How would you handle undocumented immigrants in the United States?

~ I would let them stay, and consider sending the bill, for any expenses, to the home country.

I only care about criminal elements being deported. If government assistance is needed past the first year, I would consider that a drain on resources and send them back. And to clarify this is only in regards to non-citizens who chose the illegal path in.
This issue has been happening for over 25 years, underbidding construction jobs, filling chicken plants, its not the immigrants fault it is clearly our policy.
No hate here but our collective safety is important and we must vet all immigrants from all countries and keep the numbers limited to what we can sustain.

I’d let all those people stay unless there is some compelling reason why they are problematic. They sound to me like they’re probably just earnestly trying to be Americans, and probably not causing any meaningful problems.

Deportation is not generally the answer. Close the border, provide an amnesty period where businesses can self-report illegals they are using for labor, and provide a path to citizenship for those who are working and their families. After the amnesty period make the consequences for hiring illegal workers so profound, that they wouldn’t dare. Seasonal work and temporary work visas should be easy to get. The remaining illegals should be dealt with on a case-case basis. Continue to keep the border closed but make the front door entry more streamlined so those wishing to immigrate legally can do so more realistically.

The oned that came seeking asylum in the past 4 years are supposedly, 90% not eligible for asylum. I’d send them back. They got Medicaid, they got shelter, in NYC they got restaurant food and cash cards, and WIC. I feel like send them back. If they want to appeal, apoeal from their home country. No need to stay here and continue with the Medicaid and all that, while filing appeal after appeal.

Asylum was and i believe still is for people fleeing persecution from the government, (a very specific and narrow criteria), not people who are seeking a better life.

1. Give all undocumented immigrants a chance to reveal themselves.

2. Since they were all supposed to have been given a date for an asylum hearing see if they checked in as required and if they went to their hearing. If all is good, move to number 3. If they haven’t checked in as required, deport. If they didn’t get an asylum hearing assigned, deport.

3. Do a thorough check on all the rest. Verify they are who they say they are. Verify they have no criminal past in their home country. Verify they have committed no crimes while being in the US. Any criminals past or present get deported.

4. If the person is from a nation that is hostile towards us (and we could establish which ones those are), round them up into internment camps until we can verify why they are in the country.

5. If we are to this point and the person is still here, then possibly start down the path of the same requirements of getting a Visa to legally immigrate. This generally involves a citizen sponsor or a business to sponsor them, filling out all the appropriate paperwork. One addition I would put is that they must be crime free for at least the next 5 years. Any criminal behavior and they are automatically deported.

6. For those with young children that were born in this country: if they need to be deported, deport them as a family. The child will have dual citizenship in our eyes and they can come back later in life as a citizen. We could give them documentation to that effect. I would say we get DNA sample of all children so when someone shows up later on, we can verify they are, indeed, the child that has grown up.

I agree with Trump: all those who who eat dogs or cats should be deported.

What you might see is a mass exodus of illegal immigrants before any policy gets enacted. The reasoning is simple: if they get deported, trying to re-enter legally is far more difficult. If they leave without being deported, they can conceivably come back in through legal channels later.

It’s not up to me to handle, just like it wasn’t up to anyone when colonizers landed.

Immigrants can move about the planet freely just like colonizers could. Liars, cheaters, and stealers, don’t get the right to be mad at other liars, cheaters, and stealers.

@Blackberry Let’s say we go with that plan. I actually wish borders could be wide open, but I don’t think it is realistic in modern society, but let’s say the US abides by what you said, should tax payer money be feeding and housing the people who wander over here?

perspective

Step 1: Stop fucking around in the countries to our south. That means stop supplying them with weapons from gun shows, supporting coups, exporting gangs, using the world bank to get these developing nations to help enrich our companies and not pass on the wealth from those resources to the people there.

Do these things and there is no Step 2. You’ll have to put guards on the border to keep US citizens from illegally leaving the US.

@JLeslie There is no real solution for many of the reasons stated already.

Humans have will and determination, especially if they have kids. People will get through.

We already have the cages, we already had corrupt doctors performing hysterectomies on women without their consent….what else can we do? If it involves an American being a better person, it’s simply not gonna happen.

They have been filing appeals and getting to stay here while their appeal is being seen. I think they should return to their home country and wait for the appeal process while there, since appeals can take years.

Right now, there is a 10 year wait for the asylum applications to be handled. The news said 90% of the asylum applications are not eligible for asylum.

From a law enforcement perspective, it won’t be possible.
It takes a LOT of resources to track down, process, and transport an illegal back to their country of origin. IF that country accepts deportees…

I watched an interview with one of the big wigs at I.C.E. who was talking about the cost.
He wanted to do it, and was very pro-Trump, but admitted it wouldn’t be possible.
He mentioned that they had hypothesized that if America focused primarily on deportations, we could aim for a million per year being deported. But the costs would be astronomical for man power, and there are an estimated 15–20 million illegal immigrants currently in the country.

SOOOOOO. The process will be extraordinarily expensive, and if it takes 20 years to work, I’m not sure how that it supposed to help.
It should go without saying, anyone remotely resembling a potential illegal, should expect a nazi Germany feel. They will need multiple forms of ID, I guess with them at ALL times.

People being stopped for citizenship verification, will also occasionally be found with narcotics, and/or firearms.
Which is PRECISELY why the “stop and frisk” policy, was considered racist, as it resulted in more minorities in prison.

The deportations, will have a twofold strategy there.
Stop all brown people.
If they’re illegals, deport them.
If they happen to have contraband on them, they go to prison.
Either way. Folks. You can expect to see less brown people.

Crime in Latino communities will skyrocket, as the people are already reluctant to call the police and now will probably never call. They probably won’t cooperate with police either, as any information would mean possibly losing their friends or family.

It should greatly deepen the racial division, between the white people (who deserve to be here,) and everyone else who is just “vermin.”..

As with most of Trump’s bigger plans, it will not really be possible…
Notice Trump still says the border is THE threat, but he didn’t bother pushing his wall idea again.
He STILL doesn’t know what he’s doing, and his sheep still don’t understand, or care…

Wulf. You silly goose. You’re amnesty plan, won’t help rid the country of brown people…~

I really like the idea. Seriously.

@jca2 ” I think they should return to their home country and wait for the appeal process while there, since appeals can take years.”

Do you understand that people file for Asylum because they fear for their safety in their home country? Returning them home is a death sentence for many…

He said there willl be no limit to what they spend, although it’s definitely true it’s not realistic to send them all back. They’ll start with the ones who get arrested and maybe the ones in shelters in NYC and other sanctuary cities – they’re going to be vulnerable because they’re already “captured.”

It will be interesting for sure.

@gorillapaws I do understand that. I also understand that the reasons for asylum are very limited and persecution by one’s government is one reason, but just wanting a better life, better food, more opportunities is not a reason. Regardless, it’s not up to me, it’s up to the laws and the new administration will sort it all out. I didn’t vote for them, and my father is full Hispanic from Mexico, so I can see both sides of the dilemma. I just know that NYC and now the surrounding areas, migrants have become an issue, especially with bail reform.

@MrGrimm888 As always, my goal has nothing to do with skin color. It has to do with legal immigration. And as always, I believe the law needs to be applied equally across all spectrums.

@gorillapaws “Do you understand that people file for Asylum because they fear for their safety in their home country?” I understand that if I were in fear for my life in my country, I would go to the nearest place I could be safe. When we have people from almost every country in the world pouring in across the southern border, for them to claim asylum is laughable. At one point, under Trump, Mexico was meeting the caravans coming up from Central and South America and offering those people asylum. Offering it to them. They all declined saying they didn’t need asylum and that they wanted to go to the USA.

Asylum is a specific thing. It isn’t “I want a better life” or “I don’t like what my government is doing” or “I don’t like who just got elected”. It is more like “I’m a Christian and my government has put a bounty out on all Christians”. The standard for asylum is that the first country a person that is fleeing comes to that offers a situation where their life is no longer threatened because of their religious or political beliefs or racial heritage (or whatever the specific threat to their life was) is the one that they get asylum in. If you are shopping around for whatever country can give you the most stuff, you aren’t seeking asylum.

https://www.usa.gov/asylum

Nowhere in the qualifying reasons is “seeking a better life.”

Anybody should be able to come to the US to work who wants to as long as they abide by the laws of society.

@Caravanfan Now you are describing legal immigration. There are Visas to enter the country for work. What truly baffles me is that getting a Visa, for a law abiding citizen, is easier, safer, and cheaper than traveling the thousands of miles to try sneaking into the country.

@seawulf575 Yes. Exactly. Everybody should be able to come in legally.

@Caravanfan Coming in legally and being considered legal no matter how you enter are two different things. The difference is the matter of law. I have no problem with legal immigration. That allows us to ensure the people coming in are not criminals, aren’t bringing contraband into the country, aren’t trafficking humans, etc. Legal immigration can be a great thing. That’s why so many that legally immigrated here are so upset at all the illegals that are coming in and they are not for legitimizing those entries.

But even entering legally does not mean “everybody” should be allowed in. As I mentioned there are those that we don’t want in our country for a great number of reasons.

@seawulf575 The border should be open. We should not have closed immigration.

@Caravanfan in your opinion, should migrants be given housing, restaurant food, Medicaid, at taxpayers expense? I’m not arguing, just looking for clarification.

I think someone thinks like Trump, “Can’t you shoot them below the knees” anybody that disagrees with him . . .

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/09/1097517470/trump-esper-book-defense-secretary

@gorillapaws I agree that if the countries to our south were doing better we wouldn’t have such a large influx of people. I don’t know the details of how the US might contribute to the problems in those countries, I don’t doubt we have done some things that made and make things worse either selfishly or thinking it would be good but wound up having a negative result in the end.

Doesn’t change that many of the countries south of us have their own systems that create a large underclass. Lack of education, low pay, corrupt governments, unsafe, and the US dollar is worth more than their currency. 3 months of work in the US could pay what they make in 6 months to a year in their country.

Some countries are much better than others obviously, I am not wanting to overgeneralize. Even people in countries around the world with reasonable stability and wealth want to come to the US, just not in the numbers we from Latin America, but that’s because Latin Americans can walk here. If Sudan, Kenya, Lithuania, Romania were at our border they would be coming in bigger numbers.

@jca2 Yes.

@JLeslie We did a lot of harm during the Cold War days to fight the spread of communism. Reagan’s war on drugs also caused a lot of harm. And then the exploitation of people and country with huge reserves of abundant and valuable resources who have been exploited to enrich global corporations is another major factor. An interesting read is Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. It’s not limited exclusively to Central and South America, but they were areas where we did a lot of damage.