Should Biden pardon the United Healthcare vigilante?
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First case is a state case – -Biden doesn’t have authority, he is Federal
Second it is a murder case
Third Luigi was probably paid by a German ~ ~ ~ ~
why should he be pardoned? Where is the injustice that needs to be addressed?
No, of course not. He committed the murder to make a point but it is still a murder and presumably he did it knowing full well the consequences.
I think they should try all treason, espionage, 2020 election conspiracy, 2020 election interference, and 2020 Capitol riot incitement charges against Trump, before this vigilante case (not to mention before admitting the accused to public office).
No. Because this is Earth 1 not Earth 2…or 8.
No because he has proven that he doesn’t deserve to live.
I hope not.
It’s a complex mess, of multiple variables, one of which is premeditated murder.
If the weapon was illegally altered (serial number damaged/ghost gun) there will be additional serious charges.
I have no idea about the suppressor he used, as far as it’s legality in his state, or transporting such a weapon across multiple state lines, but that will factor in as well.
Likely, they’ll throw the book at him, and see what sticks.
So far, it’s an open/shut case.
I’m not sure about the death penalty. It will depend on NY law, and whomever the judge ends up being….
I heard he suffered, from back issues…
He looked fine, to me, gliding his bike away from the murder scene…
Tragic, all around.
Possibly the start of such crimes, on the big wigs that have been screwing people…
What this highlights is that justice is really about power, and whether one is a “murderer” is also about power.
If you’ve power, you can support an ongoing slaughter like Biden is doing, or you can be responsible for the death and suffering of countless thousands like that CEO was (and others like him), and it’s all normal and legal.
When someone dispenses some justice that the system won’t, we witness pearl clutching liberals performatively moralising and expressing shock—as they tiresomely do.
I’m hoping for a very unlikely jury nullification. If I were a juror, I’d be finding him not guilty.
Of course, he stopped being apathetic and saved future lives from being taken by insurance companies.
I sincerely hope another CEO goes down.
Righteous, or not, this is NOT the type of behavior to condone, or encourage.
Luigi could have killed several bystanders, by firing at his target. Civilians, make poor assassins…
@all making comments about CEOs is not smart – - – if another CEO is killed, Google works for the cops too !
You know, it is funny.
Sure, he killed one man. So it is fine to say that he “does not deserve to live.”
On the other hand, this CEO was responsible for thousands of deaths and the suffering of even more, through deliberate denial of health care coverage. Even brought in an AI to increase denial rate. The head presiding over a corporate death panel.
Yet it is “sick” to imply that he did not deserve to live either.
To you “…it is funny”. That’s why you best seek professional mental help.
“Vigilante”? The shooter ambushed Brian Thompson shooting him from behind. Not much worse than cowardly freak and scum of the earth back-shooter.
NOTHING is funny about THAT.
What law did Brian Thompson break? If people don’t like the health insurance coverage offered by his company and they were unjustly treated then they may take LEGAL actions. Or simply seek healthcare elsewhere.
@gondwanalon
Surely you’re smart enough to know….that rich people know, the average person can’t afford a legal battle.
Legal battles last a long time, and all those lawyers have to get paid…..
@gondwanalon Surely you know that “seeking health insurance elsewhere” or taking legal actions is not as easy as it sounds. Taking legal actions can take years or months, in the meantime, the patient is in chronic pain or dying of a condition such as cancer, or awaiting critical tests to determine if they have some deadly illness. “Seek healthcare elsewhere” which I am assuming you mean seeking other health insurance, since that was the first sentence of that paragraph, usually health insurance is through an employer, and if someone were to find other health insurance, it would likely be way, way more than their reduced health insurance from work. Often, health insurance is the main reason people stay in a particular job.
It’s very flippant to say “if you don’t like it, go elsewhere.” It’s not realistic to say “go elsewhere” or “take legal action.”
And if someone were to change health insurance because something wasn’t getting approved, it might be a chore to find health insurance 1. that they could afford, and 2. that takes the doctors that the patient is currently seeing. If the new insurance doesn’t take the doctors that the patient is currently seeing, what a PITA to start up with a new doctor if someone has a chronic condition or is seeking answers to a health crisis.
Sure, and while he’s at it he should also pardon Diddy.~
Insurance premiums will now go up to help pay for the security that CEOs will need. We are so winning.
Our healthcare system is responsible for killing thousands of people.
The issue isn’t one CEO. The issue is that we don’t have a system that will keep companies accountable when capitalism trumps morals.
Killing a CEO does nothing. Insurance companies aren’t going to change the way they do business. That’s positive reinforcement for murder.
They are going to increase security for their executives. And these companies will become even more faceless than they’ve been before. They’re already removing names from their websites.
You don’t fix a machine by shooting one cog. It will just be replaced by another.
I don’t feel loli meant funny HA-HA but meant funny peculiar.
People are upset that the CEO was killed but his company and other healthcare companies by delaying and denying are killing people but people in general are not upset.
If Biden can pardon multiple people who haven’t yet been convicted of a crime, sure he should pardon the guy who shot the United Healthcare CEO!
Again @snowberry the murder was a State of New York issue, the President cannot pardon someone for a state conviction only Federal convictions. That is why Trump is is on the hook for 34 felony counts and the only thing he could do is have all the jurors, prosecutors and judge disappear, then in his mind it doesn’t count as felony. convictions
@Blackberry @jca2 You two haven’t heard of attorneys accepting a law suit on a contingency fee? If someone has a case so egregious then lawyers would be lining up to take the case at no cost upfront.
I didn’t have problems changing healthcare insurance. Sorry that other people may struggle with this.
@gondwanalon I wasn’t mentioning legal costs because of course I have heard of contingency fees. If you re-read my comment, I didn’t speak to legal costs. What I did talk about in my comment was the length of time it takes to sue someone. I have had two lawsuits where I sued someone else and both took years. Both of them the other party threw a small amount of money at me after about a year, but of course if you want what you should probably rightfully should get, you have to be patient and that takes years and perhaps can result in a trial, which takes even more time.
When I talked about switching insurance, yes, people do it all the time, but if someone was with a major issue, let’s say they just had a breast biopsy to determine if there was cancer, and then to drop insurance and go with another company, and deal with possibly switching doctors and sometimes doctors want the tests redone (which @JLeslie had spoken about on other threads) and getting documents transferred, etc. It’s not just (perhaps) changing employers and therefore changing health insurance. It’s changing health insurance with ongoing, chronic and major problems wherein lies the problem.
The family of Luigi Mangione maybe richer than Brian Thompson, the CEO gunned down in New York. They are heavily invested in healthcare and golf golf resorts.
@Tropical_Willie I just read an article about the family in the NY Times. It was about how the grandfather had to start working when he was 11 and how they rose through the ranks in Baltimore. He was a fierce defender of his family. They have their name on a lot of institutions in and around the area.
The person at McDonalds who reported the guy is not known as McSnitch. Various articles about him/her.
@MrGrimm888 “Luigi could have killed several bystanders, by firing at his target. Civilians, make poor assassins…”
– It would have been much better in that regard, if he’d used a sword or other non-thrown hand weapon, yes.
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