Does anyone believe the conspiracy theories behind 9/11, about it being a set up by the us government?

Not me, but a few conspiracy-theorists seem to.

Who cares? Unless you were on those flights, I’m not interested.

Not me.

But I am pretty sure that Rummy, Wolfowitz, Cheney, and Bush weren’t that upset about it. It got them into Iraq.

No. I’ll refrain from speaking further, as I’m a resident New Yorker.

Everyone here has had someone who passed, knows someone who was related to someone who passed, knows someone who knows someone who passed, etc. We take this personally.

If you’ve been in the Towers before the incident, Ground Zero is much more to you than a hole in the ground.

I don’t live anywhere near New York, but I still know people who were killed on 9/11, and others who were greatly affected by it. And the look on Bush’s face when he was told (as he was reading to a class of little kids) tells me he sure didn’t know anything about it. The fact that he and his administration used it to go after Saddam was just quick thinking on their part.

let’s just say it would not have been their first false flag operation.

Oh, and because this is relevant, check this out.

I’ve only watched it twice, because I get very emotional when I sit through it. Fantastic poem.

P.S. I’m very much aware that New Yorkers shouldn’t take 9.11 conspiracy theories personally and should always question what happened that day. All I’m trying to say is that all of the theories I’ve seen have been debunked, ruled out, or are based on wild-ass assumptions.

That said, I’d love to see some wingnut theorist say, “No one died that day, it was just a hoax” to a father of someone that died that day.

I’d pay money to see that.

“That said, I’d love to see some wingnut theorist say, “No one died that day, it was just a hoax” to a father of someone that died that day.”
no one is claiming something like that.

I’m pretty sure kevbo, our resident conspiracy expert does. I lurve him, but he hasn’t convinced me yet.

Nothing you can say to conspiracy theorist will ever change their mind. It is a waste of time. Look at all the “birther” fools still saying Obama was born in Kenya. It is nonsense and they need to be ignored.

A guy walks into a bar and finds bush, cheney, and rumsfeld all sitting around a table in the corner talking. The guy walks up to them and says “hey what are u guys talking about?” Cheney replies: “well kid we’re planning the invasion of iraq…were gonna kill 5,000 terrorists, 1,000 civilians and 1 bicycle repairman.” The guy says: “why are you gonna kill a bicycle repairman?” Rumsfeld then shouts: “See! I told you no one was gonna give a shit about the 1,000 civilians!”

Only in America it’s still to called a conspirancy! Realy the world knows and we all think it’s aweful. There just seems to be a small selection of Americans that think it maybe wasn’t about oil and Osama suddenly had the urge to set up an atack like that to… to what?

Hmm sorry folks direct payments from the bush family to the bin laden family.. explosives in the building.. no plane (or security tape) at the pentagon.. no high ranked officials in the buildings at the time.. the plans of such an atack written in white house documents..
Those are all facts. Now believe what you want but the counter-story that Albanians spontaniously got very evil in their minds is only fed to you by the TV.
And then everyone agrees America has the right to bring down complete stable governments cause they have oil.. call them terrorists and themselfs peace-bringers.

Rebuilding, fuck that.. last soldier that told in fromnt of the press what their real mission was got fired, had an ‘accident’ and no memorial! The whole world makes a newsitem from such a disgrace, the complete UN tells US to stop.. still.. within US borders, the term terrorists is being used and everyone still believes US did good to the world!

Think! Don’t take the news there for truth. It is not a conspirancy that the US has the most manipulative government out there.

@johnpowell That’s actually pretty goddamn funny to me. I recently saw a town-hall meeting where a woman in the audience asked the panel, “We know Obama is not an American. * insert long-winded, factually inaccurate, half-assed attempt at “proof” * When do we get our country back?!”

The place erupted in cheers. Seriously, these guys are so fucking nuts, it’s hilarious.

@ragingloli I’m almost positive I’ve read theories similar to that before. Let me see if I can dig up a link.

I hadn’t ever heard that the Albanians got very evil in their minds. Are you spreading rumors?

@martijn86 As an American who lived very near Washington, DC at the time of the attacks (and whose husband used to work at the Pentagon) I can tell you without a doubt… there was a plane crashed into the Pentagon. I don’t know where you’re getting your news, but it’s factually incorrect.

Oh, it seems some assclown has already made the case for me, @ragingloli.

I won’t say who, though. Shh.

Here is a thread you might find interesting.

yeah, bush set it up to get into Iraq, and the moon landing was faked, too. The us govt just paid everybody at NASA off to keep it a secret. The whole thing was filmed in Hollywood’s basement, to paraphrase Anthony Kiedis. ~

@evelyns_pet_zebra I actually starred in a “movie” filmed in Hollywood’s basement.

It’s floating around the internet somewhere. Just search “Rod Steel”.

I haven’t seen sufficient evidence to suggest that any of these 9/11 conspiracies have any credibility.

Albanians as in citizens of Albany, NY? Seems a little extreme to me…

I don’t believe all the conspiracy theories surrounding the events of 9/11 but there is a lot more about that day we will never no about. I strongly believe than the US (and possibly the UK as well) has hands that are not clean.

A lot of people believe in conspiracies, of course, but have no proof. Once they have a logical proof, I will entertain their opinion. Until then, I just dismiss them.

No.

I agree with @AstroChuck. I don’t think that George Bush planned the attacks of September the 11th (we all know he’s not that smart…) but there are just too many holes in the story from me. I would never say that no one died. The attacks happened, the people died, the buildings clearly fell. But from what I’ve read, it doesn’t all add up, and I have a lot of questions. I can’t take what we’ve all been told at face value.

edit: ...know about.

The conspiracy theories, no I don’t believe them at all. But in a sense, yes the government was responsible for the attacks, in that Osama attacked America due to America’s involvement (read: meddling) with the affairs of the Middle East during the past century. And yes, they took advantage of that attack to rally their populace’s support for invading a country which had nothing to do with the attack, based on claims which were later proven to be false. Look at Dick Cheney’s ties to Haliburton, it’s clear that they profited off of the invasion. Would I say that the US government orchestrated the attacks? No (I don’t give them that much credibility at all), but they sure did use the attacks to their benefit.

@Grisaille, wonderful poem. Thank you for sharing that.

I’ve said plenty on this subject in other threads. What I’ll add is how surreal it is to see so many “truthful” interpretations of the same event that we all saw happen (more or less equitably) with each of us earnestly believing our hypothesis is the most reasonable. And how, for example, folks who share @dynamicduo ‘s POV no doubt feel that “flag wavers” are naive and conspiracy theorists are nuts.

The intersting thing is that if you get enough “complacent” or agreeable opinions, you can run with your agenda (e.g. bending aggression towards Iraq). The whole phenomenon really makes me believe in magic(k) and mob/mind control, which leads to a whole ‘notha discussion about propaganda and education in the U.S.

@kevbo ‘Welcome.

Funny thing is, she wrote this years ago, yet it holds even stronger today.

Not at all.

@CIA, that is just what we would expect you to say.

nope. lol @CIA