Can Trump void Bidens pardons?
I read that he is claiming that when Biden used an auto pen that they are invalid?
Can someone fact check for us?
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It’s bunk. Digital copies will be auto penned but the original documents are not. Even if an auto pen was used it does not invalidate the document. There is no precedent to say they are invalid. If they are deemed invalid because of this it will cause chaos considering how many previous documents were signed this way. All that can be done is to make auto penned documents unofficial going forward.
As with every other illegal act he has committed so far, the following rule applies: If no one stops him, yes he can.
He will instruct his DOJ to start prosecuting. At best there will be some resignations until they find someone who starts the prosecutions (see: DOJ dropping the case against NY mayor Adams). He might even instruct his goons to start arresting them in the meantime.
When the courts rule against him, as they should, he will appeal that to his corrupt SC, while most likely also ignoring the court judgements in the meantime (which he is already doing in other court cases) and jail his enemies regardless.
If the SC rules in his favour, great, now he has legal cover. If they rule against him, he will ignore their ruling, claiming that the SC is not allowed to curtail is “legitimate executive power”.
The pardons MIGHT be voided but not because of the autopen issue. They could be challenged for legitimacy and the SCOTUS would determine if the POTUS can pardon someone that hasn’t been charged with a crime and make them free from anything they might have done wrong during a given time frame. And this makes sense. To pardon someone with a blanket forgiveness when they haven’t even been charged with a crime is pretty much the description of corruption.
If i were Hunter I’d be pissed. I’d be like how much frickin effort could it have been to sign your name with a pen, Dad?
@jca2
Stop accepting the premise of assholes.
Even if Biden had signed them with a pen, Krasnov would find another excuse to try to reverse the pardon.
I realize that @ragingloli but if it was done with a pen, it would be that much more difficult for Trump to find issue.
When the pardons were announced, a lot of people thought Biden overreacted. Now it looks like he was smart.
According to the SCOTUS while President; TRUMP can shoot anyone he wants and there will no recourse . . he can’t touch a gun because he is a felon but he has bought and paid for a trump friendly court.
Thank Moscow Mitch blocking Obama appointees
In the Whitehouse press conference it was said “we are not sure Biden intended to sign those documents” “Someone else may have signed them” In other words they have no proof of anything. It does raise concerns about auto pens though
More stuff that the Rump administration will not comment on after accusations.
Presidents have broad authority to pardon or commute the sentences of whomever they please, the Constitution doesn’t specify that pardons must be in writing and autopen signatures have been used before for substantive actions by presidents.
@Forever_Free At the time the Constitution was written, there were no autopens. But I agree with the statement that autopens have been used before. Rubber Stamps before that. That is why I doubt the autopen issue would void the pardons. The Constitution states:
“Article II, Section 2, Clause 1:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”
The POTUS has the power to grant reprieves and pardons for offences against the US. Granting blanket pardons when there aren’t even charges may be viewed as inappropriate. But again, that would take the SCOTUS to make that call.
Trump wants to FIRE (impeach) any Judge that disagrees with him. Next he’ll want to impeach any Congress member that disagrees with him . . .maybe than the Turd can appoint a replacement !
SCOTUS agreed already he can do no wrong while President.
We have a dictatorship !
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