Is there no limit to how far humanity can fall?

Wow. Even worse than that story was the comments left on the page. Apparently there is no limit.

@jeffgoldblumsprivatefacilities my thoughts exactly. had to leave a reply to someone who essentially said we should just take the mother out behind the chemical shed and shoot her. My faith in the common man has dropped with every year I age.

We do not know the circumstances. I am not defending her, but if she suffered PPP (post partum psychosis) she will break out of the psychosis and want to kill herself for what she has done.

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^ shocked face

Edit: @casheroo I don’t know what PPP makes people do but does that explain the partial cannibalism too?

That’s inhuman depravity in its finest form. Very sad and disturbing.

It hurts my heart so terribly. It is indeed a horrific story. @casharoo, it has to be post partum psychosis. Years ago a friend of mine was diagnosed this before anything could happened. That was because my friend knew something was wrong with her mental state. She and her husband gave their daughter to his parents until there doctors said she was no threat.

I didn’t watch the video or read the comments…..I couldn’t

I couldn’t get past the headline. :(

@whatthefluther and @Supacase Me neither. I read the headline and closed the page. I read a horrific story about child abuse the other day (I won’t give details) and can’t stop thinking about it.

<cries>

@casheroo. That apparently occurred already. The video clip stated that she stabbed herself in the chest and stomach after doing what she did to her child. She is now under constant surveillance while in custody. (Probably a suicide watch)

Oh…how awful. Completely awful.

Knowing someone that went through PPP, she was separated from her baby, for the safety of the baby. When they were together, they were closely watched. It was so sad and horrible.

Whether that was the underlying cause or not, a baby is dead, in a horrible manner and it’s just (to me) another example at the pain and cruelty humans can inflict on one another. My gut is to say all kinds of horrible things about this woman, and what should be done to her – but I think I just need to stop here.

::sigh:: I wonder, how long had this mother been left alone with the child? Was there no one in her life that kept an eye on her and would’ve been able to notice any signs of trouble? That poor baby.

@Bluefreedom Psychosis isn’t broken instantly. So, I’m doubtful about that, she may have stabbed herself, thinking she was sacrificing herself or something.

I do hope people know PPD and PPP are completely different. PPD is very common, and does not mean a woman will kill her baby, but she is severely depressed and needs help to get better.

I was so incredibly saddened by this story I can’t put it into words. The woman is of course responsible for her actions but where was that baby’s father and the doctors who knew this woman suffered severe mental illness before the baby even arrived? According to this article this woman was ”‘in and out’ of a psychiatric ward”. I read somewhere else that she was diagnosed as schizophrenic and bi-polar, both of this increase the risk of PPP.

I think this makes me very defensive. I have a child, I’ve been in and out of a mental hospital, I’ve been diagnosed with bi-polar. You cannot say that a woman like that is automatically going to kill her child. No one can ever predict such an event, and you can’t just take a baby away for someone’s past. That would mean they would have taken my son at birth.

@casheroo I’m sorry if I offended you, I am bi-polar as well, so I didn’t mean any offense.
As I understand it, this woman had been unstable for a long time and had never been stabilized. It is documented that women such as these do have an increased risk of suffering with PPP. I am not saying that women who deal with mental illness should not have children. I just believe that all new mothers especially those with more complicated medical histories should have lots and lots of support and post-partum care to help guard against atrocities such as these.

@SuperMouse I didn’t take any offense! I understand! I do wonder if she did anything to prevent it. I stayed in therapy my entire pregnancy and until I son was six months old, mainly out of fear of getting PPD. I had my family watching over me, because we were all thinking it was inevitable, but I didn’t have any problems..and I’m glad I was so proactive to prevent it from developing or getting out of hand if it did happen.
I personally think therapy should be mandatory after having a child lol. Just to make sure the mother is coping, and sometimes she just needs someone to talk to. I wish that sort of thing would be free for all mothers.

We seem to be inundated with horrific stories such as this on an almost daily basis. I just wonder if in years gone by, this sort of thing always happened at different places in the world but without the internet or television to publicize it, and the media and public’s insatiable thirst for the bizzare, the rest of us never found out. This woman must have had some sort of mental illness.

Why has all of humanity fallen with the actions of one person? What a horrible occurrence for everyone involved.

There is a limit, but apparently we still have not reached it. Maybe I will see it before I die, but I hope not.

@casheroo – I agree with you, 100%. I do think therapy should be mandatory after having a baby. The person I knew with PPP was someone that had a long standing mental illness and struggled. She had such a hard time and people thought she was awful for being the way she was with her baby. She wasn’t awful, here, someone that struggled with an illness for the balance of her life was the one person that was wise enough to scream (literally) for help. If anything, due to her illnesses, she knew there was a huge problem. I hurt for her, she longed for a baby and when she had the baby, it just wasn’t that outcome that parents hope for.

Not just PPP, but Schizophrenia as well. She was being treated for that, but had gone AWOL from the hospital, or whoever was treating her.

From the details of the story, it seems very likely that she was insane at the time, and should be in treatment for her schizophrenia. She sounds just as unhappy about murdering her baby as everyone else is. I believe her. What I don’t understand is why she didn’t stick with her treatment before. I wonder if she will try to stick with it now. Not that it’ll be any good, now that she’s a child murderer.

When mental illness is involved, I don’t think there is any limit to how far humanity can fall. However, I’m not sure it’s fair to say we’re falling. It’s hard for anyone who has not been mentally ill to understand what the illness feels like, and how it can make things like this happen. This is not to excuse it—just explain it.

She was responsible for not getting treated, although I’ll bet there are cultural barriers there. It sounds like she was hispanic and highly religious. I don’t know how well educated she was, but I do know that when things are interpreted via religious points of view, they do believe it was the devil that made them do it. They can seek treatment from priests and witch doctors, and that’s not going to help. These are the combinations of circumstances that can result in this kind of depravity.

@All
It was a poor choice in words I admit, I didn’t so much mean that this woman in particular was a bad person, etc etc etc. Just that given the “perfect storm” of bad circumstances, there is no limit to how far a human being can slide.

I read a couple of different versions of this story and it’s stuck with me in this kinda traumatic way ever since – including bad dreams last night. The violence and what she did after killing her child is so inhumanely psychotic, if she ever does ‘come to’ and remembers what she did or how, she would need to be sedated for the rest of her life.

She was definitely mentally ill beforehand and it seems the Post Partum symptoms may have set off the potential psychosis. Man. This could bring up an interesting new right-to-die case. If I were her, I’d ask for the death penalty.

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