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Why do most Americans avoid voting for third parties even when they agree with the candidate?

Asked by garydale (216points) August 21st, 2009

Many third parties are viable options to the Republicrats who are running our country. I personally believe there would be more balance, less wild swings in administrations, if we had third parties out there listened to. And this goes for city, county and states levels as well. But with this exception of local offices the third parties seem to be shut out. Why?

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deni's avatar

I think because people think that they don’t have a chance at winning so they’re better off just voting for one of the 2 that do “have” a chance. I don’t know, unfortunately I think a lot of people think about that but still don’t vote for the third party candidate. its kinda sad and frustrating.

The_Compassionate_Heretic's avatar

I think it’s because of the methodology of political campaigning. The democratic and republican parties have so much money that they essentially bully the 3rd party candidates out of the public eye.

If campaigning sees a major overhaul in it’s rules, then maybe third parties will have a legitimate chance.

kyanblue's avatar

The winner-take-all structure of the American political system makes in tough for any third party to survive. In certain European countries, they have many small parties that thrive because it’s easier for them to gain power.

Personally, even if I found a third-party candidate that I completely and entirely supported, on every issue, I would still probably think, “Well, this person’s still a really long shot.” Especially if this is a gubernatorial or presidential candidate.

Lightlyseared's avatar

It’s a two part system.

DominicX's avatar

@Lightlyseared I’ve seen your avatar a million times, but I just now realized how absolutely adorable it is.

I have to agree with @deni. People assume that the 3rd party candidate will not have a chance of winning and that is essentially how it is. It’s about campaigning and the Republicans and Democrats campaign more effectively.

avvooooooo's avatar

I think its more about beating the guy you for sure don’t agree with by voting for the guy who seems like the lesser evil… and who actually has a chance at winning. Many see voting for a 3rd party candidate as taking a vote away from defeating Mr. Bad Guy when Mr. Okay guy can keep that mess from happening. Mr. Best Guy might be the best, but doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning, so why “waste” a vote?

rooeytoo's avatar

I agree with @avvooooooo

A vote for someone who most likely doesn’t have a chance of winning is almost the same as voting for Mr Popular Vote guy.

Also it often seems as if they come from nowhere and you really don’t know that much about them.

LostInParadise's avatar

There is a simple solution to the problem, called Instant Runoff Voting. In IRV the voter ranks in order of preference each candidate on the ballot. If the first choice votes for one candidate represents a majority of all those voting then that candidate is declared the winner. Otherwise the candidate with the fewest first preference votes is eliminated and the second preference votes of those who voted for the candidate are now distributed among the other candidates If one candidate now has a majority of all votes cast then that candidate is the winner. Otherwise the process continues by eliminating the remaining candidate with the fewest votes. This continues until someone has a majority. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrzRHSmT7Wg&feature=related

Nobody’s vote is wasted, because if your first choice is not used then you get to use your second choice or if necessary third, fourth and so on as each of your other choices are eliminated.

There are a few places in the world where this system is applied, most notably Australia. It could be done in the U.S on a statewide basis. It could even be done for presidential elections, since each state decides how to distribute its electoral votes.

dynamicduo's avatar

Because third parties rarely if ever stand a chance of winning in America’s system, thus it is equivalent to throwing away your vote, and when the outcome of the major race is down to a fine margin this can have a significant effect.

Here in Canada it’s different due to our different government setup. We have 5 parties, 2 of them “major” (the Conservatives and Liberals), one of them in third place (the NDP, new democrat party), and the two others trailing behind (the Green party and the Bloc Quebecois). Only the Liberals and Conservatives have long standing history of leading in Parliament. The NDP is a close third and is able to use its position to make alliances with other parties to support or not support certain bills etc, so it is in a strategic position despite never attaining actual power (which is good, Canada is socialistic enough in my mind, we don’t need more of it).

With us here, voting for a smaller party does have actual outcomes and is not necessarily throwing your vote away. First off, the parties receive political funding proportionate to the number of votes, which has helped the Green party establish and promote itself in the past decade. Strategic voting can have an outcome, since our parliament is elected based on electing local MPs and the party with the most MPs is the leading party, thus if you live in a district with a tight race, your vote can matter significantly, especially if the race is between one of the big parties and one of the smaller ones. But most important, our government system allows one party to be a minority leader versus a majority leader, thus they are kept in check by the other parties as it is very easy for those parties to call an election based on a no confidence motion (which requires a percentage of Parliament in agreement, easy to do when it’s a minority government with the power spread out).

That said, there are also tons of littler parties that don’t really have any effect whatsoever on the outcome of politics. We have a Libertarian party, a Marijuana party, etc. Casting your vote for them can still give them more funding but is equivalent to using your vote but not supporting anyone who actually has a chance of getting into government. But it’s better than not voting, at least in my mind.

Darwin's avatar

I have found also, that many third party candidates are “one-trick ponies” in that they care passionately about one issue but neglect others. Many third parties are unbalanced in that they may care about the right to bear arms but have no solution for other problem areas, or they want everything to be “green” but have no opinion about tax reform or Medicare, or anyone of a million other issues.

The candidates who realistically want to change the way we do things in the United States tend to join either the Republican Party or the Democratic Party in large part because where the numbers are the power is also.

In the most recent US election there were candidates from a number of parties in addition to the Democrats (Obama) and the Republicans (McCain). Parties that appeared on enough state ballots to theoretically obtain the minimum 270 electoral votes needed to win the election included the Constitution Party (Baldwin), the Green Party (McKinney), the Libertarian Party (Barr), and Ralph Nader as an independent.

Then other parties that didn’t get on enough ballots included the Boston Tea Party (Jay), the New American Independent Party (McEnulty), the Party for Socialism and Liberation (La Riva), the Prohibition Party (Amondson), the Reform Party (Weill), the Socialist Party USA (Moore), and the Socialist Workers Party (Calero).

And then there were the independents who only got on the ballot in a few states, or who were write in candidates. You may see at least one familiar name because McEnulty was a candidate for more than one party:

# Donald K. Allen/Christopher D. Borcik (Ohio, Maryland)
# Jonathan Allen/Jeffrey Stath (Heartquake ‘08—Colorado, write-in in Arizona, Georgia, Montana, Ohio, and Texas)
# Jose M. Aparicio (Maryland)
# Lawson Bone (Indiana, Maryland, and Utah)
# Jeff Boss/Andrea Marie Psoras (Vote Here—New Jersey)
# Ted Brown, Sr. (Maryland)
# Santa Claus (West Virginia)
# James D. Criveau (Maryland)
# Richard Duncan/Ricky Johnson (Ohio)
# Michael Faith (Indiana)
# James R. Germalic/Martin Wishnatsky (Ohio)
# Mark Graham (Utah)
# Leonard Habermehl (Kentucky)
# RaeDeen R. Heupel (California, Maryland)
# Thaddaus Hill/Gordon F. Bailey (Texas)
# Ronald Hobbs (Maryland and Utah)
# Yonyuth Hongsakaphadana (New Hampshire)
# Keith Judd (Kentucky and Maryland)
# Lou Kujawski (Indiana)
# Bradford Lyttle/Abraham Bassford (United States Pacifist Party—Colorado)
# Frank McEnulty/David Mangan (Colorado)
# Frank Moore/Susan Block (California, Maryland, and Utah)
# Kevin Mottus (Indiana)
# Gary Nettles/Brad Krones (Florida)
# John Joseph Polachek (New Party—Illinois)
# John Plemons (Indiana)
# Platt Robertson/Scott Falls (Ohio)
# Joe Schriner/Dale Way (Maryland and Ohio)
# David John Sponheim (Maryland)
# Lynne A. Starr (Maryland)
# Blaine Taylor (Maryland)
# Jeffrey Wamboldt (We the People Party—Wisconsin)
# Lanakila Washington (Humanistic Party—New York)
# Ted Weill/Frank McEnulty (Reform—Mississippi)
# Jerry White/Bill Van Auken (Socialist Equality—New York)

Like other countries, the United States has a lot of little parties, but most have no effect on the elections.

NowWhat's avatar

Because sadly we feel that our vote counts enough to influence the current- fast approaching election. Usually when this happens, you’re voting against someone rather than for who you actually voted for.

marinelife's avatar

First, your question as posed that most Americans would choose a third party candidate, except for some reason they elect not to.

That is not the case.

jamielynn2328's avatar

I voted for a long shot in our mayoral race for the city I live in. I knew that he wouldn’t win, but since I didn’t agree with either of the popular candidates platforms, I decided to do what I wanted with my vote. When the results were announced, my choice did not win of course, but he did get about 12% of the vote. This surprised me, and it was actually the only time I really felt like my vote was a public statement to the city.

BBSDTfamily's avatar

They may feel their vote would be “wasted” because they don’t think that person really has a shot to win.

tinyfaery's avatar

I usually vote for the Green candidate in CA. I voted for the Green candidate for president in ‘96, ‘00, and ‘04. I almost always vote for the Green candidates for Senate and House and local and state politics. I think the whole system is broken and the Dems and Repubs are all corporate whores. I only vote Democrat when a race is close and the Republican candidate is deplorable, which is usually the case.

dalepetrie's avatar

Here’s a story from my real life to put it into the proper perspective for you.

I am a liberal…not a Democrat. I believe in strongly liberal values. The first time I was able to vote was 1990 in the Gubenatorial election. I supported the Republican candiate because for whatever reason, he actually more closely mirrored my values. In 1992, I was of the opinion that Reagan/Bush were the worst thing to have happened to the country in some time, and Clinton was a breath of fresh air. I liked him. Perot ran too, as did many others. I heard about Perot, I didn’t hear about the others. We had televised debates and newspapers and magazines, but they all talked about 3 candidates…any others were not even treated like they were in the race. This is essentially a combination of the media reporting what people are interested in, and the two major parties doing everything they can do to block any third parties from entering the fray. But Perot got in on the game, he captured the imagination of the media, and he succeeded in getting included in the debates, which at the time were sponsored by the League of Women Voters, who could not be bought off. Of course, the two major parties had enough sway that never again was a 3rd party candidate allowed in the national debates (after the debates were taken away from the LWV of course, let that be a lesson to the new sponsors). To my way of thinking, Perot was “colorful”, but his ideas were half baked, he was half cocked, and playing with half a deck. I actually liked what Clinton had to offer. I tuned out Perot after at least hearing him out, because I would have voted for ANYONE running against Bush, and I liked what Clinton had to say, so I didn’t even HAVE to consider at the time the implications of voting for a 3rd party candidate.

In 1994, I’d had enough of the Republican governor and voted for the Democrat, and in 1996, I strongly preferred Clinton to Dole, even though some of the shine was gone from Clinton for me by that time, he was still of all the candidates I knew about (and I was starting to see more interest in 3rd parties, but I didn’t think any was a better choice than Clinton). Now, go to 1998.

I live in Minnesota, and that year we had a Democrat, “Skip” Humphrey, I forget if he was the son or grandson of our former VP, but he was just your run of the mill life long politician gambling on name recognition, and of course he easily won the nomination as MN Dems really wanted to get someone with the greatest possible name recognition out there, because he would be running against a very popular Republican…Norm Coleman. You may recognize his name as that of the former US Senator who lost to comedian Al Franken after a 7 month recount, but at the time I recongized him as the former Mayor of St. Paul, the city where I live. Now, normally I prefer the Dem to the Republican, and I would have given Coleman a second look if I didn’t already know what I needed to know about him.

First off, as Mayor of St. Paul, he was elected as a Democrat, and even took a pro choice position. Then one day he was seen meeting with some bigwigs in the RNC (right around the time Gingrich was the big player), and seemingly overnight, he became not just a Republican, but an ultra conservative pro life Republican. So, first off, I can’t trust anyone who shifts their opinions to gain favor (which he did in 2002 when he won the Senate seat and became the member of Congress who voted MOST lock step with Bush for the first couple years…something like 99%). Second, as Mayor of St. Paul, he brought in a ton of new businesses with nice tax incentives. However, within a couple years, many of the new St. Paul marquis businesses moved elsewhere (including overseas) to save tax dollars and what not, and Coleman didn’t do a thing about it to say hey, you guys need to pay this back, you didn’t hold up your end of the bargain. He was clearly in the pocket of big business.

So, I had no choice but to support Humphrey. Then former Professional Wrestler Jesse “The Body” Ventura said HE was going to run. He pointed out that Democrats and Republicans were almost one in the same with the exception of a few hot button issues (pretty much the same point ultra liberal Michael Moore made in his books). And he basically talked a great deal of sense. He even went as far as to take on the sacred cows of politics, saying that maybe we should at least STUDY how some countries can successfully do away with a lot of crime by legalizing, regulating and taxing things like drugs and prostitution just TRY to imagine a Dem or Repulbican in this country even saying anything remotely like that.

But here was my quandry, and this is what is important in answering your question. Even though I hadn’t been a pro wrestling fan, what Ventura was saying was by far the closest to my ideals. Now I had an actual moral dillemma. Basically, I could vote my conscience. But if I did that, mine could be the one vote that caused Coleman to beat Humphrey. See my assumption was that a 3rd party candidate couldn’t win, and indeed the polls were showing very little support for Ventura at first, and basically it was neck and neck. And all the pundits were saying that Jesse was more “libertarian” and would probably take support from Coleman, so his presence was probably a good thing for Dems. What the pundits didn’t consider was that Jesse was basically socially liberal and economincially centrist, which in tandem looked somewhat like liberatrianism, but was really closer to liberalism.

So, I had people saying, maybe you should vote for Jesse, and my answer was that he didn’t stand a chance, and I couldn’t bear to see an outcome where Coleman won because Jesse was in the race. And what started to happen? Well, the pundits were proven wrong. Though Jesse was taking support from both sides, more was coming from the Democrats, and being that I knew Humphrey excited NO one, and they were misreading Jesse’s politics, I saw that coming. And Coleman was formidable. He managed to get St. Paul a professional hockey team, and you HAVE to realize that in Minnesota, hockey is BIG (up north sits the US Hockey Hall of Fame after all), and a LOT of people were still sore from losing the North Stars to Dallas. So, Coleman essentially made his political fortunes on that one accomplishment, which he talked about from day one and actually eventually accomplished.

So, a week before election day, I was scared. I thought, OK, most of these people when we get closer to election day are going to come to their senses and not actually vote for Ventura, because at the time he had between 10 and 20% of the support in polls, not far from Humphrey, but double digits behind Coleman. Funny thing was, as we got closer to election day, Humprheys numbers dropped more, Venturas went up. And even though Ventura was a longshot in polling the day before the election, what I saw was real momentum..fast upward momentum for Ventura, fast downward momentum for Humphrey and even slow downard momentum for Coleman. So even though Coleman was heavily favored to win, my thoughts were, well, Ventura has a BETTER chance now of beating Coleman than does Humphrey, so I can actually vote my conscience. And vola, when the votes were tabuated, we had 3rd party Governer Jesse Ventura! Now he turned out to be an insurfferably whiny baby, but he was still better than the other two would ahve been.

So in that you’ll find my answer. If a third party candidate COULD gain the attention of enough people that the press started paying a ton of attention to this person, and this person could be shown to have a reasonable shot in a 3 person race well, we saw that on a state level, it can happen…it just takes enough people to see the evidence of the candidate’s viability. And we see that folks like Perot, if they actually made sense to a broad swath of the nation and not just 10 to 15% outliers, they certainly COULD break the back fo the two party system.

But if I, a nobody can realize that, you have to imagine that the 2 major political parties who effectively control our entire government ALSO realize that and would pull out all the stops in a way that would make the health insurance industry’s efforts to kill reform seem like child’s play. Basically I think it would take someone like Obama running on a 3rd party ticket, but he ran as a Dem, so it will probably be a long time before we see anything resembling a national 3rd party in this country.

wilbert's avatar

because they are as silly as canadians into not voting for third party thinking it will never get elected, so usually a vote for someone is a vote against the other party

Ron_C's avatar

Americans are really stupid. They want to be on the winning side of an election. The see it as sort of Superbowl. We need to wipe the slate clean and get rid of all incumbents and not protect our local representatives. I never vote for anyone that served more than two terms. Obama is the first president, that I voted for, that won. That’s quite a record since I have been voting for more than thirty years. Prior to that I was in the military and we were discouraged from involving ourselves in politics. We considered ourselves better than stooping to the support of individual politicians.

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