Do US soldiers have the right to disobey an order to invade Canada?
Assuming Trump gives the command, can soldiers refuse to take part?
Can Trump deploy troops to invade Canada without a declaration of war from Congress?
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Yes. But they would get in trouble, and replaced with people who will do what they are told.
Congress approval or not, it has been shown that when given an order, people will blindly follow. Military especially.
Such a thing would have to go through Congress first. Can’t deploy without Congressional approval.
They can disobey unlawful commands.
If I’m not mistaken, if a soldier disobeys an order, it’s called insubordination and they can be court marshalled and put in jail.
Working for the government, if you disobey, it can also be called insubordination and you could be fired for that. Not that every time someone disobeys, they get charged with insubordination but they can, depending on the importance of the order or how often it occurs.
Can you imagine how the states would look to the rest of the world if it actually invaded Canada?
The states image would be tarnished beyond repair, they would go from being seen as the good guys ,to the real bad guys.
They are supposed to disobey unlawful commands.
If every single soldier refuses…what then?
Um. Bring in Russian troops…
You think 1 soldier is going to throw off the entire make believe plan?
Don’t you people ever get sick of fear mongering? No one is invading Canada.
Trump has indicated he will several times @cheebdragon. He is that stupid.
@elbanditoroso Declaration of war from Congress? I had to laugh out loud. Congress hasn’t declared war on anybody since WW2 and the US has fought in nearly constant wars in every decade.
During Trump’s first term, I listened to multiple people who were retired Generals and military officials, who were reassuring the public that if Trump wanted to say “nuke” another nation, the order would not be followed.
There was great concern at the time, as Trump was busy threatening North Korea, and others.
I know that’s different, from an actual invasion, but there isn’t going to be an invasion of Canada.
Trump doesn’t have remotely enough resources, to tackle all of his ridiculous desires.
Remember when that one guy refused orders to murder civilians in Vietnam, and targeted his gun on his comrades instead, telling them if they go after civilians, he will kill them instead?
He got vilified as a “traitor” by the whole country for decades.
The right and duty to refuse illegal orders exists on paper only.
@ragingloli I actually mostly agree with your statement, but if many commanders refuse or multiple soldiers it will be a different story.
@JLeslie
And if my grandma had wheels, she would be a bicycle.
My husband uses that expression.
Attacking Canada is very different than attacking China or Iraq for most US citizens.
There are two questions here and the answer to one will decide the answer to the other. The first is whether Trump could invade Canada (or any country for that matter) without a declaration of war and without any previous act of aggression from the other country. The answer is no. So him ordering troops into that country without the war declaration from Congress makes it an unlawful order and as such can be ignored. That being said, it is highly unlikely that a lowly soldier on the front lines is going to make that decision. The chain of command between him and the commander-in-chief would all have to agree to the order as well.
@Dutchess_III Show me the citation where Trump actually said he wanted to invade Canada. Not some left-wing nut job interpretation of something he said, but the actual words that he would use military force against Canada to get them under our control. You say he as said it several times so this should be easy.
Trump saying this means nothing. The command has to come from a commanding officer.
This isn’t happening folks.
It will not be a “war”, it will be a “special military operation”.
He does not need the “power” to do it, he just needs people to go along with it. Which is why he intends to replace everyone in those positions with loyalists.
Plus he has a corrupt supreme court in his pocket, which can just declare that he always had that power, like they did with presidential immunity, or how they declared in the inverse, that federal agencies never had the right to regulate based on expert opinions, in lieu of detailed legislation on every single issue.
“Technically”, the holocaust was illegal even under German law, but with the Nazis in control of the judiciary, they just terminated any criminal prosecution that happened to spring up.
Which is basically what just happened with all the trials the Orangutan had these past four yours, right after he won the election. Even the one where he was found guilty, now has the sentencing delayed “indefinitely”.
That is the essence and purpose of Gleischschaltung, both back then, and today.
@ragingloli I however am not going to believe or add to any fear mongering.
Did he actually say this was his intention?
That’s my first question.
My other thought is what has been said before – that he just talks shit and looks for attention. he knows how to get everyone talking. I see posts on FB where people say look at what he’s saying now, what about the economy, and all that? Let’s just see before we panic and make assumptions.
It’s another Trump distraction. This time to take attention away from the Jack Smith report in Trump’s election interference.
It’s just him making shit up to get the attention he never got from Daddy.
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