Does any one else feel like all the anti-gay propositions passing came out of left field?

I’m shocked.

And deeply saddened.

I don’t understand why you are shocked, all of the pre-election polling showed these propositions would pass.

I’m shocked at the people. Not the result. Or did you mean Monsoon?

There’s a lot of bigotry in the world. I don’t know about the other states, but at least in California, the Prop 8 folks ran a very slick, well-funded campaign. So I’m not surprised. Just angry and very very sad.

I’m upset, but hopeful that once we have a good looking Supreme Court, we’ll take them all the way and get that fixed.

And there is a very clear route for challenging it already established. We’re definitely just waiting for the right Court.

See here.

C’mon, its staring you right in the face. Everything is the gays’ fault. The economy, check. By always dressing so well, they make everyone pay more for clothes, thus bankrupting the whole economy. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, check. Who’s more warmongering than the gays? And last but not least, marriage? Why can’t they just stick to anonymous bathroom sex? Don’t they know that marriage is only for God-fearing, law abiding citizens who vow to be monogamous? Sheesh!

It’s not over and I think even bringing it to California were very ill-advised. First of all the California Supreme Court found the prior proposition was unconstitutional thus making same sex marriage constitutional. Eventually state by state it would have been made legal, but it may have taken generations. Remember mixed race marriages were illegal in a couple of states until 1969, 100 years after the 14th amendment.

What will happen now is Prop 8 will have legal challenges eventually reaching to the Federal Supreme Court at which time it will be overturned and in one fell swoop within the next 5 years gay marriage will be the law in ALL states. The only thing that can overturn a Supreme Court decision is a constitutional amendment, but that will be a nonstarter because by then anti gay bigots will be a minority, like racial bigots.

@ shilolo, don’t forget how gays caused hurricane Katrina by not controlling their weather altering superpowers of… gayness.

I expected it in Florida and Arizona, buth rather reactionary states. I was disappointed in California. According to what I read, it is because opposition to the amendment there was not well-organized, and the people pushing it were very organized.

@Marina – actually it was a demographic issue rather than an organizational one. California, Florida, and Arizona have large Hispanic populations. Hispanics are typically Catholic and obviously the Pope isn’t supportive of gay marriage. So the demographic sword cut both ways this election, Hispanics voted overwhelmingly for Obama but voted against gay marriage in large numbers.

America:
+10 for getting rid of a tyrant
+10 for choosing hope over fear
-1000 for legislating intolerance, bigotry, and discrimination in the 21st century

I don’t think I want to get married till they can have the right to as well. This makes me sad.

@reed Thanks, that makes sense. Saddens me, but makes sense.

The advertisements were total lies and aimed at scaring parents. They claimed that our school system has a stake in teaching sexual matters to small children. A similar tactic to the claim that Obama wanted to teach sex to 5 yo. Not merely a lie but a DAMN lie. It was such a lie that that the No on 8 campaign received 20 million in contributions in the last 3 weeks. The counter commercial was all of the state’s major politicians, Rep and Dem, the Rep Sup of education and teachers saying those claims were untrue. However fear defeated reason by less than 5%

Oh, and by the way, if you are gay or lesbian and are looking for somewhere that supports same-sex marriage, come to Canada! We’d love to have you and same-sex marriage has been legal nationwide since 2005. We don’t have Barack Obama yet, but we might try to convince him to move here too after his 8 years are up down there. ;)

You can thank the Mormans for the results of prop 8. They put lots of $$ behind it.
I think that if a church is going to put that much money up to back a proposition, they ought to have their tax exempt status taken away.

I don’t think we need to go into Mormonism and their historical and current views on marriage and alternative lifestyles, do we? LOL

Arkansas’ initiative actually prohibits any unmarried couple from keeping foster children. No mention of sexuality in it. (btw, I voted against it. Told you I’m just conservative, not republican. )

No, I think it came out of RIGHT field. ha ha.

Yes, with at least 2 new Obama-appointed Supreme Court justices,
discriminating definitions will be overturned and the new rule will stick.

Slow, ain’t it?

I mentioned this in another thread.

I can’t believe that there are people out there who look at the problems in the world and say “homeless, hungry, healthcare, illiterate children, drugs, two loving people of the same sex who want to make a life long commitment in marriage” and then decide the best thing they can donate their time and money to is the last point and actually go out of their way to do it.

@Bri. Its a slippery slope. Next thing you know, they’ll want to (gasp) raise children (many of whom are adopted). We can’t have loving, committed people doing that… Hell no! We need more Britney Spears in the world. She’s straight, so she’s OK…

heheh.

Lurve

God bless Arkansas, the poor ignorant b@#$t@#$ds. They must be the only state that has a shortage of foster children. Most of the rest of the country has to warehouse neglected and abused children because we can’t find enough people with the time and energy to foster.

@galileogirl – I don’ t follow

Arkansas passed a law that single (ie gay) parents cannot adopt.

Hey galileo…there are lots of single hetero people too.

@galileogirl – ah. Nice. well, at least there is still the brother/sister loophole

Yeah holler but they were smart enough not to make it anti-gay because then it would be overturned, So they just made it single. While most single straights are not nacessarily interested in adoption, there will be a few who might and be excluded. The majority of single adoptors are not straight.

It’s more devious than a lot of people might realize. This is going to sound kind of strange, but one of the quickie ways to put a lot of legal rights into a relationship when marriage isn’t an option is adoption. For a while it was somewhat popular in the gay community to adopt your partner. It might still be. This puts an end to that as well.

NO SINGLE STRAIGHT PEOPLE CAN ADOPT IN ARKANSAS EITHER.

If you didn’t catch that earlier. They’ve not only hurt single people who may want to adopt, but kids who need to be adopted, just to keep the gay from spreading. It blows my mind.

What blows my mind is people who think gay people are more victimized by this than the children.

holler-that was my point, that adults will let their petty prejudices keep children from having real homes and parents. Not very Christ-like if you ask me!