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How would you characterize the difference in people's approach to sex now compared to the 70s and 80s? Why?

Asked by wundayatta (58741points) April 4th, 2009

It seems to me that both the attitudes about sex (in particular, casual sex), and the way people go about having sex, is quite different now than it was when I was first experimenting with sex back in the late 70s and early 80s. Still, it’s hard for me to put my finger on those differences, and the reason for those differences.

Do you think there is a difference (either because you experienced it, or because you’ve learned about those times)? How do you characterize that difference, if any? What factors are involved in the change?

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VzzBzz's avatar

My entire sexual awakening has been overshadowed by AIDS, herpes, Chlamydia, etc. I love kissing but am torn to accept even that for fear of what I might catch. My only blessings have been a few committed, monogamous relationships.

augustlan's avatar

From your earlier posts, I’m guessing you think sex is a much more casual affair these days. However, I’d say that’s not the case at all. I became sexually active in the early 80’s, just before AIDS became a well-known epidemic. I had a wonderful, carefree time of it. I had plenty of sex, casual and otherwise, and the only thing we had to really worry about was pregnancy. ‘Fuck buddies’ were common even then, and I had more than one.

Once AIDS was on the radar, everything came to a screeching halt for a little while there. It would seem to me that after a major adjustment (ie: condom use every time, even if other birth control is in use) the pendulum has swung back. Casual sex with protection is ok again.

Garebo's avatar

As my friend said a long time ago AID“S took the fun out of sport f___ing.

ru2bz46's avatar

There’s less hair, now.

SeventhSense's avatar

@daloon
I would say that if you came of age in the 1980’s that it was a strange time between the free loving seventies-early 80’s and late 90’s into the 2000’s. Kids today that I’ve seen are much more sexually active and sometimes I think too casual. Our Generation X (I was born in 1967) is truly a lost generation but we made significant connections with each other when we did hook up.

ru2bz46's avatar

Yes, AIDS has always been a part of my experience. I am about to be single again for the first time in over twenty years. I give blood as a regular part of my week and would do nothing to jeopardize my supply line to those who need it. I once would have relished the opportunity to be free to get out and try all the waiting delights, but now I just want to find a cave with a porn box and bucket of lube. :’(

augustlan's avatar

@SeventhSense I was born in ‘67, too. Maybe it depends more on where you grew up than when you grew up. I grew up just outside of Washington, DC.
Or maybe I would have been promiscuous no matter what.

Judi's avatar

AIDS happened. Changed everything.

Mr_M's avatar

I’m not so sure AIDS changed everything as much as it became the EXCUSE to change everything with some. Perhaps the “sex pendulum” went too far over for some people and needed a way to get toned down.

SuperMouse's avatar

@Judi hits the nail on the head, AIDS change everything. AIDS was just coming on to the radar when I was in high school. I read about it for the first time in Rolling Stone in 1982 (or thereabouts). All my generation knew about AIDS was that it came from sex, shooting up, and Haitians and that it was a death sentence. Augustlan and I are very close to the same age but, maybe because I grew up on the west coast – San Francisco was one of the first places AIDS was common – I would never have thought to hook up with anyone for a one night stand or any kind of casual sex, the stakes were just too high. We didn’t know whether a condom prevented AIDS, and I for one wasn’t willing to take any chances. My brothers, who were just a few years older than me, had a totally difference experience, they slept around and didn’t even think twice about it.

The piece of the puzzle no one has mentioned yet is that then things changed again. My peers thought of sex and AIDS as a death sentence. Period. For kids coming of age today it seems to be more of a manageable ailment not unlike herpes. It seems that casual sex is on the rise again the attitude of “anything goes” is resurfacing.

wundayatta's avatar

Before AIDS, when I was living in NYC, we thought very little about protection. Our concern was mostly to prevent pregnancy, but if the woman was on the pill, everything was copacetic. We knew about STDs, of course, but we trusted our group of friends to be clean. Every once in a while, we’d hear that so-and-so had crabs, but that seemed to be the worst of it. Herpes was also a concern.

I think we approached sex with a kind of naivite that no longer exists. For us, porn was not easily accessible. You had to go to a dank, smelly place in a really bad part of town. It wasn’t worth it.

So we learned about sex on the job, so to speak. It was all experimental. We might have heard about various possible activities in Playboy or Hustler, but we didn’t know exactly how to go about doing it.

Sado-masochism and other games were hardly publicized in the heterosexual world. Since I had a lot of gay friends, I had heard some very lurid stories about what went on in the Mine Shaft, or the baths.

Then came AIDS. All the profligate activity stopped. We hunkered down, monogomized, and wondered what was going to happen. I went off the grad school out in the sticks, and had no sexual activity outside of my girlfriend.

People learned to cope, and use protection, and be safe, and the rate of AIDS transmission was cut dramatically, especially in some at-risk populations. Later on, they found drugs that could dramatically extend your life. AIDS was no longer an instant death sentence.

I had a friend who worked as an AIDS buddy. GMHC (Gay Men’s Health Crisis) organized volunteers to help people with AIDS through their last days. They’d bring food, provide company (a lot of these men were ostracized by their families), and make sure the people with AIDS got to their medical appointments. They were there when the folks died. I don’t know how my friend did it, but he was a buddy to several folks—I don’t know how many, before he quit.

Then, in the mid-90s, the Internet bloomed on the scene. Suddenly, all this information was available at our fingertips. Information in all kinds of media; not just print. Photos, videos and music were easily accessible. That facilitated the first money-making business on the net: porn.

In the early days, there was all this porn that was freely traded on newsgroups. A lot of it was encrypted into several parts, to keep the size of the files manageable for dial-up access, and you had to decode it and put it together in order to see the picture. This was, for me, the first time I saw hard core pictures of sexual activity.

When videos came along, we could watch all these beautiful people doing everything we had only imagined before. It was like the perfect manual for sex.

The young folks now have grown up in this environment. They’ve had detailed knowledge of, and seen everything there is to see from age…. what” Eleven? Thirteen? Even younger?

Once one of my assistants, this was maybe three or four years ago, and she was 26 years old, was talking to me about her love life. She loved to do this (and that may have been the start of my career as a relationships advisor—though she never took any of it) and would tell all kinds of detailed tales. In part, she was messing with me, but that’s another story.

She told me that her younger boyfriends had these very weird ideas about sex. They thought that pounding away like a jackrabbit was the way to do it. They thought that women loved it when they pulled out at the end, and spurted all over their faces. They knew nothing about foreplay.

In short, they thought real-life sex was like they saw in porn. And it was all (and here, I’m interpreting it, as I see it) mechanical and clinical. Like a gymnast doing a set of tricks to be judged. These days, I get the feeling that a lot of sex among young people, especially recreational sex, and even more especially, “hooking up,” is almost a competition in which they are all scoring each other as to skill and technique and range of abilities. It’s just about fun, but the emotional side of it is complex.

Sometimes, they say, there is no emotion. It’s just fucking. Wild animal fucking. Sometimes they like the person they’re fucking, and then there are problems, because they don’t know if the other person likes them. The rules are confusing. When are we “friends with benefits;” when are we dating; when are we in a relationship that is exclusive? No one knows, because the sex comes first, and the relationship might or might not follow.

When I was engaging in a lot of sex, back in the late seventies and early eighties, it was with people I knew fairly well. Some of it was kind of recreational; we knew it wasn’t about a relationship, but we still really liked each other; maybe even loved each other in a kind of non-possessive way.

We had no easy access to porn. We didn’t know what we were doing. We were inventing it as we went along. Twosomes, threesomes, orgies, who knew how to make these things happen? But they did.

I think that our approach to sex, back then, was very innocent and naive. We didn’t know what we were getting into. In contrast, today, everyone knows exactly what they are getting into. They’ve seen it all multiple times before they ever try it. Porn desensitizes them to the place of sex. It’s more a sport than a relationship activity. They know exactly what they are doing.

To me, this seems rather technical. Technically proficient, yet, like most young people in the arts, the feeling isn’t there yet. They know how to do things that feel good, but they don’t know how to feel good about the relationship, or even how to use sex as a vehicle to express feelings.

I’m sure it isn’t always as I’ve portrayed it here. I don’t know even how accurate this portrayal is, on average. Maybe I’ve exagerated a bit to make a point. But, naive vs technical competence? I think I prefer the exploratory approach. I like to do things for myself, instead of letting other people tell me how to do it. I make mistakes, yes, but I also have a chance to invent something new. These days? I don’t know. It seems like everything’s been done already, even before the first time you get naked with someone.

Linda_Owl's avatar

People over 30 are much more cautious now, because of AIDS. However, most people under 30 are not overly concerned. Too many do seem to think that AIDS is just another sexually transmitted disease, something to be wary of, but something they think can be treated. And, of course, the very young who still believe that AIDS won’t happen to them

lisaj89's avatar

Apparently, it varies in different regions, b/c where I live you almost never hear anybody speaking about AIDS. Premarital sex, everywhere, in my opinion, is way too accepted. I guess it was just the way I was raised but I never, still wouldn’t, even think about sleeping with somebody on the first date, or second, or third, or fourth and so on.I know it’s very old school but I plan on waiting until I am married. I just feel it is something very special which I do not want to hand over to just anybody. Plus, who really wants to worry about catching all those horribly disgusting diseases out there?!?

srmorgan's avatar

It is difficult to characterize the difference over 30 or 40 years. Some of you were born in 1967, I graduated from high school in 1967. At the start of freshman year of college, there was still a lot of talk about what we used to call the double standard – guys should be out there sowing wild oats and the young ladies should remain pure and virginal. A great deal of that went out the window by the start of sophomore or junior year, yet the fiancees of two very close friends of mine, were virgins on their wedding night during the summer after graduation.

And then there were women like Joanie K. who made the rounds of most of my fraternity over the course of four years.

The thing I remember about the 70’s, being in my 20’s was that people jumped into bed very quickly, first date, second date, third date, and people were very casual about it. But I think Daloon has a lot of it right, it wasn’t porno type hammering or ejaculating on your partner’s face or body, it was more about just plain feeling good.

There was also the start of the Women’s movement in the very early 70’s which influenced many of the women I met, and I lived in Queens and Manhattan during those years too Daloon. I remember party conversations where women talked about their first FIRST orgasm and how hard it was to get there. As a male, I could not really identify but I learned very quickly that if you wanted a return visit you helped her concentrate on a climax.
I had a fair share of occasions where I got lucky on the first date, or after a party, but I was hammered most of the time and so were the women.

But when you hit the middle to late 20’s your perspective changes and you begin to look seriously at women and determine if she was worth the effort, if you were looking for a life partner. I don’t think that is going to change.

I don’t know what it is like to be young in 2009. I am not. I could ask my 25 year old daughter about it, but that might be the most awkward conversation of my life and hers too.

So I can say it was a lot of fun in those days, but a lot of gay men and some straight men and women paid for that fun with their lives.

It is hard to read that the younger brother of someone you grew up with was dead of
AIDS at the age of 26. Or that your high school English teacher from sophomore year died the same way. AIDS did put the brakes on what was called the Sexual Revolution.
Like any bubble something was going to cause it to burst.

The only thing I can say is respect your partner, because she might end up being the mother of your children…......

wundayatta's avatar

@srmorgan: I really appreciate your answer. It’s so important to know other people’s experience in understanding these things.

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