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Question for those who experience depression...

Asked by wundayatta (58741points) November 30th, 2008

If you are or have been clinically depressed or diagnosed with bipolar disorder, have there ever been times when you question your own depression?

I’m wandering around, doing this and that, and feeling miserable, but I don’t tell anyone. Why? Maybe I don’t even believe in my own feelings? I want to be normal,and do what I’m supposed to do, and I feel like I can’t do it, but I try to suck it up, and soldier on through.

This makes me wonder if I’m faking my own depression to myself. If I can fake my way through life, then maybe I’m faking my depression to myself so I can gain my own self-pity? It sounds crazy to me, but I don’t understand why I can’t either just go and be depressed, or just throw it off. Why is always this kind of inbetween state and I don’t know what’s what with this?

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gailcalled's avatar

Try some laughter therapy. It is now being used officially for cancer support groups.
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20081128/D94NRNSG3.html

Ever since I had Milo (the cat) thrust upon me, I have laughed alot during the day. I feel much better. He also saved the grumps and grinches from ruining Thanksgiving. He got everyone laughing (a fishing pole with a fake bird dipped in catnip tied to the string and waved around did the trick.)

MrMontpetit's avatar

I totally know what you mean. I’ve been really depressed lately, but I don’t even know why. I’ve also not been able to sleep, insomnia. But I recently got put on 2 new prescriptions, and I’ve been feeling a lot better, and been able to get some good night sleeps.

augustlan's avatar

What you are feeling is a kind of *ennui*  (<noun>: a feeling of utter weariness and discontent resulting from satiety or lack of interest; boredom), which is often a symptom of depression. Sometimes I think I live 90% of my life like that. Don’t beat yourself up for not being depressed enough to make you non-functional! Instead, be content to be in this gray area, and glad you’re not in the blackest of the black moments.

wundayatta's avatar

I feel like I want to stop my meds and stop seeing the therapist and just see what happens, almost hoping it will get so bad, I’ll finally be able to take serious action. What’s that all about? These self-destructive fantasies?

basp's avatar

I have come to the conclusion that when I am depressed I should allow myself the depression. When I am not depressed I allow that too.
The only reason I see to restrict one’s feelings is if the impact is severely damaging to one’s existance.

Sanity is way over rated.

wundayatta's avatar

@basp, if you think like that, does that mean you don’t take your meds?

SuperMouse's avatar

I have those same feelings, I used to wonder if it is the drama that enjoy. I mean being all depressed and miserable is better than feeling nothing at all. After I spent some time stable on meds I realized that my depression and mania were real and needed to be managed. Am I still the same person I was before I was medicated? Yes, at the core I am. I still feel, I just don’t feel suicidal for no apparent reason. I just don’t dread dragging myself out of bed in the morning or get unnecessarily wired up just feeding my kids breakfast.

If you have been diagnosed by a clinician, odds are good your depression is real, not just something you have dreamed up to feel sorry for yourself or keep yourself immobilized. The process of treating depression/bi-polar is just that – a process. It doesn’t happen right away, but it will happen. Stay with the meds, keep seeing the therapist, Pay attention to what works for you and what doesn’t You’ll make it.

basp's avatar

Daloon
I haven’t taken my meds for a while. I am not advocating that for everyone. That is a decision that should be made with the consultation of a doctor.
Also, remember, this is the time of year that depression seems to worsen. The holidays bring up many emotions that may be difficult to deal with.

susanc's avatar

daloon, you are seeing a therapist as well as taking meds, right? I would try seeing
this person twice as often for a few weeks. Just bore right down on the
questions. You need a witness, buddy. basp is so right about how horrible
“holidays” are.
I am going to pm you now.

hearkat's avatar

Do NOT go off your meds cold-turkey. The sudden change could lead to a bad crash, and as Basp said, this is a bad time of the year to change your routine.

Consider this… perhaps it is because the meds that you feel more stabilized. I suggest sticking with your current regimen and discussing changes with your therapist. If you choose to titrate your dosage to wean off your medication, do so under the supervision of the prescribing physician.

Meanwhile, when you feel a certain way, take the time to observe the feeling, then consider the roots. If you feel it is something you want to change, contemplate what you might do differently (even if it’s a change in your thought process) next time you feel that way.

You recall that I also find that practicing gratitude, and looking for the positive in every situation (even if it’s figuring out what the lesson you can learn from it) has been beneficial to me.

wundayatta's avatar

My teeth chatter; my hands shake; I just saw some of my old friends from college, and then went to visit my family, and nobody knows. I have to hids my symptoms and I have to pretend, pretend, pretend—or rather, that has been my choice, so far.

I don’t want to hurt my kids or my wife. I don’t want to hurt myself. I don’t want to be dramatic, either, because I know I want attention, and that’s one way to get it, but it’s not fair. I don’t know what a fair way is. I don’t know if I deserve any attention. Not for this, anyway.

So I’m just hiding away in the dark, upstairs, staring at the computer, avoiding chores and my family, feeling guilty, appreciating it that you guys even are willing to talk to me, and feeling bad that I asked. As usual, I’ve tied myself up in knots.

My daughter is downstairs working on a song she wrote, and I’m proud of her. I’m proud of my son, too, for his ability with the piano. But I can’t see myself being around much longer. Shit. Another stupidly dramatic phrase. But it’s what I feel, right now. It’s also a lie. It’s as if there are two me’s right now. One wants to die. One thinks that’s a lie. The one that thinks it’s a lie will win, but right now, the one that wants to die is making hay while the sun shines.

And then I get mad at myself for asking for pity or attention, or sympathy.

It all makes me hurt inside my head, physically, and psychically.

hearkat's avatar

All the more reason you need to stay on your medication and continue therapy (if not increase, as SusanC wisely suggested).

You have been blessed with a wife and two healthy, intelligent, and talented children. You have a home, a computer, and iFriends who care about you. These are the kind of things I remind myself of when I find myself sliding into self-pity. I allow myself a moment to grieve for the things that were taken from me when I was molested as a child, but then I consider how hard I’ve worked to rise above that and realize that I am actually proud if who I’ve become. I don’t know what you feel self-pity for, but you obviously haven’t let it hold you back too much.

You say that you feel you are faking… my therapist once encouraged me to “fake it ‘til you make it” and I found it helpful—by ‘acting’ like the person I wanted to become, it gradually began to feel more natural to me and I am now closer to being that person. I know I will always be a work in progress… and I accept that fact of life.

If you feel the ‘fake’ you is someone you’ve created to please the expectations of others, that is a whole different problem. Either way, I beleive that it is not fair to your loved ones that you keep your struggle hidden from them. Obviously, your depression/anxiety are impacting them by the way it affects your behavior. Do you honestly think they don’t know something is wrong? It is far better to be truthful and respect their intelligence, and place your faith in their love for you. I know the latter part is the hardest; but it is a crucial step in being able to give and receive love—which is essentially what we all are yearning for.

SoapChef's avatar

taking a big deep breath I suffer too. I also hide it. It is completely unacceptable in my family to have depression. Ever heard the phrase, “Pull yourself up by your bootstraps”? I have heard it more often than anyone would care to. Emotions are something to be mocked and if you have negative or painful thoughts, well, you just, quit it. Just like that. So for me, suffering from depression is humiliating, selfish and probably of my own doing. I feel much like you do daloon. I question as to whether this is a choice and often wonder, “Am I just indulging myself?”. The real answer is no, I have a chemical imbalance and I suffer from a disorder that is crippling to millions of people. There is also a huge stigma attached to it which unfortunately keeps many people from getting treatment for it. It is so insidious, in that it traps you in this cycle of hurt that prevents you from getting the help you need. Your very thoughts are the enemy. You need to see about adjusting or changing your medication, not quitting them. I have quit the Prozac several times and it is not a good idea, believe me. I am not on any medication now and deperately need to be. I need therapy and I just can’t bring myself to do it. My husband (who is the only one on earth that knows the full extent of my despair, poor bastard), once made me an appointment with an incredible therapist, Courtney Love’s mother no less. If nothing else, she’s had plenty of experience with dysfunction. What did I do? I was furious! Anger is an often overlooked symptom of depression and is typically of the non-productive and self-destructive variety. Life is too short to feel this way. What do you say that all of us in the same sinking boat here, make a pact. We will do one, just one thing this next week to help heal our unfortunate mindsets. It could be making that appointment for counseling or medication evaluation. It could also doing something out of your comfort zone. For some, it might simply be getting out of the house. Maybe volunteer for something. There is no mood elevator better than helping others. It won’t cure your depression, but it is a step in the right direction. You will gain confidence and it will relieve you of your blackest thoughts for a time anyway. I know how hard this is, but lets give it a go for everyone here who suffers, sake. I know I could use the support and interaction. Please feel free to pm me anytime. Get a plan, try to clear you head and be strong. You are not alone.

basp's avatar

Daloon
As I read the last two responses I realized how wonderful others can be and how connected we are to those we have never met.
I can not add more to the remarkable advice in previous posts…but know that you are not alone.
Be strong. Be real. Most of all…be.

wundayatta's avatar

Oh gosh, you are making me cry. Thank you so much. Soapchef, you probably do know how incredible it is to hear that someone else has the same thoughts as you do. Thank you.

basp, yes. Be. Hah! In my mind are two thoughts at the same time. 1) life is the most incredible gift there is. How on earth could I be thinking of voluntarily giving that up? 2) I can’t take this. It comes on so suddenly. I don’t know where it comes from. It makes no sense. It sandbags me.

Life – the gifthorse in whose mouth I look. I know… I know that I will feel nothing and know nothing and be nothing if I do die. When I do die (preferably not by my own hand). Be jesus fuck, this gift sure bears some heavy costs, maybe all the heavier because I have, otherwise, been so lucky.

Soap, I accept your wager or challenge or whatever it is. I’m going to try not to blow it by saying that whatever it is I do is not good enough. Oh god. That’s already something huge. Maybe I have no choice. Maybe every one of these challenges, no matter how small-appearing, will be huge and make me feel inadequate to make it happen.

I never let myself win. Nothing is ever good enough for me. Nothing counts as a success. I have totry. I may not figure it out this time around. I gotta let myself off the hook, maybe once.

augustlan's avatar

Daloon, whatever you do, please do not stop your meds. You are a very intelligent man, and you know that unmedicated bi-polar is a huge problem. Don’t kid yourself into thinking you’ll be ok without them. I don’t have bi-polar, but I have clinical depression and general anxiety with panic attacks. I have stopped my medication several times in my life…with disasterous results every time. Take your meds, take a deeeeep breath, and go to your wife. Tell her you need a hug. Meantime, here’s a virtual {{hug}} from your Fluther friends.

Edited to add:

@Soap: I’m in! Let’s all do it and report back next week, ok?

wundayatta's avatar

@all, my purpose in stopping meds was not to see if I could handle it on my own. Just the opposite. I get tired of these events, and this one made me wish I could get as bad as possible, so…..

I don’t know. Courage to kill myself? I doubt it. An escape? Maybe. Or just backwards thinking because of the pain and there is no justification(to stop meds)?

Sometimes I can feel hugs, other times not. I did ask my wife for a hug, but she started crying, and that was too hard for me. But, on the good side, I did manage to make dinner. I did help my son practice, and I didn’t freak out with him.

I find myself doing this weird thing I never did before. I purse up my lips randomly. As if…. either I’m locking in a cry, or it is helping in some way. I wonder what strangers think seeing me twist up my mouth randomly.

I am sick of feeling this way!!!!!

cdwccrn's avatar

Hang in there, all. Do what you can to practice self care, with or without meds or therapy.
Clearly you are not alone. And we all have MANY blessings to be thankful for.
One good habit is a simply write three to five things each night for which you are thankful.
About laughter therapy. Each night I retire to sitcoms. The silliness makes me laugh and raised my spirits before sleep. Monday night CBS is the best.

SoapChef's avatar

Those are little victories daloon. Making dinner, helping your son practice? I know it must sound ridiculous to people that don’t experience life this way, but making dinner is a bfd! I took my dog to the beach. I live a mile away from it and sometimes don’t see it for months at a time. It was a beautiful day and I had to talk with myself for a bit, but I am glad we went. I brought her home and went to the movies, by myself! I felt like escaping in a comedy might be just the ticket. Tommorrow I am going to outline a plan for myself. Baby steps.

chicadelplaya's avatar

Daloon, you are so brave! For me, depression is usually physically debilitating. Seems like it takes SO much freaking energy to do anything. I hate it. Hang in there, sweetie. We’re all here for ya!

Trustinglife's avatar

I want to also acknowledge the courage in asking your wife for a hug! I can imagine how hard it was for you when she started crying.

I appreciate how you are coming to us for support in such a difficult time. I understand that it doesn’t feel right to lean on your family for support. Please, lean on us.

augustlan's avatar

Asking for the hug, making dinner and helping your son are all positive steps. I’m proud of you!

wundayatta's avatar

Thank you all. Your support may have made a huge difference! This is weird, because of how fast the change is, but I’m feeling quite a bit better today. Somehow more in control of what I’m doing. My brain isn’t telling me how awful I am.

Does anyone else have these rapid fire downs and ups? I felt so low yesterday, I can hardly believe the difference today.

I’m not complaining, mind you, but it is very disconcerting. I never know when a down is about to hit (it really seems random), and then it seems like it’ll last forever, and then, all of a sudden, I’m up again. I’m afraid to say anything about myself, because the next moment might be different.

I read, this morning, about a magnetic treatment for depression. There’s also a battery powered device that heads of migraines.

For depression, the target is a postage stamp-size part of the left prefrontal cortex that is less active in depressed people. Scans confirm more activity after successful treatment of any kind, although the exact mechanism is not known.

Fascinating! I wonder if, knowing this, we could focus our imaginations when meditating or whatever on stimulating this part of the brain? The magnetism changes the way electricity flows in the brain.

One nasty thing, for me, about depression, is that for fifty years, I didn’t have it. I’m used to being different than I am now. It makes me really angry, sometimes. That can’t be good.

gailcalled's avatar

“but I’m feeling quite a bit better today”..Daloon; could that be directly related to your creative verbal torturing of Milo? He seems quite active and stimulated himself. And says to tell you to bring it on.

wundayatta's avatar

@gail, I’m onto you, Milo. So you can start speaking directly. I know you’re manipulating that poor woman into saying the most absurd things!

augustlan's avatar

I’m so glad you’re feeling better today…whatever the reason!

SuperMouse's avatar

Yes, I have experienced rapid fire ups and downs, sometimes many times a day. It is very exhausting! At any rate, I am glad you are feeling better.

wundayatta's avatar

I used to think I was good at surfing the wave of life. But my resistance to this kind of huge wave that throws me down and up so quickly, makes me wonder. Maybe I’m getting a little stuck in my ways? It almost bothers me as much that I came out of it so fast, as it bothers me that I fell into it so quickly (and deeply).

SoapChef's avatar

@ daloon I think that it indicates that it is time to re-evaluate any medications you are on. Try to do something life affirming while you are in this upswing and have the energy. The positive effects will last through the ups and downs. You are in my thoughts.

Trustinglife's avatar

@daloon, I invite you to simply be grateful for the good feelings. You might consider that you are being invited into a new experience of life (rather than yearning for your old life). I’m wishing you all the best.

shadling21's avatar

Daloon, I know next to nothing about depression, so I just want to say that I hope that you feel better soon.

answerjill's avatar

Dear Daloon, I can relate to your post, for reasons that I would rather not go into in this forum. Anyway, I wish that you had someone that you could vent these feelings to (in addition to a therapist). Have you perhaps considered group therapy or support groups for those who suffer from depression? (I know that Flutherers are a supportive bunch, but we are not physically there.) Also, when going through bad times, I find it helps to tell myself to “just keep putting one foot in front of the other.” I have also found that helping others does a great deal to lift my spirits. Sending good thoughts your way….

augustlan's avatar

About the ups and downs…I just wanted to let you know, as a life-long sufferer of depression, it gets easier to accept over time. Each time it happens and you come out of it is one more example of the fact that you will come out of it. It gets easier to bear if you know in your heart and mind that it won’t last. It always gets better. Once you have more experience with that truth, I think you’ll be able to ‘surf’ again.

maccmann's avatar

Depression is a self-perpetuating disorder. The more depressed you are, the more depressed you get.

What you have to try to do is STOP. I know that that sounds easier than it is, and it is NOT easy, but it does work. This is why drugs are referred to as “adjunct therapy.” They are not meant to “cure depression” so much as help you cope and help you to get out of it.

If you haven’t been seeing a counselor/therapist, START. This will help you by giving you a hand to hold. Also, read up. Knowing is half the battle. Doing is the rest. Good luck!

gailcalled's avatar

One cannot think away a change in one’s body chemistry. I have a cousin who periodically sinks so deep into black despair that she needs several sessions of electroshock therapy. Then she has a few years of good cheer and steady moods.

maccmann's avatar

@gailcalled: actually you can “think away” pretty much any symptom. There are throngs of medical reports of the mind overcoming the body. I did it.

I cannot say that I went into the type of depression that you are referring to, but it was very bad. I was on the brink of hospitalization.

Anyone can do it, if they choose to. But the point that I was attempting to make is that you need help to get to the point where you can help yourself. People do it every day when they decide to not feel the way they do. You either let it control you or you you don’t. If you need drugs, ECT, therapy or whatever…GET IT. But don’t rely on it. Make a goal of beating it and eventually you will.

Everyone can.

Snoopy's avatar

@macmann Gee. I am just not sure where to start w/ that..

=actually you can think away pretty much any symptom= ?!

I am just too shocked to respond….

I’ll just say I don’t agree and let others point out the error to your statement…

gailcalled's avatar

I agree that depression is a subtle and complex issue. Even serious laughing fits daily help. But I am still on a low-dose of Zoloft after years of serious therapy. I need a little more in the dark days of winter. Periodically I wean myself off and notice that I feel as tho I am wading through molasses. So back I go.

Some tragic events in my life permanently removed some seratonin. (That’s the short version.)

SuperMouse's avatar

@macmann I am saddened that you think Daloon, or anyone else suffering with mental illness can “think away” the symptonms, Can my friend with a severe spinal cord injury think away the symptoms (i.e. paralysis) and get up and walk? No, he can’t. Mental illness is no less real than a spinal cord injury and it must not be taken any less seriously. To tell someone who is suicidal to wish away the pain that brought them there makes no more sense than telling someone with a broken arm to decide the bone is heeled and move on; it just isn’t reality.

maccmann's avatar

@SuperMouse, snoppy: you believe whatever you want, but it worked for me. It sounds like daloon is right where he (she? sorry I don’t know) to do just what I did. No error here. I’m a better person for it.

And, no I don’t think that you can think your way out of a spinal cord injury. Thanks for the stab! Feel better about yourself now?

Oh, and I am also sorry if it “saddens” you. Depressed much? Maybe you should try not being saddened by what other people say and concentrate on helping them to get better?

And finally in case you think I’m being glib here in my responses, some personal information about my bout with depression:

-Catatonic for 36 hours with no responses to communication or pain.
-Sent to ER for eval and only “woke up” when a certain person arrived to speak to me and she did for 4 hours before I “came to.”
-Prescribed Zoloft and Lexapro and was on the former for two weeks until it was decided it was making my symptoms worse and making me suicidal (more than I already felt).
-On Lexapro for 6 months until I decided I felt worse on it than I did not on it.
-Was in therapy for 8 months and learned how to cope with depression on my own without adjunct drug therapy
-Read and educated myself on techniques to combat depression and anxiety because frankly I wanted to not have to be on a virtual rollecoaster on drugs my entire life.
-I have a history of mental illness in my family which puts me at risk for the same.
-I decided to not let “Life, Change, and External OR Internal factors” rule me. I have decided to take control myself and I have.

Addicts and Alcoholics do it every day. One day at a time.

You can actually change and repair your own body chemistry. YES YOU CAN. I and several others have done it and continue to do it to this day.

If you don’t believe me, great. Don’t. But don’t believe me and you may miss out on the very thing that ill help you. Your choice.

Snoopy's avatar

@maccmann your statement…

=you can think away pretty much any symptom=

…leaves one to believe that you think that you can cure spinal injuries w/ thought, et al.

Your lack of clearly explaining yourself leaves your words open to misunderstanding.

Since it seems you think that SM took a “stab” at you by reading it the same way that I did….it is w/ relief to know that you think that the notion is as stupid as we do…

hearkat's avatar

@maccmann:
Perhaps it would be more helpful if you recommend some of the books and techniques that were beneficial to you, rather than simply saying you were able to overcome you mental illness, so “pretty much” anyone should be.

I have outlined my struggle in several threads here in Fluther (some of which I linked to in a Comment I left on Daloon’s Profile), and I similarly tried numerous treatments and thereapy techniques with little or no benefit. I was able to overcome my chronic depression through gradually changing my thought process.

It took years to get to the point where most people are surprised to hear that I was once a pessimistic, cynical, suicidal bitch; but she still rears her ugly head at times (and has gotten me in heaps of trouble!). So I consider myself a work in progress and am always mindful that life may find me mired in the depths again some day.

augustlan's avatar

@Maccmann: I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, given that you have suffered with this illness, and assume you are trying to help. However, it is overly simplistic to say that we can ‘think away’ our depression. In the end, I think an approach like Hearkat’s is more likely to be perceived as helpful, while your approach almost seems to belittle the very serious nature of this issue. Your statement, “Anyone can do it, if they choose to.” implies that 99% of us choose not to be well! Nothing could be further from the truth.

SoapChef's avatar

Wow, mac! It is disturbing to hear someone coming from this experience saying we can just will it away. That is precisely why people feel ashamed and don’t seek and get the kind of help they need. Augustian said the rest.

wundayatta's avatar

When I first got sick, I believed I could think it away. I thought I was a smart guy, and surely I could find a way to control these things. I guess I’m a smart guy, but I sure as hell had no idea what had happened to me, nor how it had changed me. No clue.

The first thing my psychiatrist did was to throw me on lithium. My wife started reading every book about bipolar that we could find. I thought I understood what was happening to me. Hah!

It took a while to find a therapist. We needed both a couples therapist and a personal therapist to help me deal with being bipolar. Wow! What a wave of sadness I feel just thinking that thought. (Or am I being sorry for myself?)

Early on in my therapy, my therapist suggested I read a book about Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), which, I believe, is the approach maccmann is referring to. It’s approach is to teach you how to counter your unrealistic thoughts, and teach yourself how to get better, and stay better.

Great! Right? The research said it worked for 75% of patients. The implication, like maccmann’s, is that everybody can do it.

So I tried, but I got stuck in a fatal loop. If I was responsible for my getting well, then I was responsible for being sick, and since I was sick, I must want to be sick, and therefore I was a failure.

I was worse off than before. What a relief when my therapist said to try mindfullness.

It’s not easy being from the school of self-responsibility. I was born and bred to it (which is one reason why I don’t tell my parents). You have no excuse. If you fail, it’s because you chose to. If your standards of success are high enough, you’ve guaranteed yourself failure, no matter how smart and competent you might be compared to others. Exhibit A: daloon (male).

So, am I really responsible for being sick? Or is it brain chemistry? The psychiatrist (a major researcher on the genetic causes of bipolar) said it was chemistry. My wife said it was chemistry. My therapist said it was chemistry. But I did not believe them. I knew, as maccmann knows, that it was all me.

It didn’t matter that the “events” seemed to occur randomly, and unrelated to anything in my personal history. It didn’t matter what all the experts said. They were just trying to be kind, to let me off the hook, to give me some relief. They were lying to me, in other words.

Every therapist has sworn up and down that they aren’t lying to me, and when they compliment me, it’s true, but I still suspect otherwise—they have a vested interest in me liking them, and no matter how ethical they are, there is still the possibility or maybe even likelihood that they are being influenced at an unconcious level by their need to earn a living.

So I was convinced that everyone was misleading me, in suggesting that it was the chemistry, and not my thoughts that caused my depression. I was 100% in maccmann’s camp.

And it nearly killed me.

A friend saved me. She was about in the same position that I was at the time. In talking to each other, we made each other laugh. Hysterically. We were talking about how we might kill ourselves, and after a while it became absurd.

I feel better, most of the time, after I talk to her. I feel better when folks here offer their support. It means a lot to me. Oddly, I tend not to feel better after visits to the therapist. And with my wife, it can be good, and sometimes it’s like she’s trying to make me feel bad. She doesn’t know the doublethink that goes on in my head, and she can’t guess that it’s there. So sometimes, it seems like everything she says makes me feel like a failure.

But when I take a pill, after a few weeks, a lot of that doublethinking stops. I felt like my thinking changed with the meds. It really disturbed me. How could a pill change the way I think? Not just the way, but the what. It made me think that someday, we’ll be able to take pills to create not just emotions, but thoughts we want to think. Scary.

Later on, it seemed like I had a lasting mild depression, so the psychiatrist added an anti-depressant, and that worked at first, but then didn’t, so he upped the dose.

So now Sunday happened. And Monday. Falling down the elevator shaft, and somehow, bouncing right back up.

My thoughts? Well, the mind is a mysterious thing, but why? People theorize it was Thanksgiving and the stress of my father and other family members; the dark (seasonal affective disorder); poor sleeping habits. But I had a good time with my family, and I’m doing much better on sleep. Not much I can do about seasons, although I could get a light box.

I know that when I believe I can do something mentally to help myself, I fail and get worse. When I take the blame away, I can get better, but I still, randomly, it seems, sink down. I have a tendency to blame myself for these things, and I need people to remind me (believeably) that it’s not my fault, or I will cycle down and down.

People are different. We have different responses to stimuli. Different history, and different senses of meaning. No one size fits all. It’s nice to know there are many methods out there. I know there are a group of people for whom the idea that we are responsible for our own depression is a killer. Perhaps we have lived lives where we feel responsible for everything. You want to know what I’m responsible for? The world. The whole fucking world. Not doing a very good job, am I?

I don’t know how many we are, or what portion of depressed folk we represent. I know that mind power doesn’t work for me. I still don’t believe that. However, it doesn’t help when people tell me I can control it. I think the people who say that need to proselytize about it, because it helps them believe it will continue to work for them if it works for others. Like a religion.

Some of us have had enough blame in life. We blame ourselves more than anyone else possibly could. It doesn’t help to be told that we can fix ourselves with our minds. That heaps more blame on us, and makes us worse.

sorry about how long this is. guess I had something to say!

SoapChef's avatar

Exactly.I’m crying now

SuperMouse's avatar

Bravo Daloon, very well said.

@Macmann, I was not taking a stab at you, just trying to point out what I perceived as the inconsistency of your statement. I am glad that you were able to bring yourself back from the brink, but the truth is you are in the minority. Daloon did a great job of pointing out just how dangerous it can be to make people feel like they can and should do it all themselves.

“Depressed much,” I was depreseed a lot until I finally found a great therapist and a drug combo to help me become stable. When I say “saddened” I meant saddened for you.

shadling21's avatar

Thank you for explaining that, daloon. That definitely clarifies where you are in your depression. Even I, someone who’s never come into contact with real depression, can understand where you’re coming from.

We can’t blame ourselves for how we are. We just have to accept it and adapt. When you figure out how, I’m sure you’ll find happiness. Not perfect happiness, because that is impossible to achieve, but the kind of happiness that makes the bad times okay.

I’d wish you luck, but luck won’t carry you through this. Instead, I wish you strength.

hearkat's avatar

Thank you for sharing that, Daloon.

I have found that discussing my childhood abuse, and subsequent depression and the poor choices I made while I let it control me has helped a lot in shedding the feeling of shame that was a HUGE weight on me.

My personal theory is that it is a chemical imbalance, and that certain experiences and genetics led us to develop an imbalance. But research continues to show how our brains can and do change! So I stopped focusing on who to blame for how I was… I accepted that I can not change the past nor predict the future. “I yam what I yam”... but I wasn’t happy with who I was, and regardless of who or what caused me to me that way, I had to accept responsibility for my actions in this moment, and the impact it will have on the moments to come.

I think letting go of blame, shame and the illusion of control were crucial to my recovery. And being determined to be a good role model for my son… to end the legacy of abuse, mental illness and addiction that held me back for so long, and that took his father’s life.

Think of your brain as a computer… “Garbage in, garbage out”. Somewhere along the line, we were fed bad information that corrupted almost everything else. Some of us also have some faulty connections in the motherboard, which makes the corruption have an even more profound affect. Medications balance the chemicals to help build bridges to bypass the faulty connections. Therapy is the Antivirus program that seeks to find the source of the corruption and eliminate it. The behavior mod is the reprogramming… replacing the “Garbage” with the good stuff that will help you become who you truly are at heart.

Of course this is an oversimplification, especially since the brain is the world’s most complex computer. But I just wanted to illustrate how you do not need to take the blame for your illness. I hope it helps. :-)

SoapChef's avatar

@hearkat
I don’t think that was an oversimplification, it was brilliant! I think it would be very useful when trying to explain this to people that don’t have depression.

hearkat's avatar

Awwww… shucks!

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