@fireside
“I still haven’t seen proof that an individual experience of “God’s glory” is untrue.
What are you assuming the phrase to mean?”
As I explained earlier, I have no doubt that such a person feels he is experiencing “God’s glory.” Another person in the same circumstances may feel Vishnu’s glory, or Allah’s glory, or Cernunnos’s glory. All are having very real feelings. However, these feelings do not, in any way, give any evidence that what they are thinking about exists.
As far as the quote, I agree with Ivan and did not want to be repetitive.
And, once again, I don’t care what people believe as long as they keep their beliefs in their own heads. But when they make silly decisions that affect others based on those beliefs, then the beliefs should be questioned. And, overall, there is the question of whether, in our lives, we should search for what really is true-whether or not we like that truth- or whether we should accept beliefs that are, in essence, delusions. An adult human who believed in Santa Claus or werewolves or monsters under the bed would be, quite rightly, viewed as delusional, no matter how much that person actually felt that those beings existed, no matter how much he felt that he had experienced their presence. In fact, the more certain he was of such beleifs, the more delusional he would be judged to be. I haven’t ever gotten an adequate explanation for how these delusions differ in any way from a belief that gods exist. So, to you, how are they different? Rather than explaining it, most theists will responds “How insulting that you are calling me delusional and comparing God to Santa Claus!”- which does not, of course, answer the question.
A possible difference in ideas here is that I think that truth is not an entirely subjective phenomenon. Something is not ever “true” only because someone believes it is- there must be actual, demonstrable, repeatable evidence of its truth.