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Do you think that major pharmaceutical companies hide medicinal cures for existing diseases or at least hide significant progress in working toward such cures?

Asked by Bluefreedom (22947points) January 14th, 2009

I probably sound cynical but pharmaceutical companies are multi-billion dollar corporations and they make a killing off of the consumers buying their products. It certainly appears most advantageous and lucrative for them to hide cures and medicines for such cures so that they can keep skewering the public with very high (sometimes ridiculously high) costs for medication.

Could they even get away with this, do you think? Wouldn’t someone with a conscience finally step forward at some point and want to do the right thing?

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Darwin's avatar

I would suspect that instead of hiding such things they would run out and patent or copyright them, in case someone else leaks them to the public. That way they can turn them into yet another source of income.

cage's avatar

To a certain extent yeah.
But then again no. They could make such a huge amount of money for themselves now.
And as long as babies are being born, then they’ll always be in business.
And no, they couldn’t get away with it if they were found out…

introv's avatar

I don’t think they hide cures but I do think that long term treatments (making diseases manageable rather than cured) for chronic conditions is far more lucrative to them and it is no coincidence that that is exactly what happens to most diseases.

Evil bastards and no mistake!

cwilbur's avatar

Consider, for instance, diabetes: do you think a pharmaceutical company would rather make $50,000 for a cure, or $1000 a month for every month the diabetic lives on maintenance medications?

I have no evidence that they’re hiding things, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they were investing a lot more research into maintenance treatments rather than cures.

wundayatta's avatar

Show me the money, baby. Yes, they have some knowledge about how to fix malaria, and other diseases that hit poor people in the third world, but there’s no money in that. So they let the drugs languish on the shelf. And why shouldn’t they? Their job is to make money, not make drugs. They don’t have to be benevolent.

I seriously doubt it’s the other way around. I don’t think they’ve got cures that they are keeping on the shelf, hoping people get sicker and sicker, so they’ll be willing to pay more when they suddenly release the cure.

Bluefreedom's avatar

@cwilbur. Funny that you mentioned diabetes because that is what I have, the Type II kind, so that is why I’m really curious about this question. I currently take 3 different types of medications, daily, to control my diabetes and I’m very lucky to have all my medical care and costs covered by the government (I’m active duty military).

I really feel for people who have no medical insurance or those that have co-pays but still have to pay a significant chunk of money to get their medications.

I think if any of what I posted in my question is actually going on in these huge corporations, it is criminally negligent and cruel and they should suffer dire consequences for their callous attitude towards people’s health and welfare.

augustlan's avatar

A conspiracy can only exist if two people know about it, and one of them is dead. I do think they don’t actively look for cures, though. That’s left up to different researchers altogether.

Snoopy's avatar

How do you explain them manufacuring vaccines? Wouldn’t it be more lucrative to manage the disease?

introv's avatar

I actually always imagine board meetings of pharmaceutical companies being chaired by satan, all the directors with horns and all the walls in the room being covered in flames.

FWIW I also have a chronic condition with ridiculously expensive, ineffective long term treatments available and follow research in it quite closely at times, and it is very clear the types of research that the major pharmaceutical companies get involved in and they certainly don’t involve anything to do with diet or vitamins – that offer a much better hope of offering long term treatment than their drugs do!

In fact those types of research are actively dissuaded and those avenues of research made very unpopular,making it very difficult for such research to get funding even from specialist charities despite the large amount of anecdotal evidence supporting such research.

Yeah… def evil bastards!

galileogirl's avatar

Well first of all if they were evil enough to try they would fail. Among 100’s of thousands of pharm employees around the world someone would blow the whistle. As Darwin said there would be just too much profit in it. It’s not like finding a cure will end the disease. Diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholestral-if people are not worried about them they will let their lifestyles go to hell, leaving more new patients.

Anyway with branding there will always be competition. We know what cures a headache but every drug company still makes a profit on aspirin.

The real problem is drug companies won’t do research on rare diseases which affect just a few thousand people-not enough profit.

Snoopy's avatar

@galileogirl At one time I thought there was a program via the federal governement to give financial incentives to big pharma for rare disease research….?
Clearly not as lucrative as Viagra..but I seem to remember something…..

I did find this link via the NIH

dalepetrie's avatar

I don’t think they’re “hiding” things per se, though I agree with your theory, and have thought something similar myself…the pharma companies clearly don’t WANT to find cures. And what I think is, that they really don’t LOOK for them…they look for ways to manage diseases, not eradicate them. I agree with Augustlan, by and large they are going to leave THAT research to publicly funded initiatives…they are going to operate as a business which means maximizing profits.

galileogirl's avatar

There have been lots of incentives including using educational facilities to offset some of the costs of research, but it is more about PR than actually producing anything. In most cases where they find something it’s an acidental find when they are looking for a new treatment for piles or zit cream or something.

rooeytoo's avatar

I think that perhaps the phar companies simply don’t concentrate their resources on “cures.” So technically they aren’t hiding anything. I think that given the tremendous amounts of revenue produced by cancer and other disease treatment facilities & protocols, there just is no great emphasis on outright cures. Economics rules the world and everything in it so says cynical old me!

cak's avatar

In the time it might take to develop a cure for a disease, it’s probably mutated, just enough to require another cure. They may be able to cure Type A, but now there is Type B.

I was amazed at all the different types of Cancer and Leukemia – when broken down into categories, you could spend forever looking for different cures. Maybe, eventually, there will be one single super cure, but a lot of diseases, mutate.

Yes, it would appear that the money is more in the maintenance, than the cure; however, from a PR standpoint, wouldn’t the pharm company that actually cures something be the golden child of the industry? Wouldn’t you tend to lean towards it, when picking meds?

Being someone with a dread disease (more than one form), I would LOVE to see them cure it…but I guess I never want to get so cynical that I believe that a company could do this to people, to me. You never know, though.

dalepetrie's avatar

The telling thing to me though is that problems like cancer, leukemia, diabetes…debilitating and sometimes fatal diseases, and relative newcomers like AIDS…the best we can do is treat. All these things…even herpes, have treatments that you have to take maintenance meds for or have series’ of treatments to maintain, but you never get rid of ANY of them. yet even though the seriousness of these things is far greater than say hair loss or erectile dysfunction, they managed to find maintenance meds for these as well. It seems to me that we’ve been able to map the human genome, we should be able to find cures for at least SOME of these things. 50 years ago, they were curing diseases , but I can’t think of one disease that’s actualy been “cured” in my lifetime.

Judi's avatar

They have no incentive to find cures. That’s why government should be in the medical research business.

Snoopy's avatar

@dalepetrie I am not sure what you mean by “cured” but consider that there are multiple vaccines available for our children today to prevent diseases that were not available to us as kids….(e.g. Hepatitis)

AlfredaPrufrock's avatar

So much testing has to go into drugs, because of the lawsuit potential.

wundayatta's avatar

The government is in the medical research business. I believe they fund something like half of all scientific reserach. The NIH funds medical research, and I think it’s part of NSF, and I’m pretty sure they fund a large portion of medical research.

Sometimes academic researchers find something cool (and profitable) and pharma buys it. Often they find cool stuff that isn’t profitable, and pharma isn’t interested. Having government fund research isn’t the problem. The profit motive is the problem. To change that—well, it would require a revolution, and that’s been tried, and it failed.

If the government would subsidize pharma’s manufacture and distribution of helpful but unprofitable drugs, I’m sure pharma would leap to “volunteer.” The alternative is the government going into the pharma business itself. Even in an Obama administration, I think the chances of that happening are as likely as finding scientific evidence for God.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

I read recently that while sunscreen sales have multiplied 27 times since 1972, skin cancer rates haven’t budged. The medical community has us so scared of the sun, that we live like rats in caves. Yet, any biology student can tell you that our body produces its own Vitamin D from moderate exposure to sunlight. Vitamin D boosts production of cathelicidin, which our body needs to fight disease. What that has to do with Big Pharm I’m not sure, but I think that they only work at finding drugs to treat diseases where they can make a profit. I am working on more research into this area, but much of what the medical community and the pharmaceutical companies tell us I have found is false.

galileogirl's avatar

It takes personal common sense to cut through nonsense and hyperbole. Re skin cancer-even with the preventive effective of sunscreen by the young with people living so much longer there will continue to be high rates in the elderly for another 20–40 years while the sun worsippers from the 1950–70’s fade away. Most of the men I know in their 70’s have skin cancers. (of course this is California.) That doesn’t mean that we have to freak out and slather on sun screen every time we walk the dog around the block.

If you live to be 90 you have a good chance of getting diabetes, arthritis, osteoporosis and prostate cancer simply because our bodies start to wear out. Would it make more sense to develop cures for df the very old or to use treatments.

Even the giant bugaboo, Type II diabetes possibly could get a cure but in cases of people under the age of sixty the glucose levels can almost always be controlled by strict diet and exercise. So a pharma solution may jumpstart the pancreas but there are still the other diseases related to the modern American diet.

tiffyandthewall's avatar

i most definitely think there are cures being hidden. at first when someone mentioned this to me, i thought they were just being overly dramatic and whatnot, buying into another silly conspiracy theory, but honestly it makes a lot of sense. it’s a cruel thing, that people who’s jobs are to cure sicknesses would hide the very cure that would ultimately do that, but thinking about how much money they would lose? i don’t know. i mean, it’s been a damn long time since AIDS has been acknowledged, and there still isn’t a cure? i find it hard to believe that there isn’t much progress being made.

a quick fight club reference because i just have to – here’s a quote that reminded me of this. it’s not the same thing, but i think it’s a similar situation.

Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don’t do one.
Woman: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?
Narrator: You wouldn’t believe.
Woman: Which car company do you work for?
Narrator: A major one.

galileogirl's avatar

Less than 30 years and no cure for AIDS? Shocking, it must be an international conspiracy. No, how typically American—a demand for instant, simple and cheap solutions for every complex problem. Hint: We don’t need no stinking drug company to prevent AIDS, there has been a product out there for 5,000 years that does the job.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

I was reading on the AIDS research, and they are getting close. You see, the virus in question has a tendency to go dormant at times, and this makes it hard to kill off completely. They are always trying new ways of fighting disease, and the diseases are always staying one step ahead. As for the 5,000 yr old product to prevent it, if you mean a condom, I for one throw mine away after six months. I’m sure a 5,000 yr old condom wouldn’t stop anything.

galileogirl's avatar

Do you think your tooth brush is ineffective because it was invented 5,000 years ago. Most of us throw them away every 6 mos too. BTW Are you still using lambskin…they have better, cheaper, more effective condoms today. lol

tiffyandthewall's avatar

i don’t expect there to be instant cures for everything. i just used AIDS as an example. my point was not that one particular disease’s cure was already solved and being hidden, nor that i would have any way of knowing that as i’m not a medical researcher or part of the government, etc. my point is that it is possible and even probable that there are cures being hidden for any given disease, or even the common cold, because those working on it would profit more from selling expensive temporary medicines than one expensive medicine that fixes the whole thing at once.
i’m not a medical expert, nor am i a conspiracy theorist, i just think that that’s a possibility.

nobody_interesting's avatar

yes. Big companies buy over the counter cure patents because those cures cost much less and would bankrupt their years of research and dedication to whatever product it is they sell.

The inventor who sold the patent cannot say anything because the company would sue them.

jca's avatar

I asked this question about six months prior and Shilolo was all over me about how i was wrong, this does not happen, etc. Where is he now? it’s good to see that a lot of people agree with my view.

Darwin's avatar

@jca – I do not agree with your view. I didn’t agree up above and I still don’t agree.

What has happened is that we have solved the easy problems. Now we need to deal with the hard ones.

When we figured out that germs caused disease, we started washing hands and the disease rate dropped. When we figured out bad water spread disease, we put in clean public water systems and death rates dropped. We figured out that insects and rodents carry disease so we came up with DDT. We discovered that antibiotics could kill bacteria that cause disease so again death rates dropped. We got better and better at surgery so people don’t die as often from things like appendicitis or even accidental and violence-related injuries. We have even figured out how to “fix” some of the bad genes that cause people to die early.

What we are left with are diseases caused by viruses and prions (which do not respond to antibiotics), diseases caused by chemicals such as DDT and other byproducts of our consumer-based culture, diseases based on people making bad choices (changing human behavior is a real toughie), diseases for which we still don’t know the cause, diseases that have evolved to outwit the cures we found, and ethical concerns about how far we want to go to change the genes inherited by our offspring.

You must admit that spending millions or billions to cure a disease that kills or damages millions of people is much more rewarding than spending the same money to cure a disease that affects hundreds, unless, of course, you are one of the hundreds. Think how many families are untouched by polio these days, and then think about how many families world-wide are still impacted by malaria.

And then there is the problem of convincing people not to smoke, drink alcohol, sit in front of their computers all day, eat processed foods and drink things like Red Bull, and in general act as though they will live forever. Changing human behavior is one of the toughest tasks out there.

Yes, pharmaceutical companies do make research decisions based on money. They have to because they are not non-profits or governmental organizations. However, we have made great strides. Some statistics for you :

“In 1900 more than half of the deaths involved young people, age fourteen and younger. By 2001, only 1.6 percent of the total reported deaths occur among young people.

In 1900 microbial diseases, often striking rapidly, accounted for about 40 percent of all deaths.
In the early 2000s they accounted for only about 3 percent.

In 1900 the average life expectancy at birth in the United States was 47 years.
In 2000 this figure increased to a record high of 77.2 years.

In 1900 more than half of the deaths involved young people, age fourteen and younger.
In the early twenty-first century heart disease and cancer together account for more than half of all deaths in the United States each year, and and the vast majority were in people older than 50.

In the past century the experience of death has changed from a time when the typical death was rapid and sudden, often caused by acute infectious diseases such as tuberculosis, typhoid fever, syphilis, diphtheria, streptococcal septicemia, and pneumonia, to a time when the typical death is a slow, progressive process.”

We all know someone with a disease or physical problem that does not seem to be curable at this time. Usually, someone, somewhere is working on a way to either cure it or slow its progress. But sometimes it takes a very long time to find something that works, and sometimes the thing that might work costs so much that society literally cannot afford it.

Shilolo is possibly tired of saying the same thing over and over so that may be where he is now.

DBoll's avatar

Yes, the pharmaceutical companies along with the whole health care industry. Diabetes alone is a multi-billion dollar business. I don’t think the drug companies and the health care industry is ready to loose billions of dollars. Can anyone tell me when the last disease was actually CURED? To my knowledge the closest we have come is Polio in 1955, which was not actually CURED but eradicated through vaccination. Millions of dollars are being poured into research and the only results we have is more treatments to MANAGE medical conditions, therefore making the pharmaceutical companies more money. I have to wonder, with the technology we have today, why there have been no cures?

jeanneme's avatar

Why try to find a cure for their source of income$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Drugs that make it “manageable” make more sense to manufacturers. My baby sister got breast cancer a year ago. All ads talk about breast cancer…catch it early and walk away with RECOVERY. HAH Why are none of the stats for breast cancer longer than 5 years? They haven’t cured it, just made better chemo drugs, that will continue to produce huge profits for the drug companies and doctors and anyone else that can come up with their hand open. You’re on the right track. We all should start questioning these “CURE MAGICIANS’! My sister wanted to join the 3 day walk for breast cancer and they told her entrance fee was $900 per participant AND each participant had to have $2900. in pledges or they could not walk. She was so disappointed. It’s all a joke!

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