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Does the "dark enlightenment" movement explain the motivations of the actors driving current events?

Asked by ragingloli (52357points) 2 days ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment

“Central to Nick Land’s ideas is a belief in freedom’s incompatibility with democracy. Land drew inspiration from libertarians such as Peter Thiel, as indicated in his essay The Dark Enlightenment.The Dark Enlightenment has been described by journalists and commentators as alt-right and neo-fascist. A 2016 article in New York magazine notes that “Neoreaction has a number of different strains, but perhaps the most important is a form of post-libertarian futurism that, realizing that libertarians aren’t likely to win any elections, argues against democracy in favor of authoritarian forms of government.”

Andy Beckett stated that “NRx” supporters “believe in the replacement of modern nation-states, democracy and government bureaucracies by authoritarian city states, which on neoreaction blogs sound as much like idealised medieval kingdoms as they do modern enclaves such as Singapore.” The modern solution devised by Yarvin in “A Formalist Manifesto” advocates for a form of neocameralism in which small, authoritarian “gov-corps” coexist and compete with each other. He claims freedom under the system would be guaranteed by the ability to “vote with your feet”, whereby residents could leave for another gov-corp if they felt it would provide a higher quality of life, thus forcing competition. Nick Land reiterates this with the political idea “No Voice, Free Exit”:

“If gov-corp doesn’t deliver acceptable value for its taxes (sovereign rent), they can notify its customer service function, and if necessary take their custom elsewhere. Gov-corp would concentrate upon running an efficient, attractive, vital, clean, and secure country, of a kind that is able to draw customers.”

Ana Teixeira Pinto describes the political ideology of the gov-corp model as a form of classical libertarianism: “they do not want to limit the power of the state, they want to privatise it.”

According to criminal justice professor George Michael, neoreaction seeks to save its ideal of Western civilization through adoption of a monarchical, or CEO model of government to replace democracy. It also embraces “accelerationism”, by which the creation and promotion of societal crises is to hasten the adoption of the neoreactive state.

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RedDeerGuy1's avatar

There will always be a counter balance to Lawful evils. Chaotic good liberators don’t run on laws.

Caravanfan's avatar

Interesting hypothesis. Being in a factual, data driven society where best evidence driven by science takes, well, work. You have to be rigorous in thinking and know what to accept as truth and what to reject. Certainly the neo-reactionary neo-fascist movements are a reaction to that. The fuel on this fire is Christian nationalism.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

Sounds correct to me.

Also see Accelerationism

White supremacists think that society is dying because women and minorities get fair treatment. They want to destroy the system where they should be respectful towards others and they must concede basic human rights to all.

Elon Musk has idiot Trump by the ears and is turning the “burn it all down” dream into reality.

flutherother's avatar

Any attempt to make us employees of a state rather than citizens of a country must be resisted.

gondwanalon's avatar

I think that the goal of the current U.S. President is to decrease the size of the bloated Federal government and increase personal freedom. So no I don’t think that dark enlightenment and or “cameralism” has any effect on the motivations of the actors driving current events in the USA.

This definitely wasn’t covered in the one and only college political science course I took back in 1976. Got a B in it only because I learned how to BS on essay tests. HA!

gorillapaws's avatar

@gondwanalon “increase personal freedom”

Freedom for who? The freedom for billionaires to bypass voters and affect international conflicts unilaterally? These days for many Americans the freedom they have is the choice to work their 3rd job driving Uber or Lyft just to scrape by. Having a robust social safety net would free many people up to pursue an education or raise a family. Things we used to do when we had a 90% top marginal income tax rate.

gondwanalon's avatar

@gorillapaws Less government regulations + lower taxes = more personal freedom.

People who make poor choices and aren’t willing to sacrifice in order to better themselves through education or vocational training set themselves up for a life of poverty and low paying jobs.

I’m in favor of government programs that help those in need.

“Life isn’t fair. Get use to it.”
-Bill Gates

gorillapaws's avatar

@gondwanalon I would argue that wage slaves in the Gilded Age had less freedom than workers did after organized labor fought and won regulations that gave them 5-day, 40-hour work weeks,. That mandated safety practices. That banned the practice of paying workers in credits that could only be spend on goods in the company store, etc. Regulations were invented to solve those restrictions on freedom.

As for the Gates quote: “Life isn’t fair. Get use to it.”

Do you think he said that before or after he raped little girls at Epstein’s place?

gondwanalon's avatar

@gorillapaws True the past was brutal. But I’m talking about today in which there are plenty of opportunities available to those willing to work hard to better themselves.

I don’t know what crimes Bill Gates is guilty of and neither do you. Get real.

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