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RedDeerGuy1's avatar

Will the Democrats protest Jan 6th like , 4 years ago with the Republicans ?

Asked by RedDeerGuy1 (25088points) 1 month ago

Or will January 6th 2025, be peaceful?

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elbanditoroso's avatar

Dems won’t make a big deal of January 6, because they are true Americans, and not malcontent whiners like the Trump idiots.

Dutchess_III's avatar

There will be MEMEs!

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

Democrats are not egged on by malevolent leaders, feeding them lies about election fraud and “illegals” voting. Big D” Democrats support small “d” democracy. Republicans want a dictator and attempted to violently overpower the will of the voters.

Jeruba's avatar

No, of course not.

JLeslie's avatar

Nope. There might be some protestors outside of the Capitol, but they aren’t going to storm the Capitol. I have no idea if anyone or any organization has asked for a permit to protest?

Dutchess_III's avatar

I’m sure there are always protestors outside the capitol building and the White House.

jonsblond's avatar

Yes! We ride at dawn.~

Dutchess_III's avatar

Not dawn. Too cold. Dawn…next July, k?

jonsblond's avatar

Ugh no, then it’s too hot and humid.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Gimme gimme any day! So easy to cool off. So hard to warm up.
Well, ok. March? March in March! (Laughing hysterically…)

MrGrimm888's avatar

As “passionate,” as some are about Trump, it’s certainly possible that a small number of people will show up. But there won’t be people climbing trees with AR-15s, or video recording themselves commit federal crimes…

I HAVE heard a LOT of conservatives talking about a “Purge.”..
This speaks volumes about the difference between the two party’s supporters.
The conservatives didn’t get their Civil War they apparently wanted, but they still want to hurt and kill people….

I CAN’T WAIT, until all the massive failures from Trump.
If his followers have a brain at all, it will be them again, protesting a man who used them…
He’s dying to pass that tax bill, so he can give their money to the wealthy elite.
If/when Trump destroys the ACA, his poor sheep will be in too much trouble to protest anymore. They’ll be begging for socialist policies….

It’s crystal clear, from his nominee picks, he’s not taking it seriously this time either… So there will be much, to protest.
Again. It takes a special kind of idiot, to fight in the place of a conman billionaire, and most people center to left, are educated and therefore not as gullible…

IF Trump’s fascist tactics become to tiresome, expect ANITFA to rise again, as it will be needed. That won’t be a protest, or peaceful. But it helped save Italy, and it will function the same if need be here…

MrGrimm888's avatar

Wulf. Expect Trump to be protested at his every foreign visit, just like last time. They’ll bring out the inflatable Baby Trump, and the whole nine.

He will be openly mocked, everywhere, as always, and he will greatly aid the careers of those who make money as his detractors. Seth Meyers, Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, John Oliver, Stephen Colbert, even Bill Maher, will make millions off of the old fool. And he’s just going to get older, and more demented…Thousands more will make more millions exposing Trump voters in interviews, about his every failure. Of which there WILL be many…

seawulf575's avatar

@MrGrimm888 Nice deflect. The question was whether DEMOCRATS would protest…not whether people in other countries would protest or whether no-talent hacks would ridicule him for money. But you might want to think about that last one. There are a lot of those that have made their careers out of touting the Democrat’s line that are finding themselves losing ratings and basically being ignored. Look at MSNBC and CNN as two prime examples. Look at all the celebrities that were campaigning for Kamala (yes, she had to pay them) that were ignored. The American people are waking up to the scam that has been run and they are not playing those games anymore.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Cmon @seawulf575. Come on.
WHAT is the allure of the fat, orange, greedy, intellectually challanged slob for you?
Maybe you can help the rest of us understand the unfathomable.

JLeslie's avatar

The thing is January 6th became a riot and a siege on the Capitol, not a simple protest.

seawulf575's avatar

@Dutchess_III You have it entirely backwards. It isn’t any allure to Trump at all. The question was about whether the Dems would protest to stop Trump and as soon as I pointed out that the protesting has already started, out comes the slams about Trump. THE QUESTION ISN’T ABOUT TRUMP. Deflecting to all sorts of fear mongering and speculation about what foreign players may or may not do is not answering the question.

And now you want to question me about why I’m not spewing stuff about Trump. Let me turn it around on you. Why is it that you can’t say bad stuff about the Dems even when it is obvious stuff? Someone deflects with slams about Trump and suddenly you are jumping to make the question about that. Why is that? Maybe you can help me understand the unfathomable.

jca2's avatar

@Dutchess_III I didn’t vote for Trump but the majority of voters did, in both the Electoral and the Popular vote, so you can’t say over half the voters are stupid. Some are stupid of course, but there are stupid people in all parties.

I know what Trump lovers tell me is appealing to them. They like his tough stance on immigration, and they like that he is “unfiltered” in what he says, even though to us it may sound uneducated and goofy a lot of the time. They also liked his comments about “are you better off now than you were four years ago” and to a lot of people, in both parties, the answer is no, we are not better off now than we were four years ago. Some people say if we had another President, we wouldn’t have world wars going on now. Even though we realize that our financial situation was partly due to coming out of the pandemic, and supply chain issues, and all that, to a lot of people, if it were a black and white issue, the answer is no, we’re worse off, with higher inflation and sky high rents.

@JLeslie The Trump lovers will tell you the videos were altered and Jan 6th was a walk in the park, just a tour of the Capitol, nothing to see here, folks. Not all Trump lovers will say that. I have people in my family that voted for him but they will tell you that January 6th was awful and it should have never happened, so not all Trump lovers feel the same way on every issue.

seawulf575's avatar

@JLeslie I’m pretty sure there is a lot more to 1/6/21 that we are being told. There were FAR more undercover players in the crowd than we were originally being told. Trump asked if they needed the National Guard to be on hand days before J6 and Pelosi ignored him. Later she lied about publicly that as well (though in a hot mic moment stated that she screwed up). Liz Cheney had all sorts of ethical violations by working with Cassidy Hutchinson directly (not through her attorney). The original J6 committee withheld, encrypted, and even destroyed a lot of evidence prior to turning the control of the committee over to the Republicans following the 2022 election. Lots and lots of weirdness going on behind the scenes that may have resulted in the rioting that happened.

seawulf575's avatar

@jca2 “so you can’t say over half the voters are stupid. Some are stupid of course, but there are stupid people in all parties.” Isn’t that what Joe and Kamala both ran on for this election? That all Trump supporters were stupid? Evil? Hateful?

jca2's avatar

@seawulf575 I know that a lot of voters on both sides (in both parties) really felt and still feel that if the other side wins (won), democracy as we know it would end and it would be a terrible thing for the country and the world. Republicans felt like if Kamala won, it would be a disaster and Democrats felt like if Trump won, it would be a disaster. Lots of anxiety on both sides.

JLeslie's avatar

@seawulf575 Find whatever weirdness you want, it doesn’t change that hundreds of QAnon/Trumpers/White Supremacist stormed the Capitol, threatened people’s lives, including our Congressmen, and vandalized the Capitol, and assaulted officers. It also doesn’t change the some ignorant protestors followed those people in while witnessing the violence.

seawulf575's avatar

@jca2 I agree with that. But that was a major talking point for Joe and Kamala. So yeah, apparently they CAN say that. Hell, for that matter it was Hillary that categorized half the population as belonging in the “Basket of Deplorables”.

Personally I’d love to see a campaign where name calling was not a thing. I’d love to see the candidates lay out their vision and back it up with facts. Sadly, the world has moved on from that.

jca2's avatar

@JLeslie Add to that, that they used axes to access the building, breaking glass, chopping wood, terrible. Just another tour day, though, I guess is what they like to say.

seawulf575's avatar

@JLeslie I’m not condoning that violence of the day. But I suspect there was more to it than just random people calling for the charge forward. That is why the right was so hot on Ray Epps. He was calling for an attack on the capital the day before and then the day of, whispered something into one guy’s ear and then that guy instigated an attack on the barriers. He was on the FBI’s most wanted list for J6 people for a few days and then, mysteriously, came off the list. He was not arrested, he was not brought in for questioning, he just was pulled off the list. Obvious video evidence of him being a shit-disturber that day and yet…he was never brought in for questioning. Yet people that were ushered in by the police were later brought up on charges of trespassing. He was inside the capitol as well, yet was not charged. Why?

My point is that there is a lot more to the story. There are some obvious things that you can charge people with…attacking cops, breaking windows, etc…but there are a lot more things that all point to more going on that doesn’t fit the narrative of wild Trump supporters going crazy.

Dutchess_III's avatar

@seawulf….it’s ALL about trump

Tropical_Willie's avatar

THIS WAS ON A FRIEND’S PAGE:

An anguished question from a Trump supporter: ‘Why do liberals think Trump supporters are stupid?’

THE SERIOUS ANSWER: Here’s what the majority of anti-Trump voters honestly feel about Trump supporters en masse:
That when you saw a man who had owned a fraudulent University, intent on scamming poor people, you thought “Fine.” (https://www.usatoday.com/.../trump-university.../502387002/)
That when you saw a man who had made it his business practice to stiff his creditors, you said, “Okay.” (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-hotel-paid-millions…)
That when you heard him proudly brag about his own history of sexual abuse, you said, “No problem.” (https://abcnews.go.com/.../list-trumps-accusers.../story…)
That when he made up stories about seeing Muslim-Americans in the thousands cheering the destruction of the World Trade Center, you said, “Not an issue.” (https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../donald-trumps.../)
That when you saw him brag that he could shoot a man on Fifth Avenue and you wouldn’t care, you exclaimed, “He sure knows me.” (https://www.usatoday.com/.../president-donald.../4073405002/)
That when you heard him relating a story of an elderly guest of his country club, an 80-year old man, who fell off a stage and hit his head, to Trump replied: “‘Oh my God, that’s disgusting,’ and I turned away. I couldn’t—you know, he was right in front of me, and I turned away. I didn’t want to touch him. He was bleeding all over the place. And I felt terrible, because it was a beautiful white marble floor, and now it had changed color. Became very red.” You said, “That’s cool!” (https://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-howard-stern-story)
That when you saw him mock the disabled, you thought it was the funniest thing you ever saw. (https://www.nbcnews.com/.../donald-trump-criticized-after…)
That when you heard him brag that he doesn’t read books, you said, “Well, who has time?” (https://www.theatlantic.com/.../americas-first.../549794/)
That when the Central Park Five were compensated as innocent men convicted of a crime they didn’t commit, and he angrily said that they should still be in prison, you said, “That makes sense.” (https://www.usatoday.com/.../what-trump-has.../1501321001/)
That when you heard him tell his supporters to beat up protesters and that he would hire attorneys, you thought, “Yes!” (https://www.latimes.com/.../la-na-trump-campaign-protests…)
That when you heard him tell one rally to confiscate a man’s coat before throwing him out into the freezing cold, you said, “What a great guy!” (https://www.independent.co.uk/.../donald-trump-orders…)
That you have watched the parade of neo-Nazis and white supremacists with whom he curries favor, while refusing to condemn outright Nazis, and you have said, “Thumbs up!” (https://www.theatlantic.com/.../why-cant-trump.../567320/)
That you hear him unable to talk to foreign dignitaries without insulting their countries and demanding that they praise his electoral win, you said, “That’s the way I want my President to be.” (https://www.huffpost.com/.../trump-insult-foreign…)
That you have watched him remove expertise from all layers of government in favor of people who make money off of eliminating protections in the industries they’re supposed to be regulating and you have said, “What a genius!” (https://www.politico.com/.../138-trump-policy-changes…)
That you have heard him continue to profit from his businesses, in part by leveraging his position as President, to the point of overcharging the Secret Service for space in the properties he owns, and you have said, “That’s smart!” (https://www.usnews.com/.../how-is-donald-trump-profiting…)
That you have heard him say that it was difficult to help Puerto Rico because it was in the middle of water and you have said, “That makes sense.” (https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../the-very-big-ocean.../)
That you have seen him start fights with every country from Canada to New Zealand while praising Russia and quote, “falling in love” with the dictator of North Korea, and you have said, “That’s statesmanship!” (https://www.cnn.com/.../donald-trump-dictators.../index.html)
That Trump separated children from their families and put them in cages, managed to lose track of 1500 kids, has opened a tent city incarceration camp in the desert in Texas – he explains that they’re just “animals” – and you say, “Well, OK then.” (https://www.nbcnews.com/.../more-5-400-children-split…)
That you have witnessed all the thousand and one other manifestations of corruption and low moral character and outright animalistic rudeness and contempt for you, the working American voter, and you still show up grinning and wearing your MAGA hats and threatening to beat up anybody who says otherwise. (https://www.americanprogress.org/.../confronting-cost.../)
What you don’t get, Trump supporters, is that our succumbing to frustration and shaking our heads, thinking of you as stupid, may very well be wrong and unhelpful, but it’s also…hear me…charitable.
Because if you’re NOT stupid, we must turn to other explanations, and most of them are less flattering.
– Adam-Troy Castro

JLeslie's avatar

@seawulf575 It wasn’t just random people, there was a certain amount of planning that went into it. Sure some random people went along who might have been unaware of the grand scheme, but planning prior to the event was proven by eye witness account and audio and video evidence.

Jaxk's avatar

The problem is, you can’t look at Jan 6 in isolation. We endured most of a year with burning, rioting, destruction and killing. All this supported generally by the democrats. Rioters burned the court house in Portland, they took control over 6 blocks in Seattle and ceded that area to the rioters, we changed the name of the street outside the White House to show support for the rioters and rioters tried to storm the White House.

Jan 6 was not an isolated case but rather a way of life that year. It’s not hard to see how this got carried away and it still isn’t justified but we need to insure that all of it never happens again. Not just Jan 6 but the entire riot mentality that over took the country.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

I like the clip you posted Wulfie, what horrible protesters, should have been pepper sprayed and hauled away, I mean no violence,no property damage, no breaching closed government buildings they’ll should get the death penalty.

seawulf575's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 The question was whether they would protest or not. They are. I might point out that J6 2021 was peaceful right up until it wasn’t.

seawulf575's avatar

@Dutchess_III Sort of the answer I expected. You cannot keep to the question if there is a chance to slam Trump. You say it is all about Trump. Why? Why can’t you talk about Dems without getting side lined by slamming Trump? That is the unfathomable.

JLeslie's avatar

@Jaxk People in the other riots were arrested, many convicted. Hundreds of federal and local cases.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Wulfie ,and Booth didn’t shoot Lincon right up my to when he did.
Your love goer’s were primed for violence right from the get go regardless how you claim they were just lost tourists.

Dutchess_III's avatar

^^^ Trump primed them. What was it he said? “Stand by!”
Not “Stand down.”
Not “Stop. Go home.”
No. He said “Stand by.”
Like he was a 4 year old playing military guy. “Stand by (and wait for my order and also my dick is bigly. The biglyest dick you have ever seen)”

Jaxk's avatar

@JLeslie; Yes some were arrested but you had people like Kamala soliciting funds for their bail and the Mayor of Seattle called it the summer of love. Nothing justifies Jan 6 and nothing justifies the riots. If you endorse and encourage some riots you will inevitably get more riots, and we did.

MrGrimm888's avatar

I’m afraid I couldn’t disagree more with calling sporadic civil unrest (not that that’s not also criminal,) the same as J6.
It WAS an isolated event, because it was planned.

Riots bad. Yes. Worse than attacking the Capitol Building in hopes of stopping the lawful transition of power, or in other words attempting a coup, and through violent means? Not remotely.

Is someone saying that the riots, “justified” J6? That takes a special kind, of crazy denial and disconnection from reality. Not that that hasn’t proven to be plentiful on the right….

The left-wingers, liberals, and really just people who oppose these repeated attempts at hostile takeovers, and super obvious corruption, were NEVER going to stoop to that level…

It’s not hard to understand, unless you’ve had your head up FOX “Newz’s” ass for years…

@Jaxk (hope you had a great new year) So Trump NEVER received funds from less than reputable people?...Stop it….

Wulf. Please re-read your posts, sir. You will notice my constant issues with your defense of the right. You are OFTEN simply giving your “interpretation” of things, and throwing things baseless on the left hoping it will stick. Any time yall do wrong, you have ZERO accountability…
And without fail, you double your illustrations of ignorance by insinuating all of these ridiculous conspiracies.

So how did J6 go?
Did you conservatives watch Harris be more of a man than Trump, by accepting defeat?..

How many people died, in the Capitol Building this time?

How many civilian protesters, showed up with AR-15s?...

How many people dedicated in the Capitol Building, while filming it?...

After ALL the reported mayhem by conservatives in NC, after the hurricane, it’s been a “year of riots.” Was there a left-wing J6, I missed?..

If you don’t condemn J6, and it’s actors, you’re a hypocrite. That goes, for everyone…

Jaxk's avatar

@MrGrimm888 – Just to clarify your point, are you calling Kamala Harris a questionable source? And yet you still advocate her for president. Personally I consider her questionable as well

Dutchess_III's avatar

@Jaxk speaking of, what is your source that said Kamala was donating money on behalf of the J6 insurgents?

MrGrimm888's avatar

@Jaxk. Just because one is fully aware of how terrible and self-serving Trump is, doesn’t mean they support Harris, or even the dems.
Whomever gave you your GA, clearly doesn’t understand that VERY basic principle either…

I didn’t vote for any of these people. Politicians, are parasites. No different, from a tape worm that just gets bigger living off of it’s host’s work…

Conservatives don’t seem to have any talking points at all, if they can’t call me a lefty…
Not surprisingly…..

seawulf575's avatar

@Dutchess_III I can help with that:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kamala-harris-backed-bail-fund-that-freed-violent-criminals-back-in-spotlight/ar-BB1qqZoK

Now it’s a matter of semantics really. Did she donate to the cause? No, apparently not. Did she use the power of her fame and giver her time to fund raise for it? Absolutely. So @Jaxk was spot on. YOU change the wording to “donating” when he used the word “soliciting”. And just to help…they don’t really mean the same thing. As a teacher, you probably knew that so I can only conclude you were trying to create a false narrative to say @Jaxk was wrong.

seawulf575's avatar

@MrGrimm888 The problem is that you are a lefty. And as such, you spout all sorts of things that are nonsensical and which can easily be shown to be just plain wrong when facts are applied. Yet in true lefty fashion, you deny facts because they disrupt your fantasy world. We bring talking points to you, complete with facts, and you still spout the same drivel. You do it in page long rants, but more words doesn’t mean more sense.

Dutchess_III's avatar

@seawulf575, the change of terms was an accident, not deliberate. It didn’t change the spirit of the comment, which was that Kamala supported getting them bailed out.
And I can’t read the whole article. Could you copy and paste it for me so I can put his comment in context?

seawulf575's avatar

@Dutchess_III The part from this article would be “The Minnesota Freedom Fund, a previously little-known organization that tax forms show raised a staggering $41 million in 2020, was notably promoted in June of that year by then-Sen. Harris, who posted on social media, “If you’re able to, chip in now to the @MNFreedomFund to help post bail for those protesting on the ground in Minnesota.”” It is supported by the link to her X account. It should be noted that the $41M was for the 2020 year only. Before that they were in the $100k – $300k per year range. It should also be noted that the MFF which she supported so adamantly went on to bail out some seriously violent people that, once released, went on to commit even more crimes.
https://nypost.com/2024/08/21/us-news/kamala-harris-bail-endorsement-helped-put-re-offenders-back-on-the-streets/

Dutchess_III's avatar

The Minnesota FreedomFund was to help post bail for those protesting in Minnesota after George Floyd’s murder at the hand of the police.
What did that have to do with J6?

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@Dutchess_III. NADA just a frignt-winger running his mouth !

Dutchess_III's avatar

Gotta love that context trip!

MrGrimm888's avatar

Wulf. As you are a victim, I forgive you for calling me a lefty.

Are you suffering abandonment, ALREADY? And can’t keep it together?
Trump was supposed to stick up for you, but he let’s Musk call you deplorable…
Oops. That was Hillary.
Sorry, Musk called you ”unrepentant racists,” and ”contemptible fools.”..
These are not my words, not those of a left-wing media site.
They ARE the words of the man who owns your corrupt loser…
Or did I plant those words, in Musk’s head?
And I suppose, I told Trump to ignore you, now that he no longer has use for you…
No sir. That’s the harsh reality, you support…

seawulf575's avatar

@Dutchess_III Don’t play dumb. You questioned @Jaxk about his comment of Kamala soliciting funds to bail out rioters. The comment was made because he pointed out the hypocrisy of being down on J6 and yet endorsing the violence of the George Floyd riots. Both were riots. That is how the tie is there. You knew that when you challenged him for a citation. I gave you that citation. Since then you have been playing dumb…as you often do. I provided you the proof so suddenly you don’t want to read the entire article so you ask for me to cut/paste which I do. You then back off with the challenge of what it has to do with J6 even though you are the one that asked for the citations. I pity your students if this is what they deal with in class.

seawulf575's avatar

@MrGrimm888 There you go again. As @Dutchess_III said: What does any of that have to do with J6? And as @Tropical_Willie said: Nada…you are a left winger running your mouth. It is what you do.

Dutchess_III's avatar

You really don’tunderstand the difference between the two @Wulf?

seawulf575's avatar

@Dutchess_III Sure I do. One broke windows and tussled with police. The other looted businesses, burned buildings down, assaulted people, and killed people. One the left thought they could pin on Trump, the other they supported. Are you gonna try playing dumb again?

Dutchess_III's avatar

LOL! Just trying to fathom your thinking @seawulf575! Not easy when your own brain is not cluttered with conspiracy theories and desperate justifications.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@Dutchess_III It is called rationalization !

“The act, process, or result of rationalizing : a way of describing, interpreting, or explaining something (such as bad behavior) that makes it seem proper, more attractive,”

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rationalization.

Example: “Hitler was just misunderstood ! !”

seawulf575's avatar

@Tropical_Willie Look in the mirror and realize the definition of Projectionism applies to the person you see there

“According to Karen R. Koenig, M.Ed, LCSW, projection refers to unconsciously taking unwanted emotions or traits you don’t like about yourself and attributing them to someone else.”

seawulf575's avatar

@Dutchess_III Thank you for playing dumb again. You don’t disappoint. It was YOU that started the whole side track of the conversation. What is your brain cluttered with that you can’t remember what you just asked?

Dutchess_III's avatar

Nice @Tropical_Willie. Do they try hard to make rational people look stupid?

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@Dutchess_III every chance they can . . . Some love Trump almost a much as Hitler ! !

Dutchess_III's avatar

That explains a lot.
It’s like trump refuses to hire anyone who is smarter than him. Which is virtually everybody.
What O what are his loyalists to do to show their support for that mentality?

MrGrimm888's avatar

Calm down Wulf.
I understand your rage, at Trump so quickly dropping you.
After all, you sold your core beliefs, for this false profit, so it will hurt.
But. Your Christian God, is very forgiving.
Perhaps he’ll forgive you for making a deal with the Devil, even if you never get your 30 pieces of silver…

I already forgive you. That’s a start.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I thought it was 20 virgins in heaven?

MrGrimm888's avatar

^I think you just get harps, in the Christian “afterlife.”..

Dutchess_III's avatar

I just play em as I read em!

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