Is Trump set to get rid of the Electoral Colleges as part of his purge of DEI initiatives from government?

Not going to happen, that is how he won the last election.

Doing away with checks and balances in Government most likely to happen.

Putting a Co-President (Elon Musk) in charge of the Department of the Treasury overseeing Scott Bessent as Secretary.

The electoral college isn’t DEI. It is equal representation…the antithesis of DEI. It is avoiding mob rule. Now if the electoral college only represented men, or women, or certain races, you might have an argument.

Oh, god no. He would lose the popular vote, the electoral college does not even remotely resemble a one-person-one-vote equity.

For example, California has 54 electoral votes, representing a population of approximately 40 million, while Wyoming has 3 electoral votes representing a population of less than 600 thousand.

The math indicates that each electoral vote in Wyoming has more than 3 times the power of each electoral vote in California.

That is clearly not an equal representation circumstance.

DEI is favoring one group of people at the detriment of another. For example, a company decides it needs to hire someone for a position but is only going to look at black women because they don’t have enough of them. That is a decision that is based on DEI and which is discriminatory against men, whites, Asians, Latinos and anyone that isn’t a black woman. The same people that scream that DEI is a great thing screamed that hiring only whites or only men was racist or sexist, not realizing they are replacing one form of discrimination with another. That’s not saying that hiring only whites or men is right either. It’s just as screwed up as DEI.

It is time for the racists to put their prejudices away.

“It is time for the racists to put their prejudices away.”

How about all the PETTY Trump prejudices ? ? ?

@seawulf575 So you think that its important when a company goes to recruit someone that they do so in way that gives everyone has an equal opportunity avoiding bias based on race or sex?

^^DEI just like any noble human undertaking to pursue equality between different races…it seems…is vulnerable to imperfections.

Good intentions could be taken into extremes. Abused so to speak. Depending on which American you ask.

The electoral college, a necessary political device concocted out of good intentions does make sense…until it doesn’t.

@mazingerz88 Do not give him unwarrented credit for his dishonest arguments. He peddles basic and classic perpetrator-victim reversal arguments. Pretending that any effort taken to ensure that marginalised groups have equal opportunity is the “actual racism”.

^^Sorry.

@seawulf575 You understand that DEI doesn’t just cover minority vs white. It also covers discrimination against a persons faith, or sex or handicaps. It protects pregnant women from being discriminated against or single mothers. It helps women get into jobs that are primarily held by men and ensure there are facilities for women at a reasonable space to where the men’s facilities is. It helps make sure that the handicap person who is cable of working but may need some accommodations, be met. Now employers not wanting pregnant women, or mothers or people with handicaps can discriminate. Why? Because they don’t want to give leave or time to mothers who may have a sick kid or give paternity leave. They don’t want to pay for some things that may help a handicapped person do the job. They don’t want to pay for medical cost for women of childbearing age or pay higher premiums on insurance. They don’t want to build extra bathrooms or make a room available to a mother still breastfeeding. This is about saving corporate America Money. So be sure, that mostly what is going to be hired is mostly healthy white males.
DEI wasn’t about making unfair picks. It was about leveling the playing field where talent still had to be present.
Its also about making jobs available to the mentally handicapped or people with mental issues that can still perform the jobs they are hired for. After all. Republicans view these people as a drain on society and don’t want them living on the tax payers dime but now are okay with these people not getting jobs that they need to survive.
Do you seriously believe Corporates won’t go for the healthier options when hiring? Even with DEI it probably still happened but now there is nothing they need to worry about. Discriminatory hiring practices are hard to prove as it is.

@Lightlyseared A company should always go with the best candidate for the job. That would include education and experience. If a woman has done a job before successfully and she is going against a guy that hasn’t done the job before, in my mind the woman should get the job. I’ve hired many people in my life and have always gone with the one I felt would be able to do the job well. It has never been about sex or skin color or any other division. I have hired all sorts of division. I will say I never hired a trans person, but that is because none have ever applied. However one of my counterparts had a trans woman apply for a warehouse job. She had experience and was a good interview showing her drive to do the job. My counterpart asked me what she should do…hire her of pass on her. I told her that if the person can do the job, that is what matters. The only caveat to that I suggested is that she talk to the GM only because there might be some conflict he would need to be aware of (bathroom usage for example).

It is all about merit, not about quotas. Or it should be.

@Pandora You understand that many of those things you aren’t allowed to talk about during interviews, right? By law you can’t ask about pregnancies, health…none of that sort of stuff. But DEI doesn’t protect those people, it gives them preferential treatment. It brings on quotas. It makes companies focus more on showing how diverse they are rather than showing they have the best people in place. It is very possible the best person has a mental disability or is a pregnant woman or is black or a Hindu or whatever. But just having one of those attributes doesn’t automatically make you the best. And DEI always starts with the idea that white men have controlled the job market so they are the last ones to be considered. It doesn’t matter if they are the best qualified. So yeah, it does discriminate. It is as bad as not hiring someone because they are black. It makes preconceived ideas about people (white men are bad) and assumes that anyone else is always going to be better. If someone were to tell me they didn’t want to hire any Hispanics or blacks I’d have to say that was racist. How can it be anything else if you discriminate against another group?

@seawulf575 But right there you are assuming that hiring someone based on DEI must mean they weren’t qualified for the job. They still have to show they are qualified. It doesn’t dumb down the requirements.

@seawulf575 According to a Pompeu Fabra University study, women are 30% less likely to be selected for a job interview when compared to a man with similar qualifications and experience. This number increases to 35.9% for female applicants with children.Aug 19, 2024
Also, it doesn’t matter what is asked at an interview if their application already states they are married or they see they are at an age where they can get pregnant or they clearly see your race and have decided on those factors alone. I remember as a teen going for a job interview working in a store. No experience required and yet I had experience. By the end of the interview I was told that they will keep my info but there were no openings at the moment. Meanwhile, my white friend, who was just waiting on me was asked to apply and she had no sales experience or cashier experience and was offered the job I was applying for. She turned them down because she wasn’t looking for a job. I was furious. I even dressed up for the job interview and she was in shorts and old t-shirt. As I left the store I started to notice, that all the workers were white.
This was not the first and only place I was ever turned down because I wasn’t the right color or race.

@Pandora No, what DEI does is set standards and quotas. It doesn’t mean that the person that was hired is not the best qualified. But what it does do is automatically exclude many applicants who won’t be considered because they don’t fit the quota. So we don’t really know if the hiree was the best qualified or not.

My last job had me doing a lot of interviews and a lot of hiring. The job wasn’t mentally hard, but it was very physical. You’d think I might feel only men could do the job. You’d be wrong. I hired several women and they frequently outperformed the guys. We hired blacks, whites, Hispanics, men and women, and considered people of all ages. I got hired to do the job I was hiring for (I had gotten promoted) when I was 58. It is back-breaking work and you have to have a strong drive and a strong back. I did pass on one guy who had a good attitude and was big enough to do the job. Not because of his skin color or anything like that, but because he mentioned in the interview that he had had an accident at his last job that ended up breaking his hip, cracked vertebrae, and screwed up his shoulder and his knee. He reapplied later for a job that did not require him to be climbing in and out of trucks and doing a bunch of lifting and I hired him immediately. In fact, every job I’ve had where I was in a position of hiring I didn’t give a hoot about anything other than ability. And I’ve hired many, many good employees all across the spectrum.

I believe that is how many people approach the job market. That may not be how they look at upper executive jobs…I’ve never hired for those positions. But I’ve worked for many women in my time and even had women CEOs.

@seawulf575 Good on you for hiring people who are qualified but you are assuming everyone is like you and you would be wrong. But tell me this. Did you ever turn down a white guy who was more qualified than the minority or female?

If the white guy was more qualified? No. I go with merit. Did I turn down white guys that weren’t as qualified as a minority or female applicant? Absolutely. Because I go with merit. Policies that stress hiring quotas do nothing but cause trouble. People figure they didn’t get the best candidate, someone more qualified gets passed over because of the quota (happened to me), and the person hired always wonders if they really were the best choice for the job and they are the recipient of any animosity that might be brewing about the policy.

When you hire or fire someone, you should be able to articulate what your decision was based on. I kept notes during interviews so I could refer to them if it ever became necessary. Likewise when firing someone, there ought to be no surprises. Firing should be done only after efforts at correcting unacceptable behavior has been discussed with the employee and that person is given a chance to improve. There are exceptions, such as when violence is involved, but those are rare.

@seawulf575 Like I said you are going off what you believe. Hell, I had a former boss who wouldn’t look at applications of people younger than 25. Claiming they weren’t reliable in being on time or showing up for work. She openly did age discrimination. I looked over the applications and gave her the best qualified and some were young and she said her gut tells her the young people wouldn’t be qualified. Ended up hiring an older lady who didn’t have transportation to work and lived far. Didn’t even last a week. She missed two days because she couldn’t get a ride to work. She wasn’t even on my recommended list. She lived over 30 miles away and didn’t have a car and she didn’t drive.

I’d be glad if he got rid of it, but he can’t under DEI.

I mean he can’t justify under the DEI laws.
But he doesn’t grasp that, I’m sure.

@Pandora Is there discrimination in the world? Absolutely. I mentioned I started that job when I was 58. Age discrimination is alive and well in this country. I applied to dozens and dozens of places and never got a call back. Or if I got a call back, it wouldn’t go any where because of my age. Oh, it was never said…that would be illegal…but it was there. Unfortunately, we live in a world full of humans and we can never be rid of all foolishness.

But you don’t fight discrimination with policies that encourage discrimination. When you are hiring people, you don’t always know what you are getting. You have a resume and an interview to try to determine if a person is capable, reliable, competent, will be a good fit with your team, etc. These are all things that can be faked for the few minutes of the interview. Sometimes you have two people that are equally qualified on paper and who had decent interviews. You, as the person doing the hiring and interviews have to make a choice. Sometimes it is more of a feeling that one would be a better fit. That isn’t discriminatory unless you have something in your mind that is against a specific group of people. When that is the case we could have discrimination. But if that “something in your mind” is driven by policies that tell you to hire one group over another, is that any different? Isn’t that discrimination?

You relayed the story of the boss that had a problem with young people. He wouldn’t even give them an interview. That is discrimination. But DEI would push the same sort of thing. We can’t hire white men, so anyone we think is a white man isn’t getting an interview. The only difference between the two situations is that in the latter they are trying to justify discrimination by calling it Diversity.

@Lightlyseared It’s singular – the Electoral College. Only one.

@mazingerz88 ”^DEI just like any noble human undertaking to pursue equality between different races…it seems…is vulnerable to imperfections.

Good intentions could be taken into extremes. Abused so to speak. Depending on which American you ask.

The electoral college, a necessary political device concocted out of good intentions does make sense…until it doesn’t.”

Thank you, one of the few answers from Jellies here I can fully support.

@janbb I dont really care.