Musk is crying because "the left" are attacking his cars. Is it only the left?
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Don’t you suppose many people on both sides are affected by what he’s doing and angry about it?
Have you heard anything about attacks on Teslas and dealerships from people on the red-baseball-cap side of things?
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I’m sure it isn’t only the left. He’s not just screwing with people on the left. He’s screwing with Republicans as well. He’s destroying a lot of jobs and protections and funds that poor people rely on and most of those are in red states. They thought voting for Trump meant destroying dems only or immigrants. They are slowly learning a vote for Trump was for their demise as well, because billionaires hate the poor and see them as a tax drain. Less programs and government jobs to them means they can pay less taxes or take that money and get larger tax breaks. Americans earning less than 200 k are valueless to them.
This is being done because of Musk’s impact on people.
I can’t wait for the day we start hearing him cry because of his actions. Sadly, people like Musk will never show that and only blame others.
15 years ago when I lived in Tennessee, most of my Republican friends made fun of electrical cars and thought the whole idea was ridiculous and wouldn’t think of buying an electric car. I did have one Republican friend who was a car mechanic who was completely open to electric cars, and loved learning about anything that was greener for the environment. One.
Gavin Newsom only helped Republicans feel electric car mandates were stupid. California having purposeful blackouts, because the grid can’t handle the electrical burden and also pushing electric cars was a set up to be criticized.
My sense is that many Republicans probably still think electric cars aren’t practical, so in turn Tesla cars aren’t something they are very on board with.
I haven’t heard of Republicans doing anything like vandalism or protesting at Tesla dealerships or doing something to Tesla cars on the street.
I’d never consider doing vandalism against Musk products or dealerships. Those attacks are very likely exclusively perpetrated by people on the left.
Some of you know that I’m conservative and Republican. I’ve always considered Musk a kind of a nut. Why? Luxury electric cars including the CyberTruck, “We’re going to Mars”, and his Tesla Bot (that will likely never be more than a joke).
Speech is illegal in the US. Boycotting is illegal in the US. The only option people have is direct action. There is absolutely nothing wrong with making the selling and owning of Tesla cars challenging, embarrassing, and risky.
As far as the “left” label – anyone left of Goebbels is called “left” in the US. Even Democrats are labeled “left”. It is not an accident, and used to move everything to the right.
I agree that the term “the left” has changed over time.
A guy probably thinks he’s a republican, but actually respects women and is ok with non-whites having leadership positions, which would make him a “leftist” so it depends on many factors.
@hat Just wow. Thanks for spelling that out. Maybe Democrats won’t be in so much denial about it. I completely disagree with the tactics, but that doesn’t really matter. Democrats can just not buy his cars. Dems were probably a majority of his customers.
Thats not the Republican MO at all.
@KNOWITALL I think Proud Boys being at BLM protests or even January 6th and creating havoc is the same type of MO. Both parties have this to deal with.
Leftists destroy objects. Right wingers assault people. That is the biggest difference, really.
I drove by a rally in front of a Tesla dealer in Westchester Cty, NY and I didn’t see any violence. Just concerned citizens who are trying to send a message to the CEO of Tesla that what he is doing is dangerous and damaging to us all.
@JLeslie Extremists aren’t generally referred to as normal Republicans. I also don’t generalize Democrats rubbing feces on Teslas as normal Democrats.
In my opinion, boycots and rallies are ok but destroying objects is not ok. I know some may feel a more radical approach is appropriate. I don’t think it’s appropriate no matter who does it.
@KNOWITALL I think most people group them all together when it comes to the other party. Meaning, if extremists are voting for Trump, they’ll get grouped in with Republicans by most Democrats, and if Green Party is voting for the Democrat they get grouped in with Democrats by Republicans, etc. In addition to all of that is one-off individuals doing extreme things.
I appreciate that you separate out the extremists.
There are a couple things that point to the left being perpetrators. The first is that it is the left that speaks in horrible language about Elon Musk these days. He is evil, he is trying to steal from you….all sorts of stuff that would gin up anger against him are coming mainly from the left. The other thing is that the left has a long history of doing whatever they want, whenever they want, if they are told it is a good cause. Trying to punish a rich guy for made up reasons would be enough for many of those on the left.
I am totally okay with protests and boycotts. I’m okay with leaving notes on Tesla cars. When it crosses the line to property damage and vandalism then the perps should be arrested and prosecuted.
And it probably is the “left” doing the damage.
I know a lot of Democrats who hate Trump and now Musk, but have owned their Tesla for years and didn’t see this union coming. They wouldn’t buy a Tesla today. Doing something to an individual’s car is completely unacceptable. Even a dealership. Who pays? Society! It will be covered by insurance, and we all pay into the society bucket.
Plus, someone can get physically hurt. This sort of thing always runs risks that people don’t anticipate. It also risks a backlash that might be counterproductive.
As for Tesla stock price tanking, he can’t blame anyone but himself. Nobody can make anybody buy a car or like a car or approve of a company.
@jca2 Elon said anyone who didnt agree with his actions he didnt want as coients so yeah, either way he has to deal with repercussions.
I find it funny that the same Climate Change radicals are now trashing electric cars and, worse yet, setting them on fire to add to their Climate Change fears.
Just today I saw a theory being passed around that Musk may be having somebody sabotage his cars for insurance money. I’m not saying I believe it, just saying what I read today from several sources.
@LifeQuestioner if they’re not selling a little arson wouldn’t be out of the question.
That would fit him very well. He already tried to defraud the Canadian government out of EV tax credits, and manipulated a T-Online poll about Germans unwillingness to buy Teslas.
Some people cry when things don’t go their way. Take your ball and go home please.
News said today (Friday) that 1.5 % of Teslas are being returned. I guess people either don’t want to be associated with them, don’t want Musk to profit from them, or don’t want the risk of owning one and having someone lash out.
Sounds like Tesla will be doing a “Fire Sale” on their own.
A Democratic friend of mine wrote on her facebook today “Teslas are owned by Democrats. Vandalizing them only hurts those fighting Trump.” She has been very outspoken about Trump since 2016, she is loyal to the antiTrump cause. One facebook friend of hers replied, “I respectfully disagree. People are waking up and understand what’s happening. Anyone who can afford a Tesla, can afford to ditch it as many liberals are. This won’t be a comfortable time in so many more serious ways. We can’t have our cake and eat it too on this one. F Elon Musk and his crappy cars. We are under reacting to Musk if anything. We have to follow the money and hit them where it hurts.”
I think her friend is ridiculous. Just get rid of their cars like it is a cheeseburger. Over time Tesla owners might choose to buy something else when they need to buy. I know my SIL will be changing to another car, I think her lease is up in a few months, maybe it happened already.
I wonder if Tesla stock will ever rebound. Musk lovers probably think yes, while Musk haters are probably hoping no.
I think the whole thing puts the left in (another) sticky spot. They want everyone to buy electric vehicles to the point that Biden put a mandate on making them. But now they are trying to keep people from buying them and are, in fact, vandalizing them. The next time they want to push the Climate Change angle, they are going to be faced with complete hypocrisy. It will be even worse if Musk decides to close Tesla forever.
@Seawulf575 keep in mind that Tesla is not the only manufacturer of electric vehicles.
@jca2 No it isn’t. But it was the first and probably the most prolific and arguably the best built. It will still impact the talking point later on.
@Tropical_Willie Yes, Smerconish was talking about leading into the Hitler years. My mistake saying pro-Hitler. Henry Ford was the Ford Motor Company back then. I don’t know how you can separate the too.
He does not run the company today . . .
The other sticky part all these protests and vandalism (and shootings at Tesla dealerships) make for the left is one of appeal. The left does this all the time. They go from zero to 60 on everything that upsets them. They don’t like Elon Musk so they jump right into vandalism and violence. Yep, nothing says “Follow Us!” like a good display of unhinged behavior.
To put it in perspective, the right got outraged that Budweiser started using a trans person to be their advertisement. Many on the right drank Bud Light and got upset by this. Do you remember them going crazy and attacking grocery stores for selling it? Do you remember them shooting at any grocery stores? Do you even remember loud protests about it? No. They just decided to move on to another brand. And Budweisers stock tanked and they still haven’t recovered. So which is more sane and rational of a response?
@Tropical_Willie So what. That was never the point. It’s about Henry Ford, he’s dead. Just like Germany is not murdering Jews systematically anymore for the Third Reich. Things change but the history stays put. Unless you don’t want to teach the history? Most Jews know about the publication and most people who aren’t Jewish don’t. That’s common with knowledge of history, the people most affected hear information from their ancestors and social circles, an oral history even if it isn’t written or taught in school. You don’t want to tell this information about Ford?
When the right got upset about Bud Light, Bud Light and the transgender influener had no affect on anyone else. When people are upset at Tesla, it’s because the CEO is threatening their Social Security (which we all put money into and deserve), and he is laying off thousands of federal wirkers, and making flippant comments. I have said that the violence is wrong, no matter who does it, but I’m just trying to explain how the people protesting Tesla and the Right wing being upset about Bud Light are two different animals.
@jca2 When Bud Light and their transgender babe came out, the right wingers didn’t make shit up about them. Look at what you just said: Elon Musk is threatening people’s Social Security. What is the basis for that claim? It makes no sense and yet it is a very popular talking point from the left. It is fearmongering which is what they are great at. As for him laying off workers, he isn’t laying anyone off. He is looking at what the groups are doing and seeing what their staffing is. But Musk isn’t laying anyone off…he doesn’t have any authority to do that.
Let’s be honest: for some bizarre reason, the left doesn’t want any federal workers fired, even though they may not do anything at all or worse, they may try to undermine our nation. I came across this little gem the other day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9D48qyzjpM
I thought that it might just be a joke (since it sort of looks like it) so then I ran a search for Edward McSweegan, the guy in the interview. I found this from Sharyl Attkinson who did that interview for CBS.
https://sharylattkisson.substack.com/p/federal-employees-at-nih-making-100k
Where is the outrage that people like this are earning great salaries and contributing nothing? Why aren’t the people raging against this instead of against someone that is trying to stop it?
When Musk makes comments like “Social Security is a ponzi scheme” it sounds like a threat to me. Maybe I’m looking at it the wrong way, but it sounds like he’s implying it’s not efficient, since he is in charge of inefficiency.
It kind of is a Ponzi scheme of sorts, that’s what I don’t like about it, that it relies on young people paying in to support older people. I think that should be evaluated and tweaked so we don’t have to increase our population to keep it afloat.
@jca2 Social Security IS a ponsi scheme. It didn’t start off that way, but Congressional “help” changed that to what it is today. For several generations now, people have been paying into it and that has only supported those that were collecting. But Congressional “help” has move many funds to help people that HAVEN’T paid into it, not to mention taking interest made on contributions to be used as a “loan” for other pet projects.
Calling it what it is doesn’t mean you just do away with it. It means you find out why it is a ponsi scheme and deal with it. But the left would rather fearmonger telling everyone that “Musk is going to take your Social Security!!!” That requires no proof, no logic, no actual facts…just fear mongering. And it leads to things like this:
https://www.fox13seattle.com/news/caught-video-driver-cuts-off-harasses-tesla-owner-lynnwood
Do you support that sort of radical behavior? Hey, you are calling it a protest against Musk, but it is really out of control idiots. Same with keying Teslas. Same with setting fire to Teslas. Same with all these attacks that boil down to being domestic terrorism. The poor girl in that report was just trying to get to a doctor’s appointment. What she learned on the way is that the left is so unhinged that they will literally attack her for driving a Tesla.
Think about that while you are supporting the radical side of this.
I think it is legitimate to protest outside of Tesla dealerships. I don’t think destroying inventory or attacking individual owners is morally defensible. But let’s just call it breaking the law. Calling it domestic terrorism, like that that was perpetuated on January 6, is another category IMHO.
I have stated more than once on this thread that destroying objects is not ok, no matter who does it.
@janbb No protesters on J6 had guns. There are documented cases of “protesters” shooting at Tesla dealerships. And I just gave you a case of a fool that cut off a woman in a Tesla just so he could get out and yell at her. What if he had been armed too? You’re right, there is no comparison between the two. One “protest” is far more violent than the other.
Someone is into dictators. . . .
Any lame excuse to support them . . .I’m a thinking you need a couple of a million dollars set aside if you are in your sixty’s would be ideal.
What’s good for the goose-stepper, is good for the gander.
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