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withtheend's avatar

How come America has a extreme legitimate right wing party unlike most other first world counties?

Asked by withtheend (14points) August 17th, 2009

Most of the first world counties don’t so why is this?

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dynamicduo's avatar

Please define “legitimate”, because crying in hysterics over non-existent “death panels” really doesn’t seem legitimate to me.

Here in Canada we have our Conservatives, but they are definitely not as loudmouthed nor factually impaired as many in America’s extreme right seem to be. I would say, based on nothing more than my current idle speculation and my experiences here, that’s because here in Canada we are perfectly OK with gay marriage and we have a stronger separation of Church and State, which gives far less power to those who would advocate for no gay marriage and more of a Bible based influence (such as including intelligent design in classrooms).

ShanEnri's avatar

I think here in America we have a few legit extremists in everything. From sports to politics!

withtheend's avatar

@dynamicduo
legitimate as in they have a large following and people listen to them.

dynamicduo's avatar

In that case I would say because many Americans are foolish enough to listen and believe to idiots like Glenn Beck spouting off lies and factual misinformation.

I believe that the extreme Right Wing party in America supports more of Bible based integration as well as denying rights to certain people such as gays. In many other first world countries, this is not only ridiculous to consider, but embarrassing and disrespectful. I would speculate that this is why such extreme right wing parties are not found in many first world countries – I’m trying to imagine one of them here in Canada, and sure they would get some few supporters, but they would be laughed at and not taken seriously because we simply don’t believe in what they stand for. Religion is not appropriate to base laws on.

Jack79's avatar

Well, half the population votes for it, so you wouldn’t really expect them to ban it, would you? Oh wait, you didn’t mean the Republicans? What? There’s one even further to the right than that? wow…whaddaya know….

desmodus's avatar

I think most ‘first world countries’ have extreme (ultra) right wing parties. Look at Le Pen in France, PVV in the Netherlands, Vlaams Belang in Belgium, Jörg Haider in Austria… the list goes on.

Edit:
These Parties are legitimate and have a great number of followers. At the moment I think PVV will be the biggest party in The Netherlands if elections were to be had now.

Zen's avatar

I can’t think of many countries who don’t have an extreme party.

Noel_S_Leitmotiv's avatar

Its because the ‘Right Wing’ (political conservatives) employ the philosophy that America was founded on and is outlined in its constitution.

withtheend's avatar

@Zen
The key word is legitimate, most of these parties will never get voted in.

withtheend's avatar

@Noel_S_Leitmotiv
Where in the constitution? I want to know :) Thanks

What parts of the constitution?

Ria777's avatar

it doesn’t have an extreme right wing party, per se. at the moment it has two centre-right parties. of the two, one will end up more rightist than the others. I have the impression, actually, that in Europe that you have a greater range of parties, more rightist on the one hand, more leftist on the other.

wundayatta's avatar

Umm. France? The Front National (National Front, founded by Jean Marie Le Pen). They got 6.3% of the vote in the last European elections in July. In 1995, Le Pen (leader of the Front National) got 15% of the vote in presidential elections! And, according to this article, Europe is experiencing a right wing swing.

withtheend's avatar

@daloon
European elections give a better lead to extremist parties because of how it’s the election is held and run, in Britian the BNP got seat in the European elections.
And they will still never win.

desmodus's avatar

@Noel_S_Leitmotiv The USA was partly founded on slavery, but somehow that got abandoned.. times change.. people evolve

Noel_S_Leitmotiv's avatar

America wasnt founded on slavery, it was a fact of life at the time.

The founding fathers considered abolishing slavery at the time of its founding but judged it to big an issue to tackle at the same time as establishing independence.

They intended to take address the issue at a later time.

withtheend's avatar

@Noel_S_Leitmotiv
Where in the constitution does it talk about being anti gay?

desmodus's avatar

@Noel_S_Leitmotiv what is the difference between slavery pre 1808 and pro-live, anti-gay at this day and age. It was a fact of life at the time. Times change.
The major problem with the Republican party is their link to religion. The GOP has some good points, but because of their attachment to religion they keep the US in the dark ages.

Noel_S_Leitmotiv's avatar

Anti Gay? where does that come from?

This conservative also despises the religious right.

This conservative that isnt ‘Anti Gay’ urges you to get your ideas of conservatism from somewhere other than MSNBC.

@withtheend: Regarding conservatism in the Constitution? The separation of powers for example

The impression of conservatives i see here seems to be based on preconcieved notions.

Qingu's avatar

@Noel_S_Leitmotiv, so when you said conservatives employ the “idea” that America was founded on… which idea are you talking about, specifically?

I’ll grant it’s been a while since I’ve sat down and read the constitution, but it seems to contain a number of important ideas.

If the idea you’re referring to is “small government” or some permutation, I’m sure you’re aware that liberals and conservatives have different ideas about what government intrusion means. Conservatives generally care more about economic intrustion, while liberals care more about social intrusion and foreign policy. If you care about both, you don’t even sound like a “conservative,” you sound like a “libertarian.”

Noel_S_Leitmotiv's avatar

@Qingu:

Im talking about governmental intrusion.

I’m cautious with use of the word ‘libertarian’ as many liberals misunderstand it to mean ‘somehow right of republicans’.

I am a conservative. The term ‘libertarian’ could be applied to me accurately. Yet i have reservations regarding things such as drug legalization.

Qingu's avatar

@Noel_S_Leitmotiv, government intrusion like the Patriot Act?

Or like economic regulation?

Noel_S_Leitmotiv's avatar

Both, but im much more concerned with economic regulation.

97% of businesses are small businesses, when you screw with them youre screwing with individuals and families, the same is true with big businesses but with small ones regulation hits home even harder.

Qingu's avatar

Interesting. Why are you more opposed to economic regulation?

Especially in light of the fact that the Constitution and the founding fathers themselves seemed much more concerned with government intrusion on social issues and civil liberties?

Noel_S_Leitmotiv's avatar

Like i said, im concerned about both.

Qingu's avatar

I fail to see what your comment about small businesses has to do with economic regulation.

Unless you believe that small businesses actually perform better without, for example, antitrust regulation…

hiphiphopflipflapflop's avatar

A Republican-leaning American would ask why European countries have powerful socialist parties. The fact of life is, the “center of political discourse” in America is to the right of where it is in Europe. You want to ask why that is the case, @withtheend.

JLeslie's avatar

I agree with @daloon that parts of Europe are going more to the right. I think this is related to many immigrants not assimilating well into their new countries, but rather staying fairly separate culturally and relgiously. Many Europeans I have spoken with have fear of an uprising against specific groups. Also, in Israel there seems to be a movement to the right as Israeli’s get more and more impatient. I think the right wing in America is a reaction…the pendulum swings from one extreme to another. It seems to me there have been several occurances happening at once, which led to the right wing in America gaining strength. That the religious in America look to political leaders almost like clergy. They follow lock-step with whatever is being told to them. That thinking for themselves would almost be like going against God. The things that have occured were: 1. Clinton and the Monica scandal…this gave Bush the ability to run on damily values, and pains liberals as less moral. 2. 911, this heats up the religious war. 3. There is also an association for extreme theists that communism and socialism is akin to atheism, basically synonomous, and any leaning of our country away from what is considered Christian values related to family or country is feared. I should say here that the extreme religious Jews also tend to be part of the right wing, its not just the Christians. And, also, lets not confuse right wing with politically conservative, they are not the same.

galileogirl's avatar

Are you kudding?

Of course many of the theocratic political parties all over the world tend toward the extreme right .

South Africa-Afrikaner Volsfront has a paramilitary wing and advocte the end of universal suffrage under the concept that a laborer should not have the same vote as a Dr.

Belgium, France, Greece, Italy, UK-National Front party has a platform very much in line with the American right, anti-immigration (darker or non Christian), anti-trade, anti-abortion, pro-reinstatement of capital punishment and govt enforced traditional ‘cultural’values

Germany-National Democratic Party-neo Nazps

Greece-Chrysi Avyi self described uncompromising Nationalists why decry“so-called Enlightenment” and the Industrial Revolution, while supporting National Socialism. According to the party’s charter, “only Aryans in blood and Greeks in descent can be candidate members of Chrysi Avyi”.

Romania-Noua Dreapta, the New Right Party

Spain-Espana 2000 Looked down on by other Spanish right wingers, their slogan is “Moros no, España no es un zoo” but their leader is involved with importation of Eastern European prostitutes

UK-British National Party, whites only group that was too extremist for the National Front (above)

In every Latin American country there are right wing extremist groups with ties to factions in the police and and military.

North Korea is called a Communist (left wing) country but there hasn’t been a more fascist nation since 1945.

There are right wing extremists in most countries of the world, the Japanese police estimate 100’s of groups in Japan

Zuma's avatar

Most of our first world counterparts have parliamentary systems where the right-left continuum is chopped up into numerous small parties, so the parties on the extremes are relatively tiny compared to the system as a whole. In America, we have a two-party system so that each party represents a governing coalition of what would be several parties in any other system.

On the right, we have Christian social conservatives, who tend to include anti-minority, anti-immigrant white supremacists, anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-progress traditionalists, gun nuts, and Holy Joes who would like to use the power of the state to impose their Biblical morality (or, in the extreme, a theocracy) on everyone else. We also have libertarians, who want a smaller, less expensive, hands-off government. Then we have the economic conservatives, the corporate fat cats, the plutocrats, and the extended families of the Capitalist class, who are simply interested in things being managed in such a way that they get richer (the country be damned if it gets in the way of profits).

Back in the Nixon-Eisenhower days, the Republican Party had what we would now call “moderate” conservatives, like William F. Buckley and Kevin Phillips, who in the tradition of Edmund Burke, were models of civility, public spirit and intellectual clarity. They saw themselves as a loyal opposition whose role was to urge a more considered “go slow” approach to the social transformations that liberals were pushing in the areas of civil rights, and a more equitable and compassionate society. (These, by the way, were a self-conscious attempt to realize the civil libertarian values of our founding fathers.)

But, since Reagan, these Rockefeller and Goldwater Republicans have become increasingly marginalized by the radical religious right, until now they are no longer welcome in the GOP. Many have defected to become Blue Dog Democrats. There are some members of the Capitalist class, like the Kennedys and Jay Rockefeller who have defected to the Democrats because they see a more equitable society (with a large, affluent middle class) as better for business than a less equitable society consisting of a deeply debt-ridden working class, lorded over by a small hereditary aristocracy of the super-rich, a la Bush I and Bush II.

The more extreme a party becomes, the less legitimate it becomes over time. And this is true in any system. The transfer of wealth that occurred under Bush II ($4 gasoline, the sub-prime lending bubble, the outsourcing of government, etc.) was so rapacious as to drive the whole economy to the brink of collapse. The middle class, being economically illiterate thanks to 20 years of Republican rule, has no idea as to just how close we came to taking the whole world economy down with us. (And we are not out of the woods yet.) Nonetheless, it has become pretty obvious, to everyone but the hard core Religious Right, who tend to confuse political and religious belief, that conservative ideology is bankrupt. Things are so bad that only government intervention can get us out of it.

The Republican party offers us nothing new; so, in effect, it has chosen to double-down on crazy, and so will continue lose elections and get smaller until it is completely irrelevant. Obama’s drift to the Center may well be a calculated bid to ensure that Republicans stay in the minority for the next 20 years. Some are saying that if he shifts to the Left now, he gives the Right something to organize and mobilize against. But if he waits, and lets the Republicans implode, they may very well take the whole right wing with them when they go. I sincerely hope so. I am so tired of the Christian Right and know-nothing conservative ideologues.

JLeslie's avatar

@MontyZuma I found your answer very interesting.

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