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Can people love eachother without meeting in person?

Asked by omgwhat (83points) September 14th, 2009

My friend and i were talking about a person they had met online, it turns out that they love eachother but have never met…basically my question is do you think it is possible for people that live states away from eachother, and have never met face to face, to fall in love with eachother?

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Hobosnake's avatar

I’ve never had much hope in the real world, yet still can’t see any logical reason for online dating, hopeless as I am. This was, in my opinion, the second greatest scourge that came with the internet (the first is obvious and much more serious).

DarkScribe's avatar

No. You can’t love if you don’t know. Reality is often different to a limited perception and online limits.

Hobosnake's avatar

One of the funniest issues with online dating is that, really, you have no empirical evidence that the “young girl” you’re “dating” isn’t some 97-year-old man doing it because he’s crazy or some 12-year-old-boy just doing it for the laughs.

hearkat's avatar

You can feel love for someone you haven’t met in person, and a deep friendship can develop; but for a romantic relationship you have to really get to know the person face-to-face.

omgwhat's avatar

@Hobosnake exactly i tried telling my friend that but she said that they have web cam chats and talk on the phone…she believes its really love

hearkat's avatar

@omgwhat and @Hobosnake: So the friend knows that it’s not ”a 97-year-old man” she’s chatting with… but it is still infatuation. That doesn’t mean that it couldn’t develop into a more meaningful love, but that takes time to really get to know someone.

oratio's avatar

Sure, I know of a couple who fell in love from watching each other through the window of their apartments, and now are married with kids. It’s also very easy to make big mistakes on the net as well. If it’s real love, they’ll know when they spend time in person.

rooeytoo's avatar

13 years ago I met the man that I have been married to for the last 11 years. Yep we fell in love by chatting online, after a year or so I came to Australia to visit him and it was as if we had known each other all of our lives. Then I had to go home and we both felt heartbroken. He came to visit me 6 months later and that was when we decided we didn’t want to be apart. He had to go home but I immediately put my business on the market and 3 months later I was on the plane. He would have moved to the USA but I was ready for a change so I came here. I love it and him.

So I say yes, you can fall in love without meeting face to face. Actually in a way it could be better than meeting in person, we knew each other’s minds, all we had were words so we used them to the fullest.

Zen's avatar

@Hobosnake Re. “you have no empirical evidence that the “young girl” you’re “dating” isn’t some 97-year-old man…” I disagree.

Do you think I am a female? How old do you think I am (I’m 43). Do you think I’m from the States (I’m not). In other words, after a while, after talking, and waaaaaaaaaaay before falling in love, you first find out who the other person is from conversations. It’s very easy to spot the inconsistancies of a liar (mine would be, say, spelling issues); alternately, webcam, photos, IM etcetera – methinks it would be very hard to fool me into believing you were something you were not. Shall we test my theory?

Zen's avatar

Oh and welcome to fluther @omgwhat. May you enjoy the swim and forever have open seas.

omgwhat's avatar

@Zen thank you, this is a very reliable site, and i plan on using it often :)

Zen's avatar

@omgwhat Enjoy. We’re here for you. I was a rookie jelly but months ago. Now look at me all 4000 lurve and all… lol.

:-)

Hobosnake's avatar

@Zen Webcam is the only place that kind of trips it up there. Photos could be from google (or of your sister). Sure, I went a little far with no empirical evidence, but you have a lot less than in real life.

Sure, there are counterexamples, as in the case of @rooeytoo (I’m glad it worked out for you), but there are also counterexamples in elementary school relationships that go all the way to marriage, just very few.

I see your point though, @rooeytoo, getting to know someone’s mind before their face in a relationship could be really cool.

Hobosnake's avatar

lolz, yea, welcome @omgwhat. I just joined today too.

oratio's avatar

@Zen Gosh, I feel like you have been here since always, but have been here shorter than me. Interesting.

omgwhat's avatar

i have to admit this discussion is convincing me that love can be shared between two people without them meeting

Zen's avatar

@Hobosnake Funny, I’ve met some people in real life that have turned out to be the opposite of what they claimed – and even seemed like, initially. My Ex, for example.

People claim to be Doctors, turn out to be, well, not.

Just yesterday on the news there was the story of the Jailer guy who would impersonate policemen and stop cars and even “ticket” them. Until he stopped an off-duty cop.

I met a woman in a bar, stunning. Boughtt her a drink, kissed her. She wasn’t a she. I’m not complaining, mind you, I’m just stating a fact (see my other question: Am I gay?).

In other words, people in real life, in virtual life, in second life and probably in the fucking afterlife will always either be imposters and liars, or not. Rolls them dice, takes your chances. Use your instinct, use the force, it doesn’t matter. But I still contend that you wouldn’t fool me, nor would I be able to, or inclined to, fool you.

Nuff said. Next question?

Jack79's avatar

I think they can, but I don’t think they usually do (at least not as often as we think). Most of the time it’s just a false alarm.

whitenoise's avatar

Of course you can love someone that you have never met, that is like asking whether blind people can love someone, despite never having seen the object of their love.

As always, you love not so much a person as well as your impression/image of that person. Your image may be rather inaccurate, when never having met and a meeting may even extinguish the love.

Love, though, it still may be. Yoda says.

jbfletcherfan's avatar

I can tell you that yes, it’s entirely possible.

The_Compassionate_Heretic's avatar

In the short term it’s possible but if the relationship is only an online/phone relationship, it’s only a small portion of their lives you are experiencing.

That person could already have a spouse for all you know.

hug_of_war's avatar

It’s definitely possible, as that is the kind of relationship I have. While I would say it’s often infatuation, we spend at least 6 hours talking nearly every day, so he takes up no small part of my life. His whole family knows about me. Part of life is just ignoring everyone who says what you want to do is impossible. A year ago I would have said it’s impossible too.

jbfletcherfan's avatar

I think it’s something you have to experience for yourself to determine whether or not it’s possible. Any skeptic will say no, of course.

wundayatta's avatar

I think it’s possible to fall in love over the internet, but I’m not sure how often that love can stand up to the fact of a physical meeting. I know that it is easy to fool yourself about both yourself and the other person. Much of what we think we know about the other is fantasy. It’s stuff we make up about them to fill in the missing information.

Fooling ourselves is another story. We have needs and desires, and many times we let those needs and desires drive us to do things we would not do if we were thinking straight. A need for love is very powerful. It makes many a person do very foolish things.

On the other hand, I believe arranged marriages can work. It all depends on the willingness of both parties in the couple to make it work. In a way, internet relationships are like an arranged relationship, except you are doing your own arranging. However, when you do that, you have much more of a vested interest to make the relationship work when you meet in person.

I think there’s something about the internet that can make things move very quickly. I once fell in love with several women over a short period of time. It was driven by an extraordinary amplification of my need for love (caused by bipolar disorder).

I was just reading over transcripts of some conversations I had, and emails written between those women and me. It was crazy! We moved so quickly from an innocent relationship to obsession with each other. In some cases in a matter of days.

I look at that stuff now, and I marvel. I’ve never been any Lothario, and yet, driven by my mania, I became one. At least, online. The women I got involved with also seemed to be driven by this need, so we were just ready to fall in love with each other.

I think the internet makes it much easier for people with similar needs to meet each other. Sometimes, though, these needs can be transitory. My mania is gone and I read these chat transcripts with disbelief, now. I mean, I know that mania can change your personality, but, while I remember being that person, he is so far from who I am now, it just doesn’t make sense.

I’m trying to figure out what I’ve learned from this experience. One lesson is that driven by an extraordinary need, I can do things that are otherwise impossible for me. Another is that people who can meet each others needs find each other on the internet. A third is that when people get caught up with each other, it can be like a “perfect storm” of infatuation. I mean, I was ready to divorce my wife and go and live with these women.

However, there is also a lesson about the role that fantasy plays in online relationships. I was seeing things in these women that, had I been in a normal frame of mind, I would not have trusted. Stories that didn’t add up. I did have (online) friends who told me these stories didn’t add up, and they were right, although in a different way from what they thought at the time. I, of course, did not listen to them.

Now my experience has to be seen in light of the mania I was in at the time. So I don’t know how generalizable my experience is to others. Certainly, infatuations and falling in love are both crazy and manic, just on their own. We suspend our normal powers of reasoning and fall into the magic. Is more of that magic real when you don’t start from a crazy place, as I did? I have to wonder.

When I fall in love normally, I obsess, as do many of us. The woman becomes the center of my world. Nothing seems as important as the object of my obsession. I’m married to one of those women now. And she has been incredibly loyal to me, despite these affairs.

What attracted me to her in the first place was something that would have been impossible over the internet—the touch of her hands. The way that healed me. Online, it’s all in your head. Even if you add phone or video chat, it’s all in your head. You are imagining the presence of this person, and that can have a very powerful effect on you, especially if your imagination is very powerful. But it’s still in your head until you actually experience each others presence.

Another thing about not being in each others presence is that you can promise anything, but not have to come through with it. You may (as I did) totally believe your promises, but all the time it’s just online, you can’t really prove them. I made extraordinary promises—such as being willing to wait on the person hand and foot, like a slave, even if there was nothing in it for me but anxiety. These were promises I would never carry though in reality. They were symbols of how I felt that were only possible when we were not physically together to experience the real feelings involved in everyday life.

And another thing you can do when not in each others presence is make yourself into the perfect lover. Since you aren’t there, you can do all the icky stuff that you might not really want to do in person, but it is easy and clean because you aren’t there. You can describe yourself doing anything. In any situation. You can play fantasy games—bondage, dominance—anything you want, and there are no real world consequences. No pregnancies. No cleaning up afterwards. No bad smells. No real pain. Just the perfection of experience in your head.

Falling in love without meeting each other is certainly possible. However, the meaning of that love is not clear at all. It could easily be something that is only possible in the safe confines of your imagination. It could easily be something that can not stand the exigencies of reality. This is not so different from reality, though. Many fall in love and find that in a year or two, their vision has cleared, and the person is not the person they thought they were. My guess is that online loves include much more fantasy than in person loves. As a result, I think they can fool us more, and that, more often, there is not really a there there.

poofandmook's avatar

People can, and people do. I did. My boyfriend and I met over the internet, I flew out to see him, and he spent 2 weeks with me in August. We were pretty sure we were in love with each other before we met, but when we met, it just confirmed it.

The issue is that both people need to be honest about themselves, unlike some of the things daloon mentioned. The circumstances may have to be a bit different, and in reality, it may just take a certain kind of person for it to honestly work. I don’t know. All I know is, it happened to me, so obviously, it’s possible.

jbfletcherfan's avatar

@poofandmook aww…I LOVE this. Good for you. :-)

Syger's avatar

It can and did for me. There’s plenty of other posts that I’m sure have more detailed answers; so I’m not going to be redundant. Similar to @poofandmook I flew out to see my girl in August (after she came for a week 2 months prior) and our time together did nothing but strengthen our immeasurably strong bond. It’s quite amazing actually.

cwilbur's avatar

I think you can fall in love with something without meeting in person, but until and unless you do meet, there’s no way to know whether what you’ve fallen in love with is the other person or your fantasy view of the other person.

Zen's avatar

@daloon Very nice! Kudos for the 1093 word story.

hungryhungryhortence's avatar

I thinks it’s possible but then the love is bound to change once/if the people meet in person. It could go either way, they enrich the love or they back off.

Hobosnake's avatar

My first reaction was far too ardent, and I apologized. I now realize that when you activated to concept of online dating on my mind it made me think more of the idiots who play video games and walk around saying “Need gf!” (gf = girlfriend). That is the real scourge I was referring to, I just didn’t think it through.

However, a lot of online dating is still kind of pointless. It’ll obviously take the type of people that are objective enough to benefit from it (rather than the aforementioned idiot-types) to well… benefit from it.

Corey_D's avatar

@hug_of_war Oh I definitely agree. :P
I love you, honeybun.

poofandmook's avatar

@Hobosnake: funny you say that, because my boyfriend and I met playing World of Warcraft. It was by chance, neither one of us was looking for someone. I was actually still in a relationship.

Hobosnake's avatar

@poofandmook: keywords: “neither of us was looking for someone.”

I wish both of you a happy relationship :)

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

I fell in love with my husband online, so yes

Zen's avatar

I was waiting for you @Simone_De_Beauvoir . How many others on wis. met that way – I recall a few couples and you all got together once or twice, eh?

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@Zen I met another couple that met on wis.dm, yes

Kraigmo's avatar

I know for sure people fall in love on the internet. And the love is solid because they, somehow, were able to not disappoint each other in person.

But in most cases, its people falling in love with a fantasy created in their minds based on the woman or man they are talking to, rather than the actual woman or man, who they know very little about, except for those things that are expressible in language.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

Short answer: Absolutely, yes.

I don’t think most people are capable of it, but some are.

bianlink's avatar

No. What they actually love is their own imagination.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@bianlink when I fell in love with my husband online, he was not part of my imagination…meeting someone was not part of my imagination…I was married, I was not on a dating site, I didn’t know where it would lead…

poofandmook's avatar

@bianlink: Like DrasticDreamer said, some people aren’t capable of it. That works both ways. Some people aren’t capable of portraying the real person on the internet… in my case, my boyfriend and I left nothing to the imagination… there was almost nothing to fantasize about, or rather I should say… there was almost nothing to imagine or make up.

There are many of us in this thread who have fallen in love online, and it was only confirmed when we met in person. Some of them are married to the one they met on the internet, and some of us are on that track.

So if you ask me, the people who say it’s not possible… their answers almost don’t count here. It’s possible, and a lot of us are proof of that. That was the answer to the question. Is it possible? Yes, it is possible. Rare maybe, but possible. End of story.

I would be lying if I didn’t admit that responses like bianlink’s were really getting on my nerves. Just because you haven’t been lucky enough to experience it doesn’t mean it’s not possible.

Zen's avatar

@bianlink Could you back that up with studies, please? @ Matt Browne if you read this: could @bianlink be correct: are we basically just falling in love with our imagination? Could I sound more like fucking Carrie Bradshaw right now?

wundayatta's avatar

Just because what you love is this fantasy you have built in your imagination, as @bianlink says, doesn’t mean you can’t turn that fantasy into reality. We do the same thing in in-person relationships. Much of our first attraction is based on very little but the way the person looks, or how they react to you. We construct fantasies about people we know in real life, too. It’s just that there’s more to go on in real life.

We certainly have plenty of examples of people who have met over the internet. We have no idea how many people meet, believing they were in love, and found they were sadly mistaken.

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georgetony's avatar

yes its possible… and it happens…

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