Would you like Polio back?

Yes, please.~

Fuck Kennedy! Even his family hates him.

Killing the children and the women and the non-billionaires…gonna be lotsa extra room.

God.

I am sure the worm that crawled into his brain died, is in the part where common sense is located !

I think they Far Right / MAGA is working the numbers – - 15% death rate of the general population is almost 50 million; it would be only 50,000 of the 1 % richest !

Reminder

I wonder how much iron lungs will cost in 2025 US for-profit health care bills?

Oh, that’s right, no one gets to know how much US medical procedures cost until AFTER they’ve already had treatment.

I remember the polio epidemic of the 1950s. I was in elementary school. It was a scary time to be a kid. I was also a participant in early trials of the Salk vaccine. No, I don’t want it back.

Parents of young children must be terrified of losing protection against childhood diseases that we thought had been effectively eradicated.

This is the same right wing, anti-science denial that made COVID that much worse. Ideology (and to some degree religion) over science and life.

It doesn’t matter to Kennedy and his cronies how many people die from NOT being vaccinated; it is their ideology that is more important. And their dumb followers who are unable to think for themselves simply follow along.

Hell, let the unvaccinated die. No problem. Less mouths to feed.

I could barely read that article it was so long and not getting to details I cared about.

The idea that the polio vaccine has not been tested longitudinally is such utter nonsense. It has been on the market for many many years both the oral and the shot. The US no longer administers the oral. I was wondering as I read the article if Kennedy is trying to get the approval for the oral revoked or all polio vaccines, I didn’t see that in the article, but as I said, I had trouble reading every word.

It is unethical to take a group of kids and give them a placebo for polio, MMR, Tdap, that will never happen. If they want to record data of people who were never vaccinated they can seek out those people if they have not studied it already.

Hep B, I honestly don’t understand why that has to be given to a newborn.

Why is Kennedy’s lawyer doing this now? Kennedy is being nominated for HHS Secretary and Trump takes office in a few weeks.

The anti-vaxxers harp on testing or supposed lack thereof, and they don’t know what they are talking about. It is true that vaccines and medications can get through testing and still have big problems when released into the market, and true that there is some good ol’ boy in the approval process, but the system is still overall good and protects us.

This feels like a stunt to make the anti-vaxxers happy. Same as the dog whistles about education should be controlled and decided at the local level. It already is primarily funded and controlled at the local level. I hope it is just a stunt, I guess we will see how bad it will get.

Wait, I just read this article that says Siri filed a petition about the vaccine in 2022. Is that what the OP’s article is referring to? That is not clear in the article, unless I missed it.

I imagine it’s nonsense. If parents want to get their kids vaccinated they can.
Just like today if some stupid parent doesnt want to vaccinate they don’t have to.

Well. WHEN, not if, it starts spreading again, it’s victims will all be public displays of Trump’s 2nd term…
This will be part of Trump cult healing process. They unfortunately NEED to see their loved ones twisted/deformed and suffering…
They NEED to witness, what they’ve done, and learn from what is coming…
They will NEVER, listen to reason. Let their children slowly die in front of them.
Sorry for the kids, that don’t have Trumper parents…
Such is life.

@MrGrimm888 I imagine Trump will want his grandkids vaccinated. Trump is just the person who will let anything happen to get a vote, but I don’t think he leads, believes in, or pushes the anti-vax movement. That movement among the religious right started way before Trump. My guess is Trump never even considered arguing against vaccinations until he realized a significant part of his base questions vaccinations. Michelle Bachmann running for president was the first time I remember it being a topic brought up in a significant way at the level of candidates running for president. She harped on the HPV vaccines, which was no surprise since it caters to the abstinence stance of the religious right.

My mistake, the NYT article did mention the petition was done in 2022. This article is basically old news being dredged up. I guess it is worth the reminder, but I don’t get the sense from Kennedy that he is going to pull a bunch of vaccines off of the market.

Yes please. Making America Great Again one deadly virus at a time.

@Dutchess_III If the vaccine mandate is pulled, it likely won’t be subsidized, the parents who can’t afford it will be SOL. Their children, and the other unvaxxed children they are exposed to will be in very real peril.
It’s not just a matter of choice.

Only the rich will survive !

But they get rich off of US @Willie.

Nah, you can keep it.

Did not say they were smart @Dutchess_III . . . . Look at the Turd elect !

Heck, yes. We can’t let those toxic vaccines damage our children. I believe in unfounded nonsense rather than vetted science.

I once worked with someone who’d had polio. She’d been vaccinated, but nothing’s 100% effective. She was very disabled, walking with great difficulty and having limited use of her left arm.

She’s the only person I’ve ever met, of my generation, who’d suffered from polio. That’s because the children of my generation were vaccinated; she was a rare outlier, because the vaccine didn’t protect her.

Why would anyone even suggest that we should return to the times before the polio vaccine?

Yes. Sales of iron lungs has been flat of late and this is the kick they need…

JL. I actually don’t think Trump personally supports the conservative agenda.
But. The GOP seems to have struck a deal with the devil here.
Project 25, wasn’t authored by Trump, and although I know he supported some of it, I don’t think he cares about what the conservatives are trying to do.

The republican party, is no longer. There is only the current, whatever you want to call it.

It’s very much a symbiotic relationship, now. Trump needs the presidential power, to keep his ass out of prison.
The conservatives, get a “bad guy” to do all of the deplorable things they want.

People opposing vaccines, is not new. Correct.

However. To my knowledge, I believe that the Trump administration first weaponized the Covid vaccines, for political purposes.
It could EASILY be argued that Trump’s administration’s constant lying, and spreading false information caused MANY deaths, that probably would not have occurred, without an actor like the POTUS lying and FOX “News” repeating the lies, like broken records….

I can personally remember watching people dying on the news, saying “can I get the vaccine now?” The answer, was no. You die now, because you fell victim to the Trump cult.

That’s EXACTLY what I remember.

It goes without saying, the idiots that listened to Trump, certainly spread the virus themselves and killed even people who were doing their best not to catch it.

I personally had arguments with multiple people, who entered places I was, without the “mandated” mask.

The Covid years, were a time when Trump’s sheep were essentially spreading the virus, to others, as a DIRECT result of listening to a POTUS.
And Americans are supposed to be able to trust, that OF ALL PEOPLE the POTUS is the giving us the best advice. He was not.

Karma, ever on Trump’s heals, made sure he got Covid.
If it wasn’t for the medical staff of a sitting president, Trump may well have perished, with many of his sheep.

In America, currently, the people against vaccines are mostly conservatives. And they got that way, from taking Trump’s word as scripture…

I have said, that ANY POTUS, would have been blindsided by the pandemic. But. Trump intentionally, went against the opinions of his advisors. As some of them, may have worked for a democratic administration once…

The deregulation, that Trump has gifted corporate America, is exponentially more damaging, to me. As it WILL produce poison ground water, poison air, and cancer rates will skyrocket, whilst fertility rates shrivel.

Whether it’s a vaccine, or a bill that would have closed/secured the border, the conservatives will demonize ALL things that don’t come through Trump.

Trump being elected, did what it did last time; empower the people who are opposed to reason, and/or are already bigots, and people who want to push science down, and elevate Christianity.

Trump recently said that he is a “big believer” in the polio vaccine. I think the Democrats are wasting their time focusing on this, the polio vaccine is not going to disappear no matter how hard the fanatic extreme religious right, libertarian, antivax people try. It seems to me they cannot coerce our congressmen on that one like they do on other issues. They want their children and grandchildren to have the shot. It will be soon when no one will need that shot if we can rid the Earth of polio. Scientists, the majority of parents, the majority of clergy, the Vatican, all support the polio vaccine. The Israelis even stopped the war for the polio vaccine and the Palestinians lined up for it.

Trump has no clue what agenda is. That’s a big word.

JL the dems, seem content to do as they did last time.
Sit around and talk about EVERY single thought Trump does, and say “we got him now!”..

It AMAZES me, when I run across a Nicole Wallace, who has essentially made a living just talking to Trump haters, about Trump.
Interestingly, she and her guests, often have very logical reasons for opposing what he does, and even usually do good job of catching Don in constant lies, but it has clearly not been productive.
I’m afraid that a lot of people, will shit bricks over his every move AGAIN. Like I said, it’s not that they’re wrong, it’s that it’s ridiculous to rile people up about things that will not change.

I wish there was so.e type of rehab I could send my Mom to, that would get her off of that Wallace show.
It just gets her mad, and that’s what they’re trying to do.
I understand talking about the executive branch, as an election approaches, but what IS the point of ruminating on Trump for the next few years?..

The dems are already making the same mistakes. They should have been preparing presidential candidates, since Hillary botched a “sure thing.”
Instead, they focused on the negatives of Trump (of which there are plenty,) and clearly they hoped to run Biden AGAIN, hoping again that America wouldn’t elect Trump.

As I’ve said, Trump will fail AGAIN, to do ANYTHING except give more money to the wealthy.
Let him fail.
The dems need to be talking about how they just FUCKED the country, by not bothering to develop a SINGLE alternative to Biden during his term…..

We Dems were certain he’d be outed by his ignorance and wrongdoing. We were sure….

^I get it, and Trump should likely be in prison. But, instead he’s actually been given far more power this time.

@MrGrimm888 For now, my husband followed my advice and finally stopped recording Wallace, Maddow, O’Donnell, he is finally on a politics diet, practically starvation. His mood is better. I told him to at least take a break until Trump is actually president.

You’re right about the obsession to hate everything he says. It’s counterproductive in my opinion. Especially, when it is taking something really out of context.

@Dutchess_III Trump voters wanted someone like them. Ignorant and unfeeling.

Yes @elbanditoroso. Some folks related to Obama.
Trumpers want to say they can relate (understand) someone as impotent as a pwesident TOO!

I saw Trump on the news today saying not to worry, the polio vaccine isn’t going anywhere. They also asked RFK and he said he supports it (as I’m sure he’s learning if Trump likes something, he better like it as well).

Trump described himself as a “big believer” in the polio vaccine, telling reporters that Americans won’t lose it amid concerns his pick to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., could seek to revoke its approval.

“You’re not going to lose the polio vaccine. It’s not going to happen,” Trump told reporters.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/16/politics/trump-polio-vaccine-key-lines-news-conference/index.html

He lied again because he’s repeating what somebody told him to say.

Wise words JL, at least wait until something actually happens…..
My mother, is no spring chicken, I would hate for her to spend her last years watching that stuff a few hours a day.
But…I have NO control over what she watches.
I’m not trying to censor life, but I wish she’d find something different to do.
I was talking to her today about it, and saying that if he’d lost, she would be watching his inevitable trials and every hour of people talking about it.

I’ve watched the Nicole Wallace show, a few times with my mother. I agree, with Wallace and her guests occasionally, but IMO they just draw out the most recent perceived affront and even now they are just taking about the same shit.
I don’t remotely agree that the left-wing media manufacturers things, or spreads false information. But they have attracted a lot people who are understandably upset, which are now addicted to watching this and letting it encompass them.

Like I said, they are talking about actual issues, but they just beat the shit out of dead horses for hours, and NOW I am asking people “are you going to glue yourself to the media reporting on his EVERY move?”
That’s ridiculous, and to me, the wat these shows like talk, their intonation etc. it makes everything sound like news.
Especially, to a generation like my mother’s, whom apparently value the “TV” and the fact that something is on “TV” itself, seems to lend things some credibility…

AGAIN. The dems should be taking about who the next few candidates they are going to be developing. And they sure as Hell, better know ALL the dirt on these candidates.
It’s insane how much dirt surfaces, and how quickly, on these candidates.

It’s hard to understand it, but Trump will (for whatever reason) NEVER have to be held accountable for the worsr dirt can get. It’s a phenomenon, for sure. But Trump has a cheat code.
The ONLY rational thing to focus on, is 2028, and I firmly believe that the more we struggle, the more Trump’s sheep will like it…
They are a cowardly, spiteful, lot, in the GOP. People are brainwashed, and we should be talking about how we’re supposed to coexist with the potential changes we’ve heard of. As there cannot be violence.
The democratic process, that we all uphold (even me, and I don’t vote,) seems to have functioned properly.
America elected, Donald J. Trump.
I’ve already been holding my ankles. In January, the only difference really is, it’ll be another man inside me (instead of Biden.)..

@MrGrimm888 Someone who fears Trump is the next Hitler is watching for signs to know when to get out BEFORE it’s too late. Especially, if they are a targeted group. They want to make their escape before something major happens. The Jews who left Europe early lived, the majority of the others were murdered.

Someone who thinks Trump will screw up the country, but it will eventually get back on track after some hard times is something else.

^Oh there are plenty, of legitimate fears…

Personally, I am trying to wait until my fears are realized, before letting it effect my head.

It would make more sense, to talk about dying every day.
That’s at least something, we know will happen and unquestionably be a negative experience.

That’s how the conservatives used to act about Obama. Every single thing he did, and mostly things he never did, were constantly being cried over by the right.

As I was working part-time at a gun counter (because I was the kayak/canoe expert) at a big box sporting goods store and had to hear EVERY DAY, from people that Obama was destroying America and was planning on taking their guns, and putting them into massive camps…

@MrGrimm888 I lived in a red area during the Obama 8 years. I knew people very fearful he was a Muslim. Democrats kept saying it was code for Black, and I was like, “No, they talk about both, they are worried and don’t like both that he is a Muslim and that he is Black.” They said Obama was a socialist who would not leave after 8 years. Luckily, most Republicans who were friends of mine, and not just people I knew, didn’t obsess about Obama, thank goodness.

I’m fine with dems obsessing over whom the next Democratic presidential candidates will be…

^^Do they obsess about that? I haven’t been listening too much to politics. Who are they talking about?

Not obsessing. More moping. Like how they could have fooled themselves into thinking that Kamala had a real shot.

With any luck, the democrats will spend the next year realigning away from AOC and Bernie and the ‘squad’, and start identifying centrist democrats, not extreme lefties.

The question is: does the Dem party have the insight and ability to be self-critical?

^Well. There doesn’t appear to have been any introspective effort, from the dems, in awhile.

Obama wasn’t really a product of their’s either, he shot out of Chicago and was destined for greatness. To this day, if he speaks, it’s difficult not to listen.

I mean, they lost to GWB, after his dumpster fire first term…

I’m not sure, they know how to develop a candidate.
I just know that right now, their talking heads, are not talking about how to move forward as often as continuing to react to Trump’s every move.

To he fair, Trump ISN’T the POTUS yet…
One thing that everyone should be critical of, is his meddling in current international affairs as if he were.

But. It’s about to be Trump. And I am afraid, for people like my mother, who see a point in discussing the intricacies of Trump’s repeated issues, if nothing is going to happen to him…

GWB was elected to a second term.

^Yes. I said “they,” but I could have said “the dems.”..
They lost to GWB….

@elbanditoroso I don’t hear people in my circles or the little I’ve been watching television moping about they were foolish to think Harris could win. They say things like, “she was very qualified,” and, “she did great considering she only had a few months to campaign.”

I do hear Democrats FINALLY realizing they don’t have the Latin American vote in the bag, which I have been preaching for years that the Dems are screwing that up and for some reason not realizing how large the number is. I hear Dems now talking about the Latin American vote, but not how they are going to address the Latin American community differently to try and capture some more votes from them. I don’t have a lot of confidence.

Talking a little about the Black male vote, and sometimes dismissing those Trump voters as misogynistic.

I hope they move more moderate, and I hope they take an objective look at some of the issues Republicans and Independents dwelled on.

I think the Jewish vote probably helped Trump in Pennsylvania, although I think the Catholic blue collar vote in Pennsylvania is probably even more important. The Jewish vote is so small, but every vote counts. I think it helped Bush both terms and even Trump this second term. I think it helped Trump in NY and FL, but those states didn’t have a close vote.

@JLeslie Hispanics here tell me they were upset about the Dems border policy and how, in this area, migrants were given all kinds of things that the Hispanics and their families that are not in the current migrant group weren’t given when they came, things like free shelter in hotels, free restaurant food, Medicaid. They feel like they worked for everything and got very little for free, and it pisses them off that migrants now are streaming over and getting handed things right and left.

@jca2 Either there are no Latin Americans strategizing for the Democrats; or, the ones who are high in the party are so wealthy or so removed from the experience of recent immigrants they are clueless. 20 years ago we were already saying Cubans have no idea what it is like to want to come to the US and worry about papers, because they came in under automatic asylum. People from other Latin American countries took issue with it. I think “white” America had no idea.

The media seemed clueless also. Maybe because a lot of people in the media are older white people or very young Latin Americans, and the very young are disconnected from what their grandparents and great grandparents went through. I don’t know, I’m just guessing as to why.

Or, maybe like Sunny on The View, who happens to be Puerto Rican, they are so entrenched in being against Trump they can’t listen to anyone who says anything negative about the Democrats.

Biden/Harris were the centrist candidates. You can not get more centrist than former prosecutor.

@ragingloli That was not the perception, and the Republicans dug up clips going back of her siding with the “left” policies. Some of which she has changed her mind, either because she is playing to a national audience now and not California, or because she has genuinely changed her mind.

She was talking about $25K for first time home buyers. That is not centrist unless you explain how the financials will work to recoup the money.

Previously, she was against fracking.

The whole trans surgery for inmates.

The Democrats didn’t do a good job countering any of it, and she certainly didn’t either, especially not initially. She was terrible in interviews.

It just depends what individual voters were focused on.