In the Iliad, why does Paris withdraw from the fighting?

As soon as I read all 24 books, I’ll get back to you.

Haha no you just need to read up to book 6! :)

So, why does he?

I don’t know, why else would I be asking fluther?

@standardtoaster Yeah, like from what I understood, he got scared and ran off and that was that. But then sparknotes describes him as being “grief-stricken”, so I thought it was for a particular reason. I don’t know.

[mod says:] How about for some serious answers now?

This sounds like something maybe your teacher expects you to extract from your reading and think about yourself. It’s not a canned answer that you should be looking for but a thoughtful consideration of what you’ve read and an effort at understanding.

@Allie, are you saying we should be giving homework answers?

@Jeruba Are you saying people shouldn’t ask their peers for help?

Lol @Jeruba… well it isn’t a question he asked outright. I’m trying to write an essay, and to make a point about something, it would help if I knew why Paris stops fighting. But alas, I do not.

@Allie, there’s help and then there’s help. Supplying an answer for a quiz question or an essay on something you were assigned to read but haven’t is not what we usually think of as help. Has fluther’s policy changed?

@Jeruba She has read it. She doesn’t understand it. She’s looked in SparkNotes. She’s asking for help from her peers. And I think this is quite a bit different than “What’s the answer to this math problem?” I’ve asked a question on here about Karl Marx – it was a homework question. I needed help understanding what his writings were about. Is that wrong?

@Jeruba

Pretty sure she doesn’t have an assignment that reads “Please write an essay about why Paris withdraws from battle”.

@le_inferno Have any luck with your other question?

Apparently not, @avvooooooo .

Jeruba is right. Period. Everyone else, please shut up. Children, go do your homework. Lights out in ½ an hour.

Next question.

;-) Lurve.

@le_inferno Let me get this straight. You’ve looked at spark notes which were not helpful. You’ve asked a question on two different Q&A sites to try and get people to do your homework for you… Have you even read the relevant portion?

@le_inferno This is not a DO MY SCHOOLWORK FOR ME site.

If you act like a child, prepare to be treated like one.

For the answer to your question, do you even know why there was a war? Might that have something to do with Paris’s feelings about the whole deal and the fight?

@le_inferno You’re cute when you’re mad. 18 not a child? Harumf. Wish I was 18 again.

@le_inferno: Sit down and write a simple version of the story line. You may get some ideas. It is a famous legend, and I agree with the majority of answers here. Use that transferred anger for your studies.

If you are old enough to take a course that requires you to read the Iliad, you are old enough to do your own critical thinking. Or, perhaps, go and talk to your professor. That was a very silly outburst for an 18-year old.

@avvooooooo Where the fuck do you see me asking for people to write a 1,200 word essay for me? What I’m asking is a minor detail I plan to mention in my paper. It’s irking me that I don’t know the context of Paris’s withdrawal, so I figured I’d “tap the collective” to see if I could get someone to come to my aid. No one is doing my goddamn homework.
I didn’t ask the question to get chastised, I asked the question to get an answer. So if you’re not going to do that, kindly browse elsewhere. Otherwise I have every reason to flag your response.

By the way, you had me at GTFO of my question. And to answer your questions, implied or otherwise, I am neither bitter nor lemon, and I was not being serious, note the wink and lurve.

Should you have the time between assignments and tests, and be so inclined, check out some other questions and see what we’re about. Besides homework tips.

You’re right: we didn’t have google and internet. We had a library and Brittanica.

That’s why we retained the information. Duh.

I have every reason to flag all your cursing us out. I was polite. Sarcastic, but polite.

You use the f-word quite a bit.

[mod says:] Flame off. Also, if you’re not going to answer the question, please move on. If you don’t think it belongs on Fluther, flag it.

[not as a mod:] Sorry your Q was hijacked, @le_inferno. Part of that is my fault. Apologies.

I love how people ignore the purpose of a question to exact their little moral lesson.

Where exactly in the Fluther guidelines does it say you cannot ask a question like this? Oh yeah, that’s right: NOWHERE.

People get help from other people all the time; it’s natural and it’s part of being human and often, it really helps.

And I don’t know the answer, sorry. Haven’t read it since freshman year and I don’t intend to read it again…(Class doesn’t start until Monday for me so I have a lot of extra time right now).

@avvooooooo What don’t you understand about “minor detail?”
The essay question is not why Paris withdrew from battle. Far from it, in fact. If you must know, the prompt is to analyze three scenes in the Iliad which indicate that there are some things which might be more important than winning glory on the battlefield.

@le_inferno Then you’re in the wrong scene. Book 6 is about the importance of wining glory and protecting honor on the battlefield.

Reading is a wonderful thing.

It’s a good thing it’s not about why Achilles withdrew from the battle, because that, of course. was not a minor detail but a central theme.

Okay, @avvooooooo, I get that. I get that the scene involved Paris rejoining the battle because Hector said WTF are you doing, pussy, get out there and kill Greeks. The point I’d like to address is that even though Paris was eventually pulled back into the quest for “glory,” whatever caused him to be “grief-stricken” was a force powerful enough to draw him away from that quest, even temporarily.

@le_inferno You’re not getting it. The whole thing with Hector and Paris is that there is nothing more important than glory and honor in battle. So get your ass out there and be a glorified, honorable coward.

Wrong scene for your point.

Again, why are they at war? What did Paris do/cause?

A more suitable use of this site would have been for le_inferno to posit some ideas and then ask the collection what it thought and possibly to discuss the various POVs. How did Virgil write “pussy” in Latin, anyway?

The question about Achilles is the really interesting one. Why did he? Pique, envy, lust, immaturity,

[mod says] Personal attacks are not permitted and have been removed.

@gailcalled cunnus

Latin profanity

@avvooooooo Helen
Anyway, I think I was looking at it in a different light, but I can see why it’s not the best support.
I kind of eliminated it as an option, anyway.
The others I have are Achilles’ schpiel on life itself > glory (choosing a long obscure life over a short glorious one)

Alternative motives to fight, other than glory. i.e., death of Patroclus. Achilles was fighting because of rage, revenge… not for glory. Glory was a mere by-product. So, I can make the point that human bonds transcend the need for glory. Glory was indeed a result of Achille’s rage, but it was an example of a case where the war did more harm than good, and glory did not compensate for the loss of a loved one. Glory was not good enough.

And then I was gonna do the burial scene, to show that underneath the gore and bloodshed and quest for glory was a deep underlying respect for life and that death was regarded with the proper weight.

Eh?

@gailcalled All my searches took me to various Latin pussy sites which were fun, but not helpful. I have taken a cold shower and resumed the search. The closest I can do for Latin pussy is “cat” in Latvian from Google translator (there’s no Latin there): kaķis.

Hope this helps.

@Zen Yeah, its cunnus. See above.

I also got a few of those “fun” sites before I got smart with my Google.

@le_inferno Basically, everyone is out there dying because of Paris. He’s being a pussy and shining up his shit so that he looks pretty. When this is brought home to him… yeah.

Priam ransoms his son’s body and causes a truce doing it. Sounds important to me.

[Mod Says] Flame off please.

@The_Compassionate_Heretic A little late on that, aren’t ya?

@avvooooooo The song remains the same. It’s not worth fighting about.

Oh, mature. No criticism allowed for moderators. Would this be more like a kingdom where criticizing the governing nobility gets you struck down or some other type of government that censors everything they don’t agree with?

@avvooooooo If you wish to discuss moderation, please do so privately,
not on someone else’s thread.

@augustlan If there was a response, that would be a solution of sorts. But without one, however… Not so much.

Absolute power…

God I love Fluther

@Ivan lol