Well, I think I must be missing something, but I’ve been called upon to respond, so I will. I read this article, and I don’t see the specific thing he said referenced, only the interpretation of the writer of this article which unfortunately seems like a lot of conjecture and misapplication of what I personally heard Obama say. Again, now if I’m missing something that led to all this hysteria, please point it out, be I heard the speech on the radio when he was giving it, and I’ve gone back to the text now, and I think this is what has people all riled up:
Now, finally, there remains the question of detainees at Guantanamo who cannot be prosecuted yet who pose a clear danger to the American people. And I have to be honest here—this is the toughest single issue that we will face. We’re going to exhaust every avenue that we have to prosecute those at Guantanamo who pose a danger to our country. But even when this process is complete, there may be a number of people who cannot be prosecuted for past crimes, in some cases because evidence may be tainted, but who nonetheless pose a threat to the security of the United States. Examples of that threat include people who’ve received extensive explosives training at al Qaeda training camps, or commanded Taliban troops in battle, or expressed their allegiance to Osama bin Laden, or otherwise made it clear that they want to kill Americans. These are people who, in effect, remain at war with the United States.
Let me repeat: I am not going to release individuals who endanger the American people. Al Qaeda terrorists and their affiliates are at war with the United States, and those that we capture—like other prisoners of war—must be prevented from attacking us again. Having said that, we must recognize that these detention policies cannot be unbounded. They can’t be based simply on what I or the executive branch decide alone. That’s why my administration has begun to reshape the standards that apply to ensure that they are in line with the rule of law. We must have clear, defensible, and lawful standards for those who fall into this category. We must have fair procedures so that we don’t make mistakes. We must have a thorough process of periodic review, so that any prolonged detention is carefully evaluated and justified.
I know that creating such a system poses unique challenges. And other countries have grappled with this question; now, so must we. But I want to be very clear that our goal is to construct a legitimate legal framework for the remaining Guantanamo detainees that cannot be transferred. Our goal is not to avoid a legitimate legal framework. In our constitutional system, prolonged detention should not be the decision of any one man. If and when we determine that the United States must hold individuals to keep them from carrying out an act of war, we will do so within a system that involves judicial and congressional oversight. And so, going forward, my administration will work with Congress to develop an appropriate legal regime so that our efforts are consistent with our values and our Constitution.
So yes, I can get behind this 100%....we are at war, and what hie is talking about are POWs. The so-called “new” system he is referring to is nothing more than a legal framework that will allow us to, in the case of people who for whatever reason (often the reasons in this case are going to be that the evidence on which they could be tried was obtained by legal means) who do represent a threat to the American people, and he gave EXAMPLES of this, we can’t just release these people…we HAVE to detain them in the interest of national security.
Now some will say holding people without trial is no different than what Bush did at Gitmo, but I wholly disagree. Unlike Obama, Bush did not have 4 other categories of detainees. Obama is basically saying we need to release those people who aren’t guilty of anything and who pose us no specific threat, we need to try the people who are, and those who are guilty of nothing but who threaten national security. And what further distinguishes what he is proposing is that he says this isn’t HIS decision, no man or single act of Congress should have this power…and he’s right. He’s saying right now, we need to evaluate this, figure out an appropriate response, one that is within a solid legal framework that will allow us to isolate known threats to security, without just holding people for no reason because it’s easier.
All of you who don’t think this is the right way to go, what would YOU do with people who might pose a real, credible threat to US security, whom we have detained, but because the evidence on which we could convict them of a crime was obtained via illegal methods? What’s better, to legitimize the use of torture, to let a danger to our security go free, or to create a legal framework that would keep our country safe by detaining people whom we may not be able to convict, but whom we know pose a threat to us?
You see, I can understand how that last part is sticky for some people, you’re detaining people indefinitely without trying them for preventive purposes…it violates the basic tenets of innocent until proven guilty. But whereas I was very uncomfortable when Bush proposed the same type of thing at Gitmo, the big difference is that Bush moved unilaterally, essentially there was never going to BE an opportunity for someone to be tried. The problem I had wasn’t with the people who threatened our country being held, but with the people who did not, the people who did not commit any crime and who should not be there. What Obama is proposing would basically treat each person appropriately, if they committed a crime, we try them, if they didn’t we let them go, and if they did but we’d have to sell our soul as a nation to get a conviction, and we KNOW that releasing these people would bring us harm, then we have to hold them as POWs, which is not a NEW thing in war.
But you’ve got people writing these articles trying to convince us it’s like some legal loophole where they can just pick you up and make you disappear. Clearly, creating a legal framework that is agreed upon by the President and Congress, and I believe ultimately the American people will agree with it as well, is NOT THE SAME THING.
Again, unless I’m missing something, I think y’all need to take a deep breath here and don’t believe some muckracker’s interpretation….read the speech and see if you don’t agree with it…I’d be hard pressed to understand an Obama supporter who wouldn’t agree explicitly with what he said in that speech. I am 100% unabashedly on board with everything he said, I couldn’t agree more…he is doing EXACTLY what we should have been doing all along, and this whole “controversy” strikes me as some underhanded right wing tactic to misconstrue his words so it will sound like the exact opposite of his intentions.
Again, correct me if I’m wrong.