Is Trump actually doing something right?

He didn’t say NO – he said he hadn’t heard about it, which is a totally different answer.

Now that he is aware of Chauvin, he may very well pardon him.

Was Chauvin convicted on Minnesota crimes or Federal crimes? Trump has no power to pardon someone for a state-level crime.

@elbanditoroso Wikipedia states he got sentenced both under state and federal law separately, both around 22 years, running concurrently. So even if he pardons him for the federal sentence, he is not getting out of prison.

Thanks for finding that info, @ragingloli.

I would say it does not really count as “doing something right” to have no idea what one is being asked about.

There is an appeal in process on the federal charges and it could carry over to the state charges. The basis is ineffective legal representation. There was a memo from a doctor that said there was probable evidence that showed George Floyd didn’t die of asphyxiation or even that anything Chauvin did caused it. The appeals judge just granted a re-examination of autopsy evidence to look for the indicators.

https://www.newsweek.com/george-floyd-autopsy-derek-chauvin-appeal-2001912

If Trump were to pardon Chauvin, the state conviction would still stand, so the former cop wouldn’t be seeing the light of day until the mid-2030s. He would simply get out a little sooner.

But the message to Black America would be horrible — that if one of you gets killed, the system will protect the killer, not the victim. Same as in the century of lynching that followed the end of slavery, as if nothing has changed.

“In the appeal filed on Monday, Chauvin cites the opinion of Kansas pathologist Dr. William Schaetzel, who suggests Floyd died not due to asphyxia from Chauvin kneeling on his neck for more than 9 minutes but rather from complications related to a rare tumor known as paraganglioma, which has potential to trigger a sudden and deadly surge of adrenaline.”
Atlanta Black Star
IMO, if not for the fact that Chauvin had his knee on Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes, Mr. Floyd would not have had a “deadly surge of adrenaline and would therefore, be alive.
Edited to add: Dr. Schaetzel did not perform the autopsy.

@seawulf575 oh ffs. He killed him. I have an enlarged heart and atherosclerosis heart disease, so if someone knelt on my neck for 9 minutes, it would be my heart conditions that killed me??

Well, even if he is let off, I’m sure he’s been beaten and raped enough, plus stabbed 22 times and if he does get out, I’d bet he’ll be dead within a couple of years. But he won’t get out; if he does he still has to serve the time for state charges.

@zaku Well there is that. :\

Let me start off by saying that he is definitely guilty and he needs to serve his time. Who knows what Trump will do but I would hope that the state charges would stay in effect.

@smudges this kind of reminds me of the old poser where there are three men traveling through a desert, A, B, and C. A wants to murder B, and C wants to murder B as well. Acting independently from one another, A poisons B’s water. C puts a small hole in B’s canteen so he will run out of water and die. The question is, who ultimately is responsible for his death. And we don’t actually know how B died so you can’t say, well wait to see if he dies from poison or from dehydration.

@smudges If someone knelt on your neck for 9 minutes and you were George Floyd, it might have been the fentanyl in your system that caused your death. But you are jumping at me like I’m saying Chauvin isn’t a POS. I’m not. I merely stated there was an appeal out there that could challenge both his convictions. Like it or not, it is our legal system. The man is entitled to play it for all it’s worth.

The one thing that always kind of bothered me about this case is that it felt like the ME was told to make it a homicide so that the riots that were raging wouldn’t get worse (if that was possible). In other words, it felt like he was convicted by the mob, not the legal systems. The ME ruled it a homicide, but said there were no indications that his throat had been compressed and even though he was noted to have a pre-existing condition and fentanyl in his system, those were not really looked at. They wanted to stop the mob so Chauvin was the sacrificial lamb. Yes, kneeling on the guy for 9 minutes is excessive, but there seemed to be other things that would have killed him as well.

And it might be that mob mentality that would stop Trump from pardoning Chauvin, even if it had been brought to him.

@seawulf575 After I submitted my answer I realized that it sounded like I was saying “oh ffs” to you, but I was actually just saying it in general. It wasn’t directed at you. Sorry about that!

But…“Two, independent autopsies confirm Floyd did not die of a drug overdose. We therefore rate this claim as false.”

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/george-floyd-die-of-overdose/

@smudges I’m not saying he died of a drug overdose. But he had fentanyl in his system. That could have contributed significantly to the final outcome. That is what I’m saying. A guy with a chronic heart condition doing drugs on a regular basis is basically a ticking time bomb. Yes, Chauvin arresting him likely kicked his heart up a notch, but there are so many other players in his health that saying that alone killed him is a bit convenient when you are trying to stop riots.

That makes no sense.
I have a heart condition and someone runs up to stab me. I die from a heart attack and he stabs me

@chyna If you have a heart condition AND you do drugs regularly AND your don’t do anything to take care of yourself AND someone jumps out and scares you and you die of heart failure, did the person scaring you kill you?

That is effectively what the argument is. It doesn’t matter how bad of a condition the guy was in but getting arrested and subdued was too stressful for him.

Not to mention that the position they had him in, even without kneeling on his neck, in many many police depts has been deemed to be unacceptable and there are departmental consequences for using it.

It is always funny to see that every time a minority is murdered by a non-minority, that the usual suspects bend over backwards to dredge up any excuse to absolve the murderer from his guilt and shift the blame to the victim instead.

@seawulf575 Your logic here is invalid. It does not matter what afflictions George Floyd had. You can’t cloud the issue here because of what might have been in his body or something that is legal or not legal that her ingested.
Fact is he was a living breathing person. Chauvin kneeled on his neck for 9 minutes. Do you need to see that his throat and breathing was compromised? Look at the video. Without Chauvin’s actions, he would be alive after their encounter. Chauvin was proven in court to have caused his murder.
Do not try to cloud this with some thought of fentanyl, ketamine, cough drops, or chewing gum in his body.
It has also been proven that the kind of technique used was and is not recommended by law enforcement. MPLS Police have a history of abusive violence as well. Your logic would mean that the city is also responsible. In some ways the city is, but not to be tried for murder.
Make up your mind on your logic or illogic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO