Are there any social conservatives that mostly place personal values over race other than Protestants?
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????????????? Would you like to clarify? I haven’t the vaguest idea as to what you are trying to ask.
Only social conservative Protestants are interested in the welfare of the nation/world in general, not just their enclave. All else is political expediency and personal gain for the most part. Though a few Catholics and Orthodox are genuine also…Neutrality is not an option anymore…Part of the problem or part of the solution…Flat Tax=Solution
@bythebay
Its know as a variation on a theme, not exactly the same, not at all…You and yours perfected this technique, I am a very good student…the question is relevant.
@Crusader Only social conservative Protestants are interested in the welfare of the nation/world in general, not just their enclave.
That is nonsense. It isn’t even contentious nonsense as it it too patently absurd.
I’d guess anyone who isn’t racist, no matter what religion, puts more stock in a person as a whole than their race…
@DarkScribe
witty retort, unsubstantiated, ad hominem, and predictable though..Perhaps spending more time encouraging community and donating to those less fortunate, not just those who identify with you, (and you personal prosperity/good time,) would be a good alternative, but, wait, that is what the social conservative Protestants do…
@Crusader wait, are you Ron Paul? omg it all makes sense now!
btw, does everyone know @Crusader ‘s favorite word? ad hominem. it’s easy to say under a white hood.
Do i have to remind you that it was the protestants and social conservatives that were staunchly opposed interracial marriage?
@Likeradar
Just because one is not racist Do Not mean they are not selfish, that is entirely fallicious. The line ‘I am not prejudice, I Hate everybody’ comes to mind. Unless you can profit Personally at the expense of another group by affiliating with like minded mutual opponents of said adversary, (the ally you would ordinarily be indifferent of contemptuous towards,) then its, ‘lets be brothers!’
@Crusader “Unless you can profit Personally at the expense of another group you would ordinarily be indifferent of contemptuous towards, then its, ‘lets be brothers!;’”
Is that they way you work? Because it sure isn’t the way I go about my life. To each their own…
@Crusader what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
@eponymoushipster
Accusation such as ‘white hood’ are more appro po for you, as you would have said social conservatives assaulted, violated, marginalized, and otherwise terrified daily, and are…You are the New Klan, worse, and more pervasive. Worse, in that you and yours own the media and the perception convincing through threat and coersion throughout the nation and world…The World Klan of Haters of Whites.
@Crusader you just did the internet version of “I know you are, but what am i?”. fail. btw, i don’t own the media, but @Likeradar might…
@Likeradar
‘Is that the way you work’ Sorry I Could have joined you and profited quite handsomely, had the political connections to do so, by my conscience won out, thank God. Though my pocketbook has certainly suffered. Such is the sacrifice for principles.
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Why do you think Protestant social conservative place personal values over race?
What do you mean by personal values? Can you give some examples?
What do you mean when someone places personal values over race? Aren’t they two completely separate and incomparable things? Or do you mean that race is a personal value? If so, could you provide more information on what kind of personal value race is?
@eponymoushipster
Careful, your friends might just be friends of mine also…And I have coitere of my own…Jews are great, many friends there, and family perhaps also..yet, the zionist extremism present today, is not acceptable,(Islamic extremism is no better as is any race-based hypocritical extremist organization, most groups are race based and hypocritical to a point, but it is to the extreme extent to which the agenda is pursued is what is so dangerous…) Most are not part of such, and actually most zionist extremists are Not Jewish…there you go.
Ho hum. Why do ya’ll even bother?
I don’t get it, are you a socially conservative Protestant?
What exactly is “coitere”? I keep thinking that there is nothing new under the sun, until I am proven wrong/
Some of MY best friends are Jews (as, oddly, am I). Both secular and religious Jews – Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist believe in the powerful principle of Tzdekah,
The short-hand translation means “rightousness” leading to charity, kindness, social outreach etc. During the thirties, when many immigrants were arriving in the US, it was common for Jewish families to leave their back doors open for any who needed succor and tenderness.
Crusader; Forget about religious orthodoxy and pay more attention in English Composition class.
@eponymoushipster: I was referring to Crusader’s most recent garbled response (6 above this). I figured he meant “coterie” but even that was a misuse. You can belong to a coterie (a close circle of friends sharing the same interests) but you can not have one, as you know.
@gailcalled,
To have a group of friends is to belong to a group of friends.
Also, to clarify Again, it is not the race, but the extremist belief systems of the races of the world that are in conflict with God. Love and Compassion is First. Not Power and Money.
I’m not understanding the preoccupation with race that have become a predominant theme in these questions.
Love and Compassion First.
@Crusader I think we all would agree that love and compassion come first. What is difficult to understand for me is why you seem to think that conservative Protestants are the only ones who actually do this. I keep asking you for examples of what you are talking about, but you haven’t helped me out, yet. I seem to recall you not providing examples in other questions.
I don’t know. Perhaps I don’t understand you because of your inarticulateness. Or perhaps I think you are inarticulate because I am kind of stupid. In either case, I hope you will have compassion for my stupidity, just as I am trying to be compassionate about your inarticulateness. I really want to understand what you are trying to say. It seems to be very important to you. We both agree about love and compassion, but there still seems to be a big difference, and I just can’t figure out what conservative Protestantism has to do with it.
@daloon,
One can give and give and give, but without ears to listen and eyes to see, their is no receiving…
@Crusader Well, I apologize for not having ears to listen or eyes to see. Maybe I’ll go to the doctor and get them checked out. Metaphorically, of course.
If the oh so great Protestants are not interested in money and power, then why do sooo many churches have sooo much money, and why are they involved in politics? Huh? Huh?
@Crusader: Each explanation of what you mean gets more and more muddled. (”“There“is no receiving ,” even written correctly is the passive voice and thus makes no sense.)
Your audience here, by and large, cannot understand what you mean.
@Crusader As usual you are making broad, unproven and generally untrue assumptions. As far as I can see, you and the “social conservatives” you identify with put YOUR values above everything and you expect govt to carry out your agenda. That puts you right in line with religious zealots of every description.
Instead of just espousing your minority views in your questions, why don’t you try to read and understand what others are writing. Realize there is not just one correct belief system but a totally closed mind is most likely to be wrong
I know that there are socially conservative Baha’is.
I’ve also met socially conservative Catholics and Hindus.
So the answer to your original question would be: Yes.
I read this question wrong, I believe
I read it as ‘are there any other racists besides Protestants’ and thought ‘yes, my father, he’s orthodox’
anywho…
I am sorry, but to me this question makes no sense. Are you asking if social conservative Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Catholics etc. think things like “not stealing” and “not coveting” are more important than what someone looks like? The answer to that is of course they do.
Are you trying to say that all Protestants are social conservatives? The answer is not at all. That only Protestants can be both social conservatives and moral human beings? Again, no.
Are you trying to say that you are a social conservative and a Protestant and so you think you are more moral than those who aren’t both? That one you will have to answer for yourself.
Your questions are getting more and more peculiar.
Thank you all for your participation.
I don’t get it, honestly Crusader, you’re either being an amazingly effective, subtle troll, or you’re actually incapable of understanding views that contradict yours. It’s…mind boggling. I’m going to assume your meaning of social conservative is the same as the initial one in this article, though I honestly don’t know if that’s what you mean.
To hazard a guess as to the answer to your question: Probably not. Why? Because there are few politicians that aren’t Protestant, and I’m betting even fewer socially conservative politicians. You need to be clearer in what you’re saying though, my answer doesn’t actually approach what you’re asking, because of the general background of politicians in this country, and the group you’re asking about. Personal values could be, and mean, anything; my entire belief and moral system could be considered personal values, because I personally determined every point of it. Do you mean race as in the thing that’s similar to ethnicity? Because everyone here seems to assume that, but it’s not actually clear. Whether or not that’s what you mean, what you’re asking is still unclear: personal values and race aren’t in the same category in anyone’s book.
If you’re asking if there are any politicians who place personally determined morals and value systems above racial considerations: technically racial considerations would be part of those personally determined values, but I’d hope that politicians would place the values they developed from serious thought over race loyalty or racism, or anything to do with race honestly. Because of the sources of morals of various current conservatives in this country (especially those who intend to make morality into actual law, aka social conservatives) I somewhat doubt that many of them do this, simply because their morals are the ones their parents raised them with, and at some point those inherited morals are likely to lead back to a racist ancestor (even if the ancestor was only racist because they didn’t know better).
I think what you’re (maybe) trying to get at, though, is how much we think politicians’ views are effected by racial considerations. Honestly? I think a bit too much in many cases. Political correctness has gone beyond being polite, to the point of censorship by popular opinion. That said, I think many politicians aren’t caving to racial considerations, so much as actually and legitimately considering them. While the idea that every white male protestant out there is intent upon oppressing minorities (or even that a significant number of them are) is ridiculous, there is still significant inequity (not inequality, there’s a difference, and it’s an important one) between racial groups (The inequity is somewhat less so between average members of non-racial minorities and majorities), and this is something that, in my opinion, should be considered and remedied if possible.
Oh, is he talking about politicians?
@Darwin: Well he’s talking about politics so I assume he’s talking about politicians. I’m not really sure. It definitely seems like he’s at least talking about (fairly) public figures. He does need to work on the clarity of his statements.
@astrocom – Well, since he didn’t list politics as one of his topics I figured he meant folks of that persuasion, not necessarily people running for office.
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