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What are your associations / thoughts on Germany?

Asked by mattbrowne (31735points) August 1st, 2009

Well, this question was inspired by the recent Fluther question ‘What is a good German name for a kitten?’ and some of the responses it generated. My answer was this:

Please no names from the Third Reich. When you have visitors from Germany (maybe at some point in the future, you never know) and you introduce your cat as Himmler or Der Führer, the visitors will be very offended. I’m not kidding. Panzerfaust might be viewed as being mildly funny, especially when your cat is very aggressive, but again it gives the impression that your association with Germany is mainly about Nazism and the second world war. Your German visitors would silently pity you as an ignorant American while trying to remain polite.

Suppose Barack Obama visits Germany and Angela Merkel introduces her cat to him, a tomcat she named Jim Crow. Now what would Mr. President think of that?

Seriously, when you think of Germany are the first things that come to mind Hitler, the holocaust and anti-tank weapons? What about Martin Luther, Bach, Goethe, Einstein and Heisenberg? What about the peaceful revolution and reunification? What about Audi, Mercedes and BMW? Do you think the Germany of 2009 is different from the one in 1933 or 1939?

Please share with me what your associations / your thoughts on Germany are. The answers don’t have to be nice. Please be honest.

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The_Compassionate_Heretic's avatar

I think of Germany as making good cars, good food and good beer.
I also think of the reunification.

I also think of Merkel getting felt up by GW Bush.

allansmithee's avatar

I think of Germany’s great scientists, philosopher and it’s varied history, mostly the last 300 years. I also think about both world wars, mostly the second.
I personally feel it’s one of the greatest counties in the world, but that’s my own thoughts.

Vincentt's avatar

Of course Germany (or, let’s say, most Germans) isn’t Nazist anymore. Humour can often be interpreted as insulting. Big deal.

My first association with Germany is that I find their language (or the German accent applied to other languages) to be extremely ugly and unpleasant sounding, and it even makes me fall asleep now and then (which will also be influenced by me taking effort to understand what someone’s saying).

Oh, and there’s “germ” in the name. Haha.

casheroo's avatar

I don’t know much about Germany. I know my brother had a German exchange student, he was very reserved and modest. I remember coming out of the shower (I was 14 he was 16) and I had a towel on and went into my parents room…he immediately began shielding his eyes and ran out the room. Of course we found this amusing, but I think it showed a cultural difference. So, that’s the only interaction with a German I’ve had.

I view them as having great food, I love going to Oktoberfest in my area. I’m not big on beer, so I wouldn’t know what a good one taste like. That’s the extent of my knowledge. I don’t think anything bad of them, or the country itself. There are parts I know you shouldn’t go to, but that’s true for a lot of places in the US as well.

Resonantscythe's avatar

For me the first thing that comes to mind is the cars. My father always loved and constantly talked about the quality of cars and even though Toyota’s are his favorite, he did always respect the German prowess. Not to mention the overall beauty of the cars. (except some of the more expensive benz’ they look too retro-futuristic)

The second thing I think of Is the war I won’t lie about that. Too many movies seen, books read, games played, Etc. about WW2. I grew up constantly hearing about it, about the holocaust and people cracking jokes at Hitler’s mustache. Learning about it has always been given some time in my life as well as others, so to say that isn’t one of the first things to come to mind would be an awful lie. And I wouldn’t avoid talking about it either because it doesn’t help the matter.

Third thing I think of is the reputation it seems to have in movies; the beer, patriotism, aggressive nature etc. Not that I believe they act in all the ways show, just that I take notice of the habit.

samanthabarnum's avatar

Right off the bat, I think Nazis. But if I think about it, I do tend to think about schnitzel, beer, blond girls in braids, yodeling (wait, that’s not Germany, is it?), and cars. I think about the really fast highway, the Autobahn? I don’t know how to spell that one. I also think about my grandpa, being shot. I think about my best friend’s family, who is from there, and my stepmother’s heritage. I think about people from the internet I know from there.

Do people’s perceptions of a country really matter though?

aprilsimnel's avatar

I grew up in a place with heavy German influence, so my first associations are not with Nazism, but with food and music and dancing. I think of how German is a difficult language and I only know a few words. I think of Bach, yes. I think of discipline and precision when I think of Germany, and unfortunately of sterility and über-cleanliness for some reason.

Plus, I think of Germans as big people. My three German bio-cousins (and the two half-German girls my surrogate mom adopted late in her life) are rather large and stocky.

teh_kvlt_liberal's avatar

Sauerkraut, beer and Teutonic thrash

FrogOnFire's avatar

I think of pure awesomeness because I’m part German.

Vincentt's avatar

Oh, another thing I think of: they can afford to do, and will do, a lot within the European Union (like breaking agreements on economic progress without having to pay fines) that the other, smaller countries won’t really do anything about, because they’re, well, smaller. Same goes for France.

@samanthabarnum Sure it matters, for Germans. The country you grew up in greatly influenced your personality, so what people think of your country they also sort of think of you, to some extent. It’s just this sense of pride you feel ;-)

Sarcasm's avatar

The food and the music are my first thoughts.
For the record, I contributed to the kitty name thread without a war-related name.

RareDenver's avatar

I used to live in Germany, I love the country, I think of the great food and beer and swimming pools, Swimming seems to be a very popular past time in Germany.

Vincentt's avatar

Btw, people, with “great food”, we’re talking Bratwursten, right? ^.^

Sarcasm's avatar

Bratwursten? Hah! More like sauerkraut!
I love me some fermented cabbage!
Back in my first semester of German classes, I went to a little German culture thing, not knowing what sauerkraut was. The room was dark, and it wasn’t labeled. I thought “Cool! German mashed potatoes!”. Was definitely not cool

RareDenver's avatar

@Vincentt and Schnitzel and Frikadeller and Frankfurters and Knackwürste and Bockwürste

Zendo's avatar

I immediately think of Frauleins. Beautiful frauleins. Why would anyone associate nazis with Germany? We kicked their kraut butts long ago, and even nuked their axis chums in the Pacific.
However, you should note that the nazi movement is still alive in Germany…funded no doubt by American creeps in the brotherhood.

mammal's avatar

I can’t imagine western philosophy without the German big guns, they just seemed to get bigger and bigger. Sadly the ideological and intellectual confidence spilled over into a grotesquely vindictive movement, that sought to manufacture the material conditions that could withstand the encroachment of the great economic superpowers of the day.

AstroChuck's avatar

@casheroo- Great food? Really? This is Germany we are talking about, right?

doggywuv's avatar

To be honest, I think of calm, intelligent people, with a wonderful and pleasant culture.

dUc0N's avatar

@AstroChuck – Yes, really. Take it from someone who lived there 4½ years, the food is excellent. You have to be trying to find food that’s not. See this wikipedia page for examples.

A couple points on Nazism from my perspective as well:
– When I think of Germany, I mostly think about beer, the autobahn (which isn’t without speed limits… there are just isolated stretches with no limit), and some of my friends who still live there. Anything related to Nazis is far enough down on the list that it really doesn’t occur to me by chance.
– The most I’ve heard about Nazis in modern-day Germany, would be the Neo Nazis, or “skinheads” as they’re frequently called by us Westerners. Every nation has its loons, though… Ireland has the IRA, Germany has the skinheads, and we in the US have plenty (to include factions of lots of other countries’ crazies). Even so, you rarely hear about skinheads in Germany.

OpryLeigh's avatar

My mother used to run a youth exchange between, my then hometown, and Hildesheim and so we would often have visitors from the town staying with us and then we would go to stay with them later in the year. I LOVE Germany and the people I met there. Because we were there on an exchange we would go on a lot of educational trips around the country one of which was Bergen Belsen and so we got to learn a lot about the German way of life. From what I have personally experienced about the country, I don’t have anything negative to say.

PandoraBoxx's avatar

work ethic, orderliness.

mammal's avatar

@dUcON why are the IRA Loons?

whitenoise's avatar

I think of Germany as our easter province.

Nice place with nice people, pretty much the same as the Dutch, be it a bit more formal.

After all, everyone knows that the German language is actually derived from Dutch ;-)

RareDenver's avatar

@Leanne1986 I’ve been to Hildesheim, nice town. I used to live near Bergen Belsen.

Here on Hoppenstedter Str

dUc0N's avatar

@mammal – Sorry, I should’ve been more clear. I didn’t mean the original IRA. Rather, I meant the True IRA, which carries out terrorist attacks seeking to get the British out of Ireland.

dpworkin's avatar

I’m afraid I might be hopelessly prejudiced. I wish it were not so. I read Goethe, I love Beethoven, I admire Schiller, but I was born in April of 1949, just 4 years after Hitler’s death, and the history of Nazi Germany is inextricably connected with the history of my family.

In the Summer of 1941, in my mother’s tiny home town of Zlotypol (such an optimistic name: City of Gold!) in the Ukriane, Einsatzgruppen attached to the Nazi invasion force suddenly appeared. At gunpoint, the men and strong boys of the shtetl were brought to the forest, handed shovels, and told to dig a pit. They dug a pit. It was about 3 meters deep, 3 or 4 meters wide and maybe 10 meters long, this pit. It took 20 or 30 men all day to finish the digging.

The next morning, quite early, the entire population, men, women, boys, girls, babies and grandparents, was stripped naked, and marched to the pit. They were instructed to make orderly rows, one behind another, on the edge of one of the long sides of the pit. The plan was really remarkably efficient. As each line of Jews was shot, (the preferred shot was called the genichtschuss which meant to the back of the neck) they would tumble forward from the force of the impact, and fall into the pit, filling it with one neat row of dead or dying human sardines.

Then the next row would take its place in line, and upon being shot would land atop the first row, and then the next frightened souls, now well aware of what was about to become of them, would step forward to be shot, and so on until the pit was nearly full. Then a layer of earth was shoveled in by the Germans, neatly covering the still writhing and moaning and bleeding mass, which soaked the earth and turned the mud red with Jewish blood.

When I was a kid, and was told that Zlotypol, the City of Gold, had been “wiped out”, I imagined that bulldozers had come and leveled the huts, leaving my relatives without homes. It was not until much later that I realized that it was the people who had been leveled, and the homes had been left to stand without folk.

Vincentt's avatar

@Sarcasm Ugh, sauerkraut. When I was in Vienna a few months ago, someone decided to buy sauerkraut-juice. Smelt exactly like sauerkraut, tasted even worse. Sauerkraut’s not German though, you English-speaking people just use the German term for it. It’s not like the Germans invented schadenfreude, too ;-)

@Zendo Of course, there are also (Neo-)Nazi movements active in other countries. I believe (without factual evidence) it was relatively big in Russia, for example.

Darwin's avatar

My relationship with Germany is very complex. Many of my ancestors are from Germany and much of what I consider normal family behavior is derived from German traditions brought over specifically by my great grandfather and passed on through his son to my father and thence to me. We also have many family tales relating to Germany, many of which have been confirmed by my father’s formalizing of our family history.

German food, German music, German literature, German history, and German traditions have always been a part of our family, even though many of my other ancestors hail from very different parts of the world.

Originally, some of my ancestors went to Germany from France because they were Hueguenots (French Protestants). However, once there they married into Jewish families, possibly because Catholic families wouldn’t have them. Next, though, they converted to Catholicism and worked their way into the minor nobility. “Ever willing to change in order to fit in and avoid persecution” should probably have been the family motto back then.

However, we apparently developed a social conscience and an inability to keep quiet after that. My great grandfather left Germany because of problems with the Kaiser that labeled him a political enemy. He had grown up as one of a number of sons of a Baron and attended Heidelberg University, participating in both sword play and a singing group (a liederkranz). Trained as an architect, he fled Germany to avoid arrest, and arrived in New York by way of Ellis Island. He found work at first as a cabinet maker, but eventually re-established himself as an architect, building office buildings in New York City. He wanted to be fully American, so he dropped the “von” from our last name, and he converted from Catholicism to Protestantism.

His son, my grandfather, grew up in New York speaking English, German, French, Polish and Yiddish, and eventually joined the US Army during WWI. He was sent to Poland to serve as a translator and was exposed to mustard gas. After he recovered he moved to Texas to find a dry climate to soothe his injured lungs. He met a local girl and married her.

Apparently his siblings and their children continued to be out-spoken, so that in the 1930’s my grandfather, who had moved to Chile for work and had, of course, added Spanish to his languages, was approached by representatives of the Third Reich and told that he had inherited the family title. That meant that all of his uncles and his male cousins were dead, in large part because they spoke out against the Nazis. He actually picked one of the men up by his collar and the seat of his trousers and threw him into the sewer because he was very well aware what their announcement meant.

When my father was old enough he was sent to the US to learn English (he already spoke Spanish, French and German, and would later learn Cantonese and Dutch). As World War II broke out he went to enlist so he could fight the Nazis, but because of his “family ties” to Germany and his ability to speak German, the military chose to send him to fight in the Pacific. During WWII, the big family house in Frankfort was flattened by bombing, and after the war the family estate ended up in the east, where it apparently lies under a factory of some sort today. Someone must have survived, though, because there has been a famous German soccer star with our last name, with just the one s but no von.

In any case, the Germans I have met here in the US or in Spain or South America have all been nice people, open to new experiences, but quite disappointed that I don’t speak German very well myself. Apparently I look very German, even though I have a very mixed ancestry.

One odd thing I always remember is that my grandfather always insisted that the doors to the various rooms of the house be kept closed. He was taught that by his father and always claimed it was “the German way.” I don’t know about that, but, while it might be an excellent idea in a cold climate where you don’t have central heating, he spent most of his adult life in hot, dry areas, where air flow is beneficial.

mcbealer's avatar

My brain goes into German mode, recollecting all the German I still remember… then there’s the friends… family members… beer… food… the VWs… oh yeah and I’m a sucker for blue eyes, so I also think about all the German guys I know with lovely deep blue eyes… sigh

Darwin's avatar

My daughter drives a VW New Beetle, and longs for a Mercedes. She needs to get a job.

seekingwolf's avatar

I’m half German. My family has been in the US for almost a century but they took care to preserve their culture and only married only Germans (well, until my father that is, LOL).

when I think of Germany, I think of my family. Good alcohol tolerance, Lutheran, quiet reserved and polite, voluptuous…we have a strong history and I am proud of it. People who say all Germans are Nazis can go sodomize themselves. I had family in Germany at the time but we didn’t do anything and we still feel bad about it. For fuck’s sake I wish some would leave the Germans alone about that issue. Many still feel very ashamed.

The German people, just like other peoples, should be defined and known for their culture, their accomplishments, their interests, and their quirks. Don’t dwell on the past; learn from it.

tigran's avatar

I think of techno, unts unts unts, and mechanical precision to the max, and quality products. Not a big fan of the food, would like to see Berlin, but no other tourist destination come to mind.

MacBean's avatar

Lederhosen, dirndls, beer, sausage, oompah music… So… basically, Oktoberfest?

RareDenver's avatar

@tigran Berlin is a fucking cool city but you should visit Berchtesgarden it is an amazing place for a holiday. I need to go back.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

I think of Germany historically, because I haven’t ever visited Germany and my interest in Europe is mostly historical. I suppose suggesting naming a kitten from a popular 1940’s slogan was in poor taste. but then I am obviously an ignorant American.

Germany reminds me of bier, bratwurst, and BMWs.

ShanEnri's avatar

When I think of Germany I always think military. We lived there when I was too young to remember, because my biological father was stationed there. My oldest brother was stationed there as well. And a couple friends of mine and/or their husbands were stationed there as well. I also vaguely remember a puppy named Fritz that my father threw out of a 9th (not sure about the floor, but it was high up) floor window.

RareDenver's avatar

@ShanEnri why the fuck did he throw a puppy out of a window?

teh_kvlt_liberal's avatar

Yeah, why?! Animal abuse makes me nauseous, I feel like I’m going to puke…

dUc0N's avatar

@ShanEnri – Kinda like in UHF by Weird Al? (Warning: simulated puppy abuse behind the link. =-P)

mcbealer's avatar

I forgot to mention 2 very dear and important associations (shhhhhhhh! don’t tell them!)
my black lab/border collie named Matilda and my weimaraner named Gertrude

Jack79's avatar

Who’s Jim Crow? I’d think that Merkel naming her cat “Dubyah” would be bad enough.

I have actually lived in Germany, and had a wonderful time there, so my associations are very different. When I think of Germany I think of Dresden and my friends there. I find the Ossies to be wonderful people, despite the funny accent (which I find cute). There are several things I don’t like about West Germans to be honest, which I was recently reminded of when I hosted two Wessies. The girl was ok, but the boy sounded very much like our European image of the average American. But still, that’s a long way from the 1930s, which again, compared to the rest of the world, was not as extreme as it sounds today.

People sometimes assume 1930s Germany was full of Nazis and had all the problems we see in films (which is mainly true), but that everywhere else was like it is today, without racism, nationalism, aggression etc. Which of course is not. The apartheid policy was still in place in S.Africa just over a decade ago, and Communism was not exactly the fair and peace-loving system it promised to be. So 1930s Germany was worse than everywhere else, but not by that far. It wasn’t as if the British parliament was full of blacks, or that the US president was Jewish.

Jack79's avatar

ah ok, I knew about all that, thought it was a person. Thanks astro.

ShanEnri's avatar

@teh_kvlt_liberal & @RareDenver He was an abusive man! He abused my mom and us! The puppy was jsut another “punching bag” to him.

teh_kvlt_liberal's avatar

@ShanEnri I’m very sorry to hear that

mammal's avatar

Have they learnt to queue yet, or not get up early in order to place their towel on the sun lounger before breakfast?

Ichji's avatar

My immediate assocation with Germany (living here) is “this is no longer the place I grew up in”. It used to be a calm and modest society composed of honest workers and efficient engineers. Good women, good beer, good poetry. Nowadays it is just youth crime, immigrants and people being parasitic arses living of unemployment benefits.

There are no children outside playing in the sun, they sit in front of the TV endulging themselves in the latest brainwashing – be it Spongebob or some Disney trash.

There is this absolute horrendous education system, no place for the less intelligent persons, no support for the intelligent persons unless they pay a fortune.

When I think of Germany I think of old glory now forgotten.

RareDenver's avatar

@Ichji sounds just like the UK

mattbrowne's avatar

@The_Compassionate_Heretic – Well, I guess George didn’t use the right neck massage technique on Angela.

mattbrowne's avatar

@casheroo – Well, German exchange students (I was one too) get prepped before they hop over the Atlantic and sadly there are many clichés about America. One is that Americans are very prude and extremely sensitive to everything related to sexuality. One wrong look by a German exchange student and off you go into prison. Seriously. There’s advice to never enter an elevator when only one woman is present. Whatever you do it can be interpreted as sexual harassment. The German instructors over here explain this by pointing out that there are too many lawyers desperate to find new clients.

Well and then I went over there to live in America for some time and I found that most advice had been greatly exaggerated.

mattbrowne's avatar

@Resonantscythe – I totally agree with you: we shouldn’t avoid talking about the Third Reich. In fact it’s an important responsibilities to keep the memory alive and pass it on to the next generations including the lessons learned. I frequently talk about the Third Reich. But there’s a difference between talking about the Third Reich and naming a 2009-born cat ‘Himmler’ because it’s a German cat and therefore an appropriate name.

Reputation of Germany? Interesting that you mention patriotism, because people from countries actually observe a certain reluctance when it comes to Germans being patriotic. You won’t see many German flags as you travel the country. The only notable exception was the summer of 2006 during the soccer world cup.

mattbrowne's avatar

@Zendo – Nazism and related perverse ideologies are alive in any country in this world. I actually think Germany has it better under control compared to many other countries. Reason? A single incident is national news, sometimes world news.

mattbrowne's avatar

@AstroChuck – I love so many things about America, believe me. But food on average is not America’s strong point. Really. On average German food three times better at least, French food five times better or more. America’s food beats only one country I traveled and sadly this is the United Kingdom. Now don’t get me wrong, there are American dishes I really like, everything offered as part of a Thanksgiving meal for example. And in the UK you can always go to an Indian restaurant. Excellent food!

mattbrowne's avatar

@pdworkin – Thank you for sharing this! I was born in 1962 and I know I can’t undo the past, but I do know that I can be part of the shaping of a better future. This why I speak out if young Americans call their teacher a grammar nazi or a fascist for example. Because it’s totally inappropriate and ignorant. If those students listen to your story of Zlotypol – the City of Gold – very carefully maybe they reconsider. Using the word nazi in a harmless context is not something we should overlook. It’s a terrible insult to all victims of Nazism. The Jews, the homosexuals, people with physical or mental disabilities… The list is very long. Calling a German cat the Fuehrer or Himmler is also a terrible insult to all victims of Nazism.

mattbrowne's avatar

@Darwin – Thank you for sharing the story! Actually my maternal grandfather is also a descendant of French Huguenots. He had a very rare French name. My uncle’s hobby is genealogy and he was able to trace back the family history to the 16th century. We also knew that some of my grandfather’s uncles emigrated to the United States. My uncle used the Internet and found two dozen families with this rare French name (emails but also some postal addresses) and contacted all of them. About a third responded welcoming the contact and together he could greatly improve the family tree. Thank you world wide web!

This tradition of various rooms of the house be kept closed is real. My parents were also very strict about it. Both the outer and inner walls of German house are much better isolated compared to the average American home. During the winter unused rooms are not heated. This is good for the environment and saves money too. My mother also thought it was good for the immune system reducing the risk of getting a cold. Supposedly it’s good for the body if temperature vary. I’m not sure if this is really true.

mattbrowne's avatar

@seekingwolf – I’m not really ashamed, although I remember that kind of feeling when I was a teenager. History classes about the Third Reich in Germany are blunt and brutal, which is the right approach in my opinion. But as a 15-year-old guy viewing films showing trains with livestock wagon full of living people looking like skeletons… asking himself and this all happened right here? My daughter at about the same age actually cried trying to grasp the full enormity of the holocaust. Well, I guess we are all close to tears when we watch movies like Schindler’s List or The Downfall.

Today, I would feel ashamed if Germans stopped talking about this part of the history which doesn’t mean we have to talk about it all the time. I feel very ashamed or rather offended if German pets are named Himmler. It was probably meant as a joke, but reading about this on Fluther can indeed create powerful emotions for some Germans. Many Americans don’t seem to realize this. Searching for ‘grammar nazi’ on Google yields almost 200,000 result. Many Germans find this outrageous. I’m aware the term seems acceptable in the United States to most people. I wonder, in a global world do we need international political correctness?

mattbrowne's avatar

@Jack79 – Well, there are about 67 million Wessies and 15 million Ossies, so if you meet enough people from both group you will find the nice guy / jerk ratio is about the same. I’m a Wessi by the way. I love eastern Germany which are now called ‘new states’ (neue Bundesländer) and met a lot of very nice people and beautiful towns.

mattbrowne's avatar

@mammal – You are absolutely correct about the towel habit. A truly deplorable custom in popular tourist areas.

mattbrowne's avatar

@Ichji – My observation is that what you are describing is a worldwide trend in developed countries.

Ichji's avatar

@mattbrowne Probably. A sad trend.

Vincentt's avatar

@mattbrowne Hmm… We do use “grammar nazi” (well, the Dutch version, “taalnazi”) quite often in my social circle. However, “NSB’er” is also frequently used to describe people screwing over other people, with the NSB being, as you might know, a Dutch political party at the time of WW II that collaborated with the Nazis and were also responsible for a lot of deaths (though nowhere near the Nazis’, of course). Nobody seems to be insulted by that.

noodle_poodle's avatar

been to Germany twice..first things that come to mind are that its just like being home in the UK accept I cant understand what people are saying and the food isn’t very good. Honestly I have no problem with Germany but i guess because its quite similar to the England in many ways it dosnt hold that novelty exotic ‘ness that other countries do

Darwin's avatar

To go back the the question that gave rise to this question, actually, the most common pet name of Germanic variation that I run across is “Schatzi,” which means something like Darling or Sweetie. The second most common is Fritz in its different variations. Otherwise, my family named all cats Sam and all dogs Laddie for years and years.

In addition, if someone really wants a German name for a pet there is, as to be expected, a list on the Internet of common German pet names.

seekingwolf's avatar

@mattbrowne

Yeah I know what you mean. :/

I esp felt bad when I went to a mostly Jewish high school and there was this girl who told me “You’re German. You bet you want all Jews dead. I don’t like you and you don’t belong here.” Grr.

I think it’s very important to learn about the holocaust (and other genocides) to learn about the dark side of human nature and what intolerance and blind hatred can lead to. However, dwelling on it isn’t productive and making jokes is even worse. This year, in PA (I heard about it because I’m in PA for college), there was a family who named their son “Adolf Hilter”. I am not joking. They said they wanted a “unique” name for their son that no one else would have. Well, no kidding.

Vincentt's avatar

@seekingwolf Yeah, Adolf Hitler Campbell. His two sisters are named JoyceLynn Aryan Nation and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie (after Himmler). Sick.

Darwin's avatar

@seekingwolf – Actually that wouldn’t be entirely true. Relatives of Hitler’s siblings now live in the US and grew up on Long Island: Alexander, Louis, Brian, and Howard Hitler (Howard is deceased). They are descended from Hitler’s nephew “Willy.” Alexander’s middle name is Adolf. However, Campbell is a Scottish name, and the Hitler brothers are part Irish.

Thus Adolf Hitler is not really a unique name.

mattbrowne's avatar

@Vincentt – Yes, I’m aware that some people in various countries not only the United States are more casual about terms like nazi or gestapo or fascist or waffen-ss etc. This doesn’t make it right in my opinion when comparing a strict teacher with a nazi or a Fluther moderator with a fascist. If you don’t behave your comment gets removed on Fluther. In a true fascist state your head gets removed. Quite a difference! Sophie Scholl’s head got chopped off because she distributed anti-nazi flyers at the university of Munich. She wasn’t even violent. This is what Nazism is about and we should preserve its true meaning and not change the meaning into something harmless. This is my opinion but I know that many won’t agree with me.

mattbrowne's avatar

@seekingwolf – Well, this girl in high school maybe had grandparents who suffered greatly and they never managed to lose their bitterness. We have to live with this. The girl is now a woman and she might reconsider. The best thing is traveling and meeting people. I hope this woman one day will visit Germany and meet friendly Germans and she might at some point actually feel ashamed about what she said in high school.

As for the dog owner in PA, well I guess it’s hard to top this kind of stupidity except people naming their sons Adolf Hitler Campbell.

Jack_Haas's avatar

Europa Park, Wal-Mart, Burger King, Alsace, Lorraine, Karlsruhe, Stuttgart, Trier, Saarbrucken, autobahn, scenic country roads, friendly bon-vivants.

Vincentt's avatar

@mattbrowne Of course, I didn’t mean to argue it’s right (though I don’t personally feel quite objected to it), I just wanted to note how it’s curious that the reaction to using the word NSB differs from that to using the word Nazi.

mattbrowne's avatar

@Vincentt – Well, most people in the Nationaal-Socialistische Beweging in Nederland were just collaborators. They didn’t choose the poison to be used in the gas chambers in Auschwitz. They didn’t give orders to fire machines gun at hundreds of men, women and children standing in front of an already dug-out mass grave just because they were Jews.

I don’t want to belittle collaborators. They bear their share of guilt of course.

FrBrown's avatar

Wow, there are a lot of different thoughts on this, and of course the whole “N” topic is starting to come up a lot. I personally have a different view because I live in Germany (if you want, you can read my blog about it – from the outside looking in) so I can see the good things and the bad things. I think it is a beautiful country to live in, but dealing with the attitude and formality of the people can be difficult. Like anywhere, there are positives and negatives but I would certainly recommend it to anyone who is willing to be open minded and learn the language.

mattbrowne's avatar

@FrBrown – Great blog! I read a few of your articles. Ja, die meisten Deutschen sind ganz anders als sie in anderen Ländern oft beschrieben werden. Und heute fühlen sich die meisten der jungen Generation eher als Europäer. Franzosen, Italiener und Engländer werden nicht als “Ausländer” wahr genommen. Im Schengen-Raum gibt es auch keine Grenzkontrollen mehr.

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