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What is the stupidest thing that President Bush did?

Asked by wundayatta (58741points) January 13th, 2009

Obviously, there are so many candidates, from invading Iraq to building a wall to keep out Mexicans, to his “no child left untested” program, to his posture on global warming (we need to make it happen faster), and so many more.

What, in your opinion, is the stupidest?

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cage's avatar

Stand in front of a “mission accomplished” banner half way through a war…

Lightlyseared's avatar

You want us to pick one thing? Really? Just one?

peyton_farquhar's avatar

Accept the presidency.

aprilsimnel's avatar

“Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job!”

robmandu's avatar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rToKEnySb7s&eurl=

…of which I like, “The left hand now knows what the right hand is doin’.”

squirbel's avatar

No Child Left [Untested]. Screwed up the education system, and you can’t pull kids who didn’t learn over the past 5 years back 5 grades.

wundayatta's avatar

@Lightlyseared: yes please. I’m trying to get a sense of priorities, so, although there are many candidates, I want you to say which one you find most egregious.

SoapChef's avatar

Starting this tragic and heartbreaking war over a bundle of lies qualifies as the most insidious, if not the most stupid.
Oh good, I have missed dalepetrie’s insightful responses.

Jack79's avatar

hmmm…it depends whether you’re looking for the stupidest thing for his career (most of the things he said for example were harmful to himself) or his country (I’d say invading Iraq harmed US long-term interests more than anything) or the world (deciding to wage war against the planet seems pretty stupid, especially since America has been around for a few hundred years and the Earth for several billion).

The one he’ll be hated most for is Quantanamo though.

kevbo's avatar

Stupid for whom? I think he and the people behind him set themselves up quite well.

shilolo's avatar

In my mind, its a tie between ruining the USA brand (i.e. a flawed, but moral democracy that all people can aspire to) and ruining the US (and global) economy.

Lightlyseared's avatar

@daloon Well…OK…How about sitting down with a classroom of kids for a photoshoot on 9/11 at 9.03 a full 15 minutes after the first pictures of the WTC on fire were broadcast on TV and it was blatanlty obvious (to everybody but the bloke in charge) that the US was under terrorist attack on a sacle never before seen.

AstroChuck's avatar

Oh, my God! This question has the potential to break all response records!

galileogirl's avatar

The question is what was the worst thing the American voters did. We elected a clueless adolescent with no sense of history or ethical core…then we reelected him.

aisyna's avatar

I would have to go with the Patriot Act and no child left untested (i like how you put it, its so true)

AstroChuck's avatar

Well, I can tell you the stupidest thing that the first President Bush did. It was slipping Barbara the salami in autumn, 1945.

AstroChuck's avatar

@galileogirl- He was never elected.

SoapChef's avatar

@AstroChuck Shudder, thanks for that mental image.

squirbel's avatar

@AstroChuck: you’re brave for taking her on. lol!

jbfletcherfan's avatar

Okay, I’m going to jump in here & be the lone wolf. You can all sit back & criticize all you want to & make fun of him. He was our governor when we lived in Texas. I never paid a whole lot of attention to how he ran the office, because basiclly, I think politics is B O R I N G. But Texas prospered as it always will.

The president’s job isn’t what the American public thinks it is. They do what the Congress & the Senate let him do, basically. And he’s always the one who gets the flack. He was handed 9/11, Katrina, wars, the economy. And every other pissy thing that came along. What would any other president have done? Sure, they can all sit back & say ‘I’d have done this. I’d have done that.’ Uh-huh. And to all other flutherites here who likes to jump on the Bush bashing bandwagon, I’m asking you, too. What would YOU have done? Or you? Or YOU?? The man was in office for 8 years. In hindsight, yes, he did make a lot of mistakes. And from watching his speech yesterday, he knows that better than anyone. He’s man enough to admit it. I’m sure there’s NO ONE who’s more anxious for him to be out of office than he is. He’s a good man, a good husband & a good father. He loves his country. He’s left Barak Obama a bitter pill to swallow, this is true. But I’m sick to death of all the Bush bashing. If you think you can do a better job, go run for office. I will be looking forward to much prosperity & rainbows when you take the oath.

shilolo's avatar

@jbfletcherfan His was a failure of immense proportions. Not only did he not acknowledge making mistakes until this very last interview, but he failed to appreciate just how badly things were going (do you remember the debate in 2004 when he was asked this very question, and he couldn’t name one mistake?!). By instilling a culture of mediocrity in the government, he created the situation we are in. He was the chief executive, the one to make the critical decisions. He allowed (encouraged) the US to torture American citizens, and lose the moral high ground in the process. His list of poor decisions is so long, that it will take decades to (hopefully) unravel.

SoapChef's avatar

@jbfletcherfan You are right, we are all just taking cheap shots. He is just an easy mark. snort

jbfletcherfan's avatar

@Soapchef, thanks. I KNEW I was going to be blown out of the water on that post. That’s okay. I have broad shoulders. But I’m entitled to my opinion just like everyone else.

You’re right about him being an easy mark. David Letterman, & probablty every other late night host had a field day with him. And yes, his gaffes were funny. So be it. I still get tired of hearing all the negativity.

Judi's avatar

@jbfletcherfan ;
I want a president who is a LEADER, not one who sits back and blames everyone else.

PupnTaco's avatar

@jbfletcherfan: Gosh, if I was handed a report titled “Bin Laden Determine to Attack in the U.S.,” I’d do something besides continue my vacation.

If the Army Corps of Engineers told me in a video conference that the levees in New Orleans may not withstand Hurricane Katrina, I’d do something besides going on a P.R. tour in San Diego.

I’d probably not participate in the outing of a covert CIA agent. I’d probably not promote corporate enemies of environmental protection to positions of environmental regulation. I wouldn’t turn a record budget surplus into a record budget deficit. I may even be a little bit smarter about regulating Wall Street to avoid a global economic recession.

You know, the little nit-picky things.

galileogirl's avatar

@jbfletcherfan Exactly my point, maybe people SHOULD be paying attention. Being “bored” is better than being horrified by the death, destruction and utter lack of decency that is the consequence of electing an incompetent

dalepetrie's avatar

As much as I detest W and wish he had either

a) choked to death on that pretzel
b) been crushed in a horrible auto accident in his DUI days
c) been court martialled for going AWOL
d) gotten ahold of some bad cocaine and fried his brain

I’ll say nonetheless that I think he may not be a bad person and he MIGHT have had the ability to be a good leader. I think he might be smarter than he lets on (I’ve read that the aw shucks persona coupled with the mangling of the English language is indeed a ruse meant to help him connect with the regular man), and I think that he posesses one quality that all Presidents should…he is headstrong in his convictions.

Where I think his biggest mistake happened was in deciding that his administration was going to be closed off to any input from the outside world. It’s OK to be “the decider” if you are also the “informational gatherer” and “the considerer”, but Bush made a clear decision back when he was campaigning for the 2000 election to push forth with what he wanted to do, period.

This led to the take no prisoners and make no apologies attitude he took towards his campaign, from his decisions to use whatever leverage he could leading up to the election to make sure that Florida was in his pocket (see Choice Point technologies, Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris and the US Supreme Court), to his rescinding all of the valuable consumer and environmental protections Clinton had put in place on Bush’s first day of office…and everything beyond. If he (or whomever was actually making these decisions) wanted it done, they did it. And thus, it was clear to many even before Bush was elected that he would eventually take us to war with Iraq to finish the job his father started (and also to avenge Saddam’s assassination attempt on his daddy and to fulfil the dream of the PNAC)...we heard tell that in 2002 Condi Rice brought up Saddam in a staff meeting and Bush dismissed her by saying “Fuck Saddam, we’re taking him out.” We know that when Joe Wilson brought evidence to the White House that the Nigerian Yellowcake Uranium story was false (which should have been obvious if one had even looked at the signatures to see the wrong President had supposedly signed it), instead of listening the a) outed his wife as a CIA operative and b) repeated the lie in a televised State of the Union address. We have read that Cheney assured Dick Armey that they KNEW Saddam had a miniaturized nuclear weapon (aka a suitcase nuke), which was what got him to recommend to Congress that we go to war. We have heard how Rumsfeld ordered intelligence officials to find a link between Iraq and 9/11 even after it had been clear we should have been going to Afghanistan.

And the big problem as I see it wasn’t that Bush was resolute in his ideas that we have to do what we have to do, but that he became convinced that we have to do x, without listening to or even seeking out any data to support this foregone conclusion…not only that, but the administration actively ignored anything that didn’t fit with their case. THAT was the big mistake he made. This echo chamber mentality, eminating from the top down, corrupted any sense of diversity of opinion as well.

Bush, as part of Karl Rove’s “permanent Republican majority” strategy, embarked on a mission to install as many conservative “strict constructionist” judges as possible (even if it meant illegally firing federal judges for not playing ball). Bush somehow got the Republican controlled Congress to vote lock step with every single thing he wanted to do for 4 years, with almost zero dissent. Essentially, Bush got control of all three branches of government, and then set an agenda based solely on ideology and not at all on objective review (much less debate) of evidence, damn the consequences. And when that wasn’t enough, he simply decreed things if he could not get Congress to go his way…the power of both the Presidency (via signing statements) and the Vice Presidency were greatly expanded and essentially of every single thing Bush wanted to do, he only failed on one thing, and thank our lucky stars he did….Social Security privatization (I shudder to think how bad things would be if people had been allowed to invest part of their retirement when the Dow was over 14k).

So yes, we can say he did a lot of stupid things…but every single stupid decision, every wrongheaded move, every single thing he did as President, where it turned out to be bad, was the result of one stupid decision early on…the decision to not listen to anyone who disagreed with him. I sense in him at least SOME level of humanity, and I think that if he’d been open to debate about the consequences of going in the direction he wanted to go, if he’d been willing and able to defer to the opinions of others who are learned and experienced, he MIGHT have been able to say, “OK, here’s my objective, how do YOU propose we get there,” and ideas could have flowed and hey, maybe he’s have had one to pick that didn’t cause quite so many problems.

And re: jbfletcherfan’s comment, I don’t disagree that the Presidency is a hard job, but as Americans, this is OUR government, and if we don’t see it being run in a way that we think is appropriate, we have every right to criticize the President for it, and you have every right to defend him. But what I think makes your perspective about people just jumping on the Bush bashing bandwagon a bit off is that many of us have shown superior judgement to Bush in that we have the moral high ground of being able to say that before he ever did many of these things, we were screaming at the top of our lungs trying to stop him, and he never listened to a huge chorus of voices, and did what he wanted to do anyway. That doesn’t mean that everyone who has enough common sense to say “I told you so,” is cut out then to run for President. Indeed, we have gotten off our asses and elected a progressive President who we believe will do exactly what Bush did NOT, which is to gather data, analyse it and THEN make an INFORMED decision. So, defend him is you must, but don’t even think we don’t have a right or indeed a responsiblity to be critical of Bush’s many mistakes.

SoapChef's avatar

After all, he was ‘the decider’.

Judi's avatar

@dalepetrie ; fluve! I’ve missed you since the election!

dalepetrie's avatar

@Judi – I’ve been here, just not quite as many political questions to field!

Bri_L's avatar

I don’t care for his VP.

I don’t care for his Educational approaches either.

to name a few.

Foolaholic's avatar

He misunderestimated the response to war.

robmandu's avatar

lurve to @Foolaholic for “misunderestimated”.

judochop's avatar

Perhaps he can and could run Texas. Maybe there are some fans out there. Hmmm I bet most of those fans don’t pay much attention to politics because they are BORING. If you are not angry then you are not paying attention. It all started with a rigged election in his brothers state. Also, they never counted any of the over seas votes! He started out on virtually a clean slate and just nose dived the economy & lied to everyone while doing it. He failed to protect America on almost all levels. He also went against the UN and invaded a country and then let the military destroy all the records so there are no records for schools, medical or citizens. Do I think I could have done a better job? Hell yeah. A much better job.

vanelokz's avatar

one of the mistakes he made was to build that wall to keep out IMMIGRANTS not just “MEXICANS”. Yes I know that American citizens were complaining that immigrants took all the jobs but now that those immigrants are gone the economy is starting to slowly go down the drain. The lower class and middle “working” class are suffering because of this. I’d rather keep my answer short to avoid offending anyone

LanceVance's avatar

Inventing the word Internets.

aprilsimnel's avatar

It just feels like more and more, that instead of being a dynamic office, the Presidency is in the business of expanding its privileges, calculatedly so I feel, since Truman. Maybe there was a breather with Eisenhower. Bush made quantum leaps of expansions of executive privilege with enough executive orders to choke a cow. There were conflicts of interest up the wazoo, brazen lying about the 2000 election itself and the rationalizations for invading Iraq and bald-faced profiteering by elements of his administration. Guantanamo and the extra-legal torture of people without due process in black site prisons is a tip of the iceberg of the damage this administration has done.

Bush, being chief executive, is responsible for what goes on during his watch. Whether or not any of us could do any better doesn’t enter into it. As a nominally democratic republic, we are obligated as citizens to pay attention to what our leaders are doing.

His self-serving speech yesterday was another pack of lies, especially regarding Katrina. He couldn’t care less about the vast majority of the American people, never mind Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis or anyone else. I think a lot of Americans have sussed that out by now. But not only is he going to get away with it all, he’s gonna get paid like a motherfucker! That just sticks in my craw. Can not someone make a citizen’s arrest of him, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld and Poppy Bush on 20 January?

BTW, if Obama fares as poorly, I will be just as willing to publicly criticize him. I’m no respecter of politicians.

cdwccrn's avatar

The murder of thousands in the Iraq war.

airairariel's avatar

simple; running for presidency.

Mtl_zack's avatar

Choking on a pretzel!!!!

galileogirl's avatar

@cdwccrn Th0usands of Americans but 10s or maybe 100s of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans. Then when you consider the number of maimed, multiply that by a factor of 15. The human loss is almost unimaginable.

Jack79's avatar

I love this thread! :)

aisyna's avatar

@judochop- about your comment on the UN my friends dad would always say that Bush wold have pulled us out of the UN if he knew how to spell it

SoapChef's avatar

@aisyna I freakin’ love your friend’s Dad!

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