Is conservative opposition of all things LGBTQ +, really just aimed at homosexual men?

I’m sure every homophobe has individual reasons.

The point is that their reasons don’t matter, though.
Conservatives love the law, and the law says respect people’s lives and space.

Some are secretly gay and hiding it, which causes self hate. Some are just evil. Some are brainwashed by bad parents etc. And some just have low thinking brains. They see a penis and vagina and think “that makes sense” and cease all further thinking.

If you’re honestly looking for conservative opinions, you should ask this question somewhere with more than 3 or 4 conservatives.

Don’t forget TERFs who are mostly lesbians. They even hate trans women.

TERF- trans-exclusionary radical feminist: an advocate of radical feminism who does not believe that transgender people’s gender identities are legitimate, and who is hostile to the inclusion of trans women in the feminist movement.

^I can’t forget, what I never knew.
I make an effort, to try to be respectful and call someone whatever they wish, but I JUST got the LGBTQ + thing down.
I was just looking for a blanket term, for gender identity/sexual identity. I hope that is OK.

@cheebdragon I am asking here, because of the low volume. Not of conservatives, but responders. I am only on here a little bit, every other day. I could NEVER keep up with like a reddit thread on this or any other subject…..

We ALL talk to others. I am NOT trying to start a conservative bashing thread. I was curious, if anyone had any similar thoughts.
I KNOW there are people in/adjacent to the LGBTQ + community here. They would surely know, more than I, about issues specific to their lifestyle.

Conservatives here, don’t always respond to questions, such as this. I couldn’t think of another/better/PC way to articulate what I’m asking…

Probably. They’re the ones fantasizing.

Is using a mens room something lesbians want?
Certainly no Lesbian I know.

I couldn’t think of another/better/PC way to articulate what I’m asking…

You could start by educating yourself. The term “homosexual” is a slur. Words matter.

https://theweek.com/articles/556341/why-word-homosexual-offensive

https://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/language

Not entirely.

To some degree conservatives (and specifically religious conservatives) are anti-LGBT because gay women reduce the ability for men to dominate ALL women. Men see the lack of control over women as a threat to their own power.

So if conservative men can’t dominate all women, then who do they have power over? No one, and the feel emasculated and threatened.

In a word, NO!

Those who are most defensive are the men who secretly wonder if being with a man might be even better than being with a woman. Instead of just being ashamed, or embarassed, they deflect it into anger and insults. That’s how men tend to deal with strong emotions. Especially when it comes to sex.

Eh, It’s mostly just religious people taking offense. Bible bangers are mostly conservative yes, but, the conservatives who are not evangelical don’t generally give a shit. They’re perfectly fine letting people be who they want and are just tired of hearing about it when larger problems need attention. From their perspective, the left is trying to force them to care by keeping the volume high. They’re more annoyed than anything else.

Eh, It’s mostly just religious people taking offense.

Tell that to an LGBTQ person.

I know many men who aren’t particularly religious who are uncomfortable with gay men.
They do like the lesbians though. That idea turns them on.

^^True. Lesbian and bisexual female porn is a turn on for hetero-males.

@smudges Don’t shoot the messenger.

So you’re just passing on something you heard @Blackwater_Park?

Where do you think anti-LGTBQ attitudes come from in the U.S. @Dutchess_III? It’s mostly evangelical christians. Common knowledge.

Most men I know have an aversion to gay men.

@Dutchess_III but why, that’s the question?

No. Its very specific circumstances that seem to be the issue.

Never heard one man complain about lesbians. Theyre usually pretty great humans so no surprise there. :)

@Dutchess_III I can’t say the same, but we are from different generations.

Why @elbanditoroso.? It relates to their penis, THE most important thing about their bodies.

As we said above @KNOWITALL, lesbians are a turn on for men.

Relevant.
There are a great number of sources that claim heterosexual women, “prefer” lesbian pornography.
There was an article in “Women’s Health,” and a million reddit discussions about it.
I urge you, Dutch, to research this phenomenon. That way, it isn’t MY source…

But. Your hypothesis, Dutch, is that some men may be repulsed by gay men, but are actually fans of lesbians? And that is what you believe is the main factor?

I’m not disagreeing. I think it’s a good point.

Does the women watching lesbian pornography, perhaps also indicate the same thinking?
A LOT of women (who are typically more sympathetic/supportive of the homosexual men community,) voted for Trump, and therefore one could say “against” the rights of the LGBTQ + people…

It’s not just conservative men, that are homo-phobic. The women, seem to be as well…

To clarify, I guess I’m really speaking about the new “conservatives”/Trumpers…

To me, there is a large difference between modern conservatives, and ones from even 15 years ago….

I don’t see it. Lesbians a turn on? If a woman is attractive, she is attractive. Does not matter if she is a lesbian. That fact itself is certainly not arousing.

Women don’t think like men. For men it’s always about sex. That’s why they get so upset with gay men. There is a component of thinking about them having sex. Probably turns them on and they get angry.
Men are far more likely to watch porn. Not a particular turn on for women.

^I would disagree that to men, “it’s all about sex.”

However. I do believe that it’s the thought of biological males, having sex with other biological males, that is the biggest variable.

Part of the strategy of a religion, is to promote your religious people to make more people. More people, to give the religion more power and influence.
The Catholic church, for instance, forbids contraceptives.

As homosexual relationships, will not create more potential victims for religion (offspring,) most religions vehemently oppose such things.

And Dutch, like I said, I urge you to do your own research on women, watching lesbian pornography.

I find it interesting, that the concept that women watch lesbian pornography seems offensive to you. Perhaps, you are opposed (subconsciously) to homosexuality?
I’m NOT trying to start a fight, I promise.

I’m not trying to discuss the morality of one’s reasons for being opposed to LGBTQ + rights. I just was trying to find THE heart of their motivation.
I know most conservatives, don’t support the LGBTQ + community, and I am curious what EXACTLY gives them such strong opposition.

As I was saying, from my observations, it seems like most of their ire is directed mostly at the homosexual male aspect.

I also believe that there are some conservative leaders, who ARE a member of the LGBTQ + community. I believe that those attempting to hide their alternative sexuality, are the most vicious.
I am 100% positive that Republican senator Lindsay Graham (for example) IS a homosexual male.
Despite this fact, he is a huge supporter of making people like himself have a lower quality of life. It’s a sad, but fascinating situation, where I think people believe getting rid of LGBTQ + people, somehow stops their inner thoughts…

@Dutchess_III No, It’s not always about sex. Hell, it’s not even really true that men want it more than women do. Studies don’t support this It’s about the same. It’s just more socially acceptable for men. It’s more performative . The difference is men can love multiple women but this is not as much the case for women. Hetero men are not turned on by lesbians or the thought of gay men having sex. It’s just not a thing outside of a few that may have a little kink in that direction. I have been listening to you say spew disdain for men for over a decade now, and you can’t be more wrong. I get you don’t like men but at least attempt to dig yourself out of this hole and find some resolution to whatever has happened in your past while you’re still above ground. This is no way to live. Sorry if this sounds harsh. I wouldn’t say this if I did not give two shits about you.

I’m fine. In the immortal words of our Coloma “I’m all dicked out!”
I have no objections to homosexuality. In fact, none of it surprises me in the least. Women understand women and men understand men. All very simple.

^That we understand each other, I can certainly agree.
That we seem to struggle to understand each other, I most definitely agree.

“All dicked out.” I actually think I totally understand that. I know more than a few older women, whom I love, that are just done with the male gender.

“All dicked out.” Ha ha.
Yes. I recall…

It’s a matter, I believe, of overexposure.

It is VERY important, that we humbly understand that we are really just advanced monkeys…

That’s why some men, get into issues with other men, over certain eye contact. Most other primates, will attack a person, if they make eye contact as well…

We are not SO removed, from the animal world…
We are very much, a part of it.

Yes. We are capable of potential greatness. Unfortunately.
Humans are also still a slave to ancient instincts, hormones, and in the “animal kingdom” EVERYTHING does a lot of procreating.
Rape, as we define it, is extremely common in nature.
If you watch a squirrel long enough, ot will either rape another squirrel, or be raped by another squirrel.

I’m not saying we should be allowed to rape people.
But the act of fornication, is pursued (obviously) equally amongst the genders, regardless of what type of life form.

All the noise at noght, in the woods, swamps, mountains, jungles, etc, are mostly countless creatures calling to one another, to mate…

Pushing forward, we have also observed homosexual activity, in other animals. I recently read an article about these people filming whales mating, and were videoing it, when it became apparent that they were both males. (Hold the jokes.)..

So. I believe that there is some thing similar with most animals, where some also have an LGBTQ + kinda thing going on…

My conclusion; such things are as natural as the blue sky.

Orgasams are really great.

^Praise Jesus, Amen!

That’s what everyone is really after.

Well.
A dog, is a man’s best friend.
A diamond, is a girl’s best friend.

Pffft. Diamonds. Pffft.
Come lay my flooring @MrGrimm888. ;) ;)

I can think of so many things that are worth more than diamonds.

^^Me too.

I’d sell the diamond and buy a bunch of dark chocolate and cheese. Or some camping gear.

Like @jonsblond, I can think of many things other than diamonds I’d like to have. Like sapphires, and a bigger kitchen. ;D

That’s a cheap diamond @jonsblond!

Mmmmm. Sapphires and kitchens @Smudges!

^Shows how much I know or care about diamonds!

Give me a pontoon boat instead. :D

I have one @jonsblond!

Material Girls, living in a material world…

And a diamond isn’t materialistic?
Does any one wonder why engagement rings are so ornate compared with the actual wedding band?

^Of course it is. It’s a rock…
I just thought it was funny that some ladies didn’t want the diamond, but still listed material things instead…..

I was simply exchanging one physical item with another. If you had said something about emotions, I would have followed suit.

^I just found it funny. Nothing more. I understand.

Try this idea for size: What if Conservatives consider men to be ruling class and women to be minion class? Then:
1) woman to man transgender = a minion trying to fake her way into the royal palace. Keep her out – she can never belong.
2) man to woman transgender = a royal giving up his status (like Prince Harry). He must have some mental problem. Maybe a sexual deviant. Better keep him out of women’s restrooms, at least.
3) gay men = they always want to know which guy is ruling over the other. Who’s on top?
4) lesbians = two minions, eh. Conservatives probably annoyed that there is no man ruling over them. Although lesbians in porn = 4 boobs, which is double good.