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What percentage of your questions get pulled back to editing?

Asked by saenbateman (14points) June 28th, 2009

Around 90% of mine do and around 10–5% of them get published after editing

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jrpowell's avatar

Only a few. But I barely ever ask questions. I have had lots of comments removed.

RareDenver's avatar

The mods here do appear to be a little over zealous at times

jrpowell's avatar

@RareDenver :: You should see what happens when they leave it alone. It is a total shithole. <—is that a word?

The mods do a good job. And things do get discussed. It isn’t just one person going crazy and deleting shit.

saenbateman's avatar

I remember when I was a mod on airow, certain individuals used to think I was against them, but I deleted very few poll/threads, and it’s still staied very nice in my opinion.

jrpowell's avatar

One thing to remember is the mods have lives. See that “flag as” button? They mostly work off that. So it is members of the community that are deciding what they need to look at. It is insane to think they look at everything.

saenbateman's avatar

@johnpowell
Maybe my thoughts are bias but so did I have a life and I did a good job, no one complained about people trolling or asking bad questions on the main page, and we let people say what they want and not let the judgments of the mods to say if the question is good enough for this website.

sanari's avatar

raredenver and saenbateman have an agenda. trollish in nature.

my statement is based on their chumminess presented in a question that was pulled this morning.

bythebay's avatar

1 time, for more detail. I couldn’t be happier with the mods here. @johnpowell is right, they keep the front page and threads from becoming bogged down with crap.

saenbateman's avatar

@sanari
People who know each other = have a agenda.

@bythebay
How can you be so sure when you have never seen the front page without supervision of the mods?

sandystrachan's avatar

If your Q has been pulled its for a reason , mine get pulled cause i type it how i say it . Rather than typing it how it should be said , so are you saying 90% of your questions are trollish ?

sanari's avatar

Some of us refresh frequently and flag questions that are inane or improperly worded. So we see the page before it’s modded.

saenbateman's avatar

@sandystrachan
Ask johnpowell he read my question today what was pulled. I would say no.

@sanari
So you have the rights to say what everyone else sees, or wants to see?

sandystrachan's avatar

If you say no then i assume the correct answer is yes . No need to fill the blanks

saenbateman's avatar

@sandystrachan
Love your logic :P That’s why I said ask johnpowell

By you saying no need to fill in the blanks I will take that as I will fill in the blanks. I’m just working off your logic.

sanari's avatar

You are trying to instigate, and I have no desire to entertain you. You aren’t even asking questions following a logical thought pattern. In no way does seeing a question before it’s flagged/modded have anything to do with censorship [ie, rights to say what everyone else sees, or wants to see ].

You are boring. Ja ne!

RareDenver's avatar

@sanari raredenver and saenbateman have an agenda. trollish in nature

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saenbateman's avatar

I just want a website that I can as questions and get good replies nothing more than that.

sandystrachan's avatar

Then ask questions that prompt decent responses , you have came to the right place just don’t be one of these

DeanV's avatar

I haven’t had any questions removed. But I rarely ask questions, I guess.

I’ve had some answers removed, though.

cookieman's avatar

Only 1 out of 30 in over a year. I’m not complaining. I think the mods do a bang-up job.

Grisaille's avatar

One, so far. T’was obviously a joke question, that’s all. I think I’ve had one or two comments removed, probably because I was defending my position to the point of lunacy.

I do that sometimes.

Tink's avatar

Probably 10% of mine

mangeons's avatar

Only a couple, when I didn’t explain the question in the title, or it was too open-ended/poll type. It’s not a big deal, and your threads are obviously pulled because either a mod found it unsuitable, or in most times, it’s been flagged by users.

Bri_L's avatar

I have had only one. It was because it was to similar to one that was asked. That was entirely my fault in that I was to excited to ask and forgot to search.

chyna's avatar

@saenbateman According to your profile, you have only been here a couple of days. How does 90% of your questions get pulled?

janbb's avatar

I think I’ve asked about 36 questions and had one pulled for editing because it was too vague. I’m very happy with the quality of the moderation here. I would not stay on the site if standards weren’t kept up.

Lightlyseared's avatar

@chyna Is it because he only posts trolling crap?

saenbateman's avatar

@Lightlyseared
Ironic
I had another account here but I deleted it because of the reason I just said, no one said any of my questions were trolling.

saenbateman's avatar

Here’s a list of questions

Is pedophilia a choice?
Are the general public hypocrites in relations to how money is spread around?
What are your views on the BNP (British National Party)?
Who’s your favorite painter?
When did you lose your virginity?
Have any of you seen Red Dwarf? (British sitcom) If so what did you think of it?
Do you find golliwogs racist?
Have you ever been to a gay pride parade?
Do you think hanging out with geekier people hinders my odds of attracting a partner?
Why isn’t the chat working?
Do you think the internet and toilet graffiti has more in common than others may assume?
Deterministic paradox? (Click to read more)

All these questions were pulled, and this is only a few.

Tink's avatar

Trolling or they sound like posts and should be better for the chatroom, some must have already been asked. Use the search button

The_Compassionate_Heretic's avatar

If you feel your questions are being modded unfairly, I would recommend speaking with the moderators. They use a clear cut criteria.

There is no conspiracy against you.

RareDenver's avatar

@saenbateman

They all seem to me to be legitimate questions.

saenbateman's avatar

@RareDenver
Yup, I’d go to /b/ to troll.

chyna's avatar

As JohnPowell said above, they are modded mostly on others flagging your questions, not the moderators stalking you. But you should talk to the mods to help you better understand why your questions are taken off.

saenbateman's avatar

@chyna
They normally say not to Fluthers quality standers, so I just abandon them.

sandystrachan's avatar

Then ask proper questions , what do you want for people to start saying off the cuff comments to you. Just so you can be rude and start an argument ?
Maybe if you deleted your last profile , you clearly don’t want to be here i hear 4chan is more suited for you and your needs . Maybe its time to delete this profile .

chyna's avatar

So why would changing your name change anything?

Tink's avatar

Well if your think your questions keep getting pulled, maybe you should change them and stop complaining!

saenbateman's avatar

Here are the first questions I asked, nothing amazing but some are ok
http://www.fluther.com/disc/38618/why-do-we-say-pin-number-effectively-you-are-saying-personal/?utm_source=asked_notify&utm_medium=email
http://www.fluther.com/disc/38707/deterministic-paradox-click-to-read-more/
http://www.fluther.com/disc/38712/was-captain-kirk-snuffed-out-every-time-he-stepped-into-the/
http://www.fluther.com/disc/39622/women-what-are-your-feeling-on-when-a-man-opens-a/?utm_source=asked_notify&utm_medium=email

They first complained because the question were open ended, they they said the title didn’t explain what it was about, I did tell them with the deterministic paradox I wouldn’t be able to do that without writing the question and that’s too long but they made em do it anyway.
I had more complains about how the questions were written.

I then starting asking questions like this.
If you went back in time to 1995 what three things would you tell them?
http://www.fluther.com/disc/39622/women-what-are-your-feeling-on-when-a-man-opens-a/?utm_source=asked_notify&utm_medium=email

I got more complains saying they’re not to standard, so I just wrote questions like what car do you like, etc.

saenbateman's avatar

@chyna
A few reasons, one being I had to spend more time on my work and two because I was fed up of the mods here.
@Tink1113
I did say a lot of the time they just say not to fluther’s quality standers, so there isn’t much I can do.

saenbateman's avatar

Here’s a list of questions I asked on airow, and I would ask similar question here if the mod would let me.

NO MORE F*CKING sequels!
I can’t stand it anymore. You can’t just keep sticking labels on these movies like American Pie..27. And stick a boob in the preview, just because you want to make an extra buck.

Get some originality think of some new movies!! Some of these movies don’t even have any connection to any of the other movies in the series. They have completely different characters than any of the previous ones, the plot doesn’t add no in anyway shape or form. These big companies just make as much money as they can from these big summer blockbusters to get rich.and they are willing to take down the reputation of great movies in the process.

Fuck NO!I don’t want to see Arnold Schwarzenegger as the terminator at 60. No I don’t want to see the Goonies 2. Just because it has the same name doesn’t make it any good. The movie industry has become too fixated on making money, than making good movies.

Does consciousness exist?
If we duplicated the information processed in a human mind into a program, would that machine running the program be consciousness of itself and it surroundings?
If someone could duplicate my brain, in another collection of molecules, would it have my consciousness?
Was captain kirk snuffed out every time he stepped into the teleporter? Would that be him on the other side or just a copy?
You have already died, as you are not the same being as you were as a child. Consciousness doesn’t exist. sentient beings only feel that is does.
we only have access and self knowledge. sentient is cognitive illusion.

If you’re an endangered animal and are not cute, there is no hope for you.

Would any of you ever us a teleporter, If an opportunity came along? Knowing technically you would be dead, as the person who comes out the other side will not be you only a copy of you. Who has the same thoughts, ideas and memories?

But the same goes for growing up. I am dead from my old body. But I am still me.
It must be embarrassing, when a medium asks a Ouija board. “Is there a spirit?” And it replies no.
Or when it reply to “What is your name, with “AryyzzzNoNoOffthetable”

If in doubt ask the all mighty magic 8 ball.

The average zygote has around 128 mutations. Working on that and the laws of probability, it is only really a matter of time before some woman in India gives birth to Wolverine or an orange.

Peer pressure works both ways.
We couldn’t only just say that drug takers fell to peer pressure to take drugs, but also the opposing. Non-drug takers fell to peer pressure not to take drugs.
So how can we define self control? The best but still flimsy example is here: Choosing to do or not do an action doesn’t imply a lack of self-control. Self-control is just being in charge of your own actions.

Only a true master can draw a circle on etch a sketch.

You know when you’re talking to a novice at computers when you say “I’ve made a ghost drive.” and their response is “I’ve made a banshee swim.”

The phase “they’re selling like hot cakes” has become obsolete because of plummeting sales on hot cakes. A more up to date version would be “their selling like Nintendo Wii’s”

People who win non-strategy games like Snakes and ladders, and then get all cocky when they win are just plain annoying.?

Assuming I didn’t know the age of these two girls what would be worse.
being attracted to an 18 year old who looks 13, or being attracted to an 13 year old who looks 18?

It’s annoying that anti-piracy companies make that same tedious piracy trailer at the beginning of every legitimately movie bought unskipable. Though the people who just illegally download their movies will never see that.

There is only one way to stop big brother watching you and that is to go on big brother itself, no one is watching that, not even big brother.

I choose my NHS (Nation Health Service) dentist over a private one, the reason why?
have you ever been to a mechanics to get your car fix? You go to get your oil changed and the next thing you know is you’re having a new head gasket and your car has been transformed into counterpart of The Homer.
The dentist could come into work thinking, “I need a new TV that’s 7 filling and two root cannels.”
We have no idea what is wrong with our teeth. You also don’t want to offend the dentist by saying no, so you will always say yes to what the dentist says.
Also I’m a scrooge.

Why do us men have a seam down our scrotum? I call it my god’s zipper.

Because of the economic crisis last week I lent out a £20 note and now I’m the third biggest lender in the UK?

Some of the most multifaceted dilemmas can be summed up in one or two pages if not a few words, so by you randomly stringing a few words together you have very small likely hood but a likely hood indeed of working out what ever pleases you.
Cow run hair fire incandescently to train subordinate proffer.
I tried, the magic 8 ball is more successful than this.

God made humans in his own image, but 65 million years before, he made dinosaurs in the image of his cousin Ted?

Zimbabwe who wants to be a millionaire has lost all of its enthusiasm.?

Yogi Maharishi is said to presses the ability to levitate and fly, which begs the question to why he owns six helicopters?

Just to say a few, some of these are not questions but I wouldn’t add them

sanari's avatar

Like I said, in cahoots. What happened to airow? Why don’t you guys make a site like fluther/airow where you can make the rules? You’re able to, I’m sure.

RareDenver's avatar

@sanari

Jay who created AiROW (Am I Right Or Wrong) sold the site, an AiROWian did bid for it but was outbid by a company called G.I. Marketing Group. Ever since then all there has been is this holding page Right or Wrong

saenbateman's avatar

@sanari
The thing is I’m not going again the rules, they just keep saying stuff like not enough information, too much information, this question is not to standard, do not write open ended, re word this, do not write polls, this is too trivial, and so on.

I just want to write questions like I did on airow, as you can see above but the mods keep holding the questions back for very small reasons.

SuperMouse's avatar

I have asked over 200 questions in the time I’ve been here and have not had a single one pulled for editing. I am fairly certain however that if one was pulled I would be understanding and make the requested changes. As far as I’m concerned the mods here rock and without them this site would not have anywhere near the quality of questions, answers, and participants that it does.

saenbateman's avatar

@SuperMouse
Well have I have just shown that isn’t true for me and the quality of my questions went down.

cak's avatar

@saenbateman“I just want to write questions like I did on airow…”

That’s the problem, airow is no longer there and you still want to be on airow. This isn’t airow. Accept the fact that there are different standards – I’m not saying better or worse, just different and you run the risk of getting modded when you post a question. Not that being modded is like getting cancer, AIDs or say the plague. It’s mainly just for someone to clarify the questions.

Also, quit jumping on the mods. I really wonder how many members flagged your questions, versus the very unlikely chance that a mod caught all of your questions, without responding to the flags that they were probably responding to. Maybe people flagged them because they were similar to other questions that have been asked, or they thought they weren’t up to Fluther Standards.

Fluther isn’t Airow, Airow wasn’t Fluther. However, Airow is gone and Fluther is not…it’s time to accept fluther’s guidelines and participate or find other websites that just might appeal to you more.

saenbateman's avatar

@cak
I’m mainly having ago at the fact most of my questions get moderated, like I said I can’t see anything wrong with most of my questions that are took back if I could why would I complain?

Why is this against the rules “Have you ever been to a gay pride parade?”
or any of these
Is pedophilia a choice?
Are the general public hypocrites in relations to how money is spread around?
What are your views on the BNP (British National Party)?
Who’s your favorite painter?
When did you lose your virginity?
Have any of you seen Red Dwarf? (British sitcom) If so what did you think of it?
Do you find golliwogs racist?
Have you ever been to a gay pride parade?
Do you think hanging out with geekier people hinders my odds of attracting a partner?
Why isn’t the chat working?
Do you think the internet and toilet graffiti has more in common than others may assume?

Your mods are stopping me write any good questions that’s why I have to write the crap that I do.

chyna's avatar

@saenbateman So is this question just a sneaky way of you getting to ask all your questions five different times?

saenbateman's avatar

@chyna
Just asking what is wrong with them to be pulled back.

chyna's avatar

But you sited them 5 times. Enough already.

saenbateman's avatar

@chyna
We all know these questions were unfairly modded
And that is only the second time

Almost none of my questions go against the rules in anyway

chyna's avatar

Five times in this thread alone. Go back and look.

saenbateman's avatar

@chyna
no I had a lot of myndecho’s but not mine
anyway you have avoided that the mods are unfair

chyna's avatar

I answered that above. But to reiterate, they are not unfair. I think they do a great job.
You need to talk to them, not put it out here for us to discuss because we don’t know their reasoning. And you are Myndecho/saenbateman, one and the same. I’m off this thread now.

saenbateman's avatar

I’ll say it one last time they say the questions are not good enough

sandystrachan's avatar

Are you still here ?
Shouldn’t you get a life ?? ?

OpryLeigh's avatar

More than I would like, I still can’t get the hang of what is a worthy question and what isn’t. That is the only thing that bugs me (but only slightly, after all I do keep coming back) about Fluther. Sometimes my questions don’t live up to the mods standards and I often give up on editing questions that have been bought to my attention because nothing I change it to seems to get accepted. This is particularly irritating when I genuinly want to know what people think about certain things.

My biggest annoyance with this is when questions aren’t allowed due to them being to much like a poll. I don’t want to ask the question in the chat room.

mangeons's avatar

We all agree that they were all unfairly modded? That’s funny, I don’t remember agreeing to that. My mother is a mod, and I admire her and all the other mods, they do a great job, if you don’t like it, then leave. I’m sure no one will have a problem with that.

sanari's avatar

I just want to write questions like I did on airow, as you can see above but the mods keep holding the questions back for very small reasons.

Herein lies the problem. Abide by the rules or get to steppin’. [southern for ‘hit the road’]

What makes a good question (or: how do I make sure it doesn’t get moderated?)
Well-written, genuine questions provoke the best and most thoughtful answers. Obviously, make sure you spell-check, try to use proper capitalization and grammar, and select appropriate topics.

If your question is a legitimate query for a solution, like “Why is my bike tire always going flat?”, or “How long should it take for my xbox to return back from service?”, or “Which is a better name for my new business?”, it will most likely stay.

If your question is more open-ended, like “Is there any other cookie as good as a chocolate chip cookie?”, it may be moderated. In general, if your question inspires thoughtful discussion, and/or is particularly creative, and shows effort (so make sure you add details and give examples!), it probably won’t get moderated.

If your question is an attempt to connect with people (as opposed to an attempt to figure something out), like “Where is everyone from?” or “How old is everyone?” or “Are the Jonas Brothers lame?”, or it’s a yes-or-no, this-or-that question, it will probably be moderated — those questions are better suited for the chatroom.

We also reserve the right to remove borderline questions that won’t clearly provoke useful or thoughtful discussion depending on the overall quality and types of questions of the day. [italics mine]

wundayatta's avatar

I’ve asked 433 questions, and I believe four of them have been pulled. Of those, only one should have been pulled. The very first one. Interestingly, when I rewrote them, putting in details that basically bashed the mods for ruining my questions, they allowed me to post them. Weird. One of those questions disappeared because I didn’t know what I was doing. Two other were successfully modified and placed. Of course, they were ruined, but so what?

The trick is in the details. You need to add enough details in order that a reasonable person can answer your question, or understand where you are headed. Your list of questions sounds fine, but since you don’t include the details, it’s impossible to tell.

My problem is that there are times when I do not want to prejudice people in favor of one answer or another. I want people to make their own interpretation of the question, because the question is about how they would interpret the language of the question.

The problem is, if I say that, it calls attention to what I’m doing, and I don’t get any good answers. But if I don’t say that, the question is pulled, so I don’t get any answers. The trick, which I haven’t figured out yet, is how to say enough in the details so that it sounds like I’m adding detail, when, in fact, I’m saying nothing.

The fact of the matter is that you can not ask questions here that allow people to open their imaginations. You have to constrain imagination in order to get a question through. It’s particularly annoying for me, since I really enjoy helping people to open their minds. This is why we get so many of the same questions over and over, and why people tend to get so pedantic about their questions and answers.

However, it’s what Bendrew wants, and they own the place, so that’s how it is. Various moderators are stricter than others. Some seem to be pretty anal. Since they never sign their names, it’s hard to know who is who. The rule, however, is that once a moderator has made a decision, all the other moderators have to back them up. So you can never have any real discussion of why you were moderated. In any case, their standard line is to read the rules, as if it’s all there, and there’s no need to interpret the rules.

Periodically, Bendrew will say they want the mods to behave differently, and then there is this crackdown, which no one can explain. After a few days, they lay off, and things get a bit lax again. It’s kind of like the lifeguards at my pool. Everyone has their own interpretation of the rules, and since the mods are gods, they don’t have to explain anything. Thus, the whimsy involved in these decisions.

In any case, there’s nothing that can be done about it, except to endure it, and to give up on your more creative or interesting questions. Sometimes you can figure a way to get a question through as you intend, even though it’s against the rules, but that’s pretty rare.

In general, this is a pretty wonderful site. And, as everyone says, the mods are human. However, there is no appeals process, and no identification of who made the decision, so the mods are gods, as capricious as the gods on Mount Olympus.

bythebay's avatar

I’ve only been here for 7 months or so, but I have been here long enough to realize a few key facts.

1. I like a moderated site; if I didn’t I could leave.
2. Moderation keeps things in check, moderate, and controlled.
3. I don’t “own” Fluther, I’m merely a guest and a non-paying one at that. And if I don’t like it, I can leave.
4. Lots of people complain about the moderation; I don’t understand that – because they can leave at anytime.
5. There are a lot of psychos & assholes & trolls on the internet; I prefer not to be subjected to their drivel. Moderators here help to keep them at bay. I’m grateful.
6. People come here often to complain about how it’s unfair, unjust, biased, cliquey, controlled, cultish, and not like other places. What I don’t get is, why are they still here? Nobody is making anyone stay. You can always leave.
7. I like Fluther; if there ever comes a time when I don’t, I can always leave.

cak's avatar

@bythebay perfect! lurve.

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