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Catholics:Where is Peter Apostle mentioned as the Rock in the Old Testament? I see that reference to the Lord and Lord alone!

Asked by seVen (3489points) December 13th, 2008
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kevbo's avatar

Where are any apostles mentioned in the OT, dingus?

Harp's avatar

Well, I’m not Catholic, but the verse you’re referring to is Matthew 16:18: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church.”

The Catholic take on this is that Jesus was making a bit of a play on words here, the Aramaic word for “rock” being petra, and Peter’s name being Petros (meaning small rock or pebble in Aramaic). The implication is that by ”this rock”, Jesus was referring to Peter, not to himself.

Comedian's avatar

Ooo! The Rock!! That was an awesome movie! Lol sorry

madcapper's avatar

Is thats the psalm where Peter lays the smack down on a candy-ass?

cdwccrn's avatar

Don’t think Peter was in the old testament.

cdwccrn's avatar

I’m Protestant.

laureth's avatar

It’s not in the OT. It’s in the New T, where Jesus and the Apostles appear onstage.

Matthew 16:18 (New International Version)
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

Here, Jesus is making a pun. “Peter” (in its original Greek and Latin forms) means Rock. To imagine, the entire Papacy and Catholic Church is based on a joke. :)

arnbev959's avatar

Matthew 16:18 (My Version)
“And I tell you that you are Pete, the Pothead, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

madcapper's avatar

the Lord shall smote your ass because Peter sells the best rock and he can be found on the corner of 52nd and Main….

Jack79's avatar

Actually “Petros” was his Greek name, hence “Peter”. His original name was Simon (which I assume also means “stone” in Hebrew?).

btw only Jesus spoke Aramaic, the others were Jews.

arnbev959's avatar

Simon means “stoner” in Hebrew.

Harp's avatar

From “Dictionary of the Bible” by William Smith:
“The language of the apostles was of course the form of Aramaic spoken in Northern Palestine, a sort of patois, partly Hebrew, but more nearly allied to the Syriac”

in what sense was Jesus not a Jew?

I was mistaken in identifying Petros and Petra as Aramaic, however; they are Greek. The Aramaic equivalent is kepha which, incidentally, isn’t subject to the awkward gender difference that makes the Petros/petra translation ambiguous. Spoken in Aramaic, both Peter and the rock would have been referred to as ”kepha”. So the identification of Peter with the rock on which Jesus was to build the church would seem even more evident in Aramaic than in Greek.

Jack79's avatar

Jesus obviously was a Jew, sorry. I meant he didn’t speak Hebrew. Wrong wording.

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