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Is it possible that crazy people are the normal ones?

Asked by FireMadeFlesh (16603points) September 19th, 2009

Sanity is a relative term, where one state of mind is accepted and others shunned. Naturally, the state of mind deemed ‘normal’ is that of the most powerful people. For example, historically those who were homosexual were considered insane, and left handedness was ‘corrected’. Although these are no longer ‘treated’ in most of the world, is it possible that other so called disorders that we treat are in fact more normal than ourselves? Maybe depressed people have a better understanding of the nature of life. Maybe ADD affected people are reacting to changes in the environment that we do not perceive, and feel as if it is a disorder because of social pressures.

As always, I do not necessarily believe this is such, but even hypothetically how would we know it they were the normal ones?

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Zen's avatar

You may be right. I may be crazy. But it just may be a lunatic you’re looking for.

B. Joel

sandystrachan's avatar

Define ’ Normal ’

FireMadeFlesh's avatar

@sandystrachan Normal is the accepted form of something, as decided by mutual consensus of the majority or most powerful group.

dpworkin's avatar

You may be interested in the work of Thomas Szasz who is known for having addressed this issue in a scholarly manner.

FireMadeFlesh's avatar

@pdworkin Thank you, I may look into it one day. The idea was mentioned in my sociology subject I took last year, possibly in relation to Foucault.

rebbel's avatar

If we take in consideration all the people who, in reality-shows/blogs/dating-sites/Facebook-and-the-likes-sites, state that they are a little crazy, then i think your question should be answered with a yes.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

To quote someone famous: “The lunatics are running the asylum” and as my wife says about her work Q: “How do you tell the staff from the patients?” A: “Staff has keys.”

We are all fucked up in our little ways. A little known fact, some men in power like to be humiliated and spanked by prostitutes and dominatrixes.

Normal? Ain’t no such thing, baby!

AstroChuck's avatar

Yes. In an insane society, the sane man appears insane.

Whoobupupupup bisquit twin.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

@AstroChuck so what does that make you, buddy?

AstroChuck's avatar

Me? Why I’m hib-hib fatang of course.

The_Compassionate_Heretic's avatar

What’s “normal”? We have yet to establish this standard.

jazzjeppe's avatar

As many others said, we need to establish what “normal” is. I for one would hate being called normal. I want to be special :)

Ria777's avatar

“crazy” doesn’t mean much of anything.

@pdworkin: thanks for bringing up the work of Thomas Szasz. I respect his views on psychiatry (and Foucault’s, I think, even though I haven’t read this work) even if I disapprove of Szasz having leant credence to the CCHR and therefore to the Church of Scientology. I treat the Church of Scientology and psychiatry with equal contempt.

cbloom8's avatar

Maybe, but the fact that ‘crazy’ people exhibit hundreds of different combinations of odd behaviors and are not all alike suggests that ‘normal’ people are in fact normal and crazy people have a number of possible problems. Normal people are more alike than crazy people, which means that they become the ‘default’ existence.

Ria777's avatar

so-called normal people merely do a better job of appearing to conform. stereotypical behavior abounds in both groups.

brinibear's avatar

But the word normal has such a broad definition. Something that is normal for me is most likely going to be taboo for somebody else.

One thing I was told is that there is a fine line between genius, and insanity. Like the Christopher Llyod from Back to the Future.

XOIIO's avatar

How do you really know who’s “crazy” and “normal”?

Maybe were the crazy ones and they are normal.

Maybe were all crazy.

Maybe were all normal.

Think about it.

Bluefreedom's avatar

We’re all normal AND crazy at some point or other during our lifetimes. No one is perfect or completely and totally sane throughout an entire lifespan. Source – my honest and unflinching opinion.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

@Bluefreedom if you are crazy, there is no hope for the rest of us. I think I just died in your arms. =)

cookieman's avatar

“Normal” and “crazy” are such broad terms they are useless. There’s certainly clinical definitions of known mental-health issues, but I like to look at someone’s functionality.

If you can get through the day, complete the basic tasks in life and interact with other people well enough so as not be arrested…you’re sane enough in my book.

YARNLADY's avatar

The meaning of the words normal and crazy have become so diluted, there can be no meaningful discussion using them without defining your terms.

In general, normal would mean the behavior that is exhibited by the majority of the population, and crazy would mean the behavior that is considered unacceptable by the majority of the population.

They are relative terms that simply describe acceptable and unacceptable behavior, and are subject to change, depending on the general population.

Bluefreedom's avatar

@evelyns_pet_zebra. I say let’s get crazy together. Let’s see what kind of mischief fun we can have. You in? =)

Zen's avatar

@Bluefreedom Whadya have in mind, big guy? (See my other query: Am I Gay? for hints)

shego's avatar

I believe that everybody is crazy, and normal. What I mean is if you put two people in a room, and tell them that they need to act to society’s norms, they would eat, that is normal. But would it be the same exact thing that they eat, probably not. There is not a single person out there who has the exact same thoughts, as another, at the same moment. Unless we are talking about another dimension. I consider myself normal, but I am also weird, and crazy. I’m not like what others believe to be the norm. So, I have given up on the words and thoughts of insanity, and normal. I am unique. And if you don’t like it, go suck eggs.

wundayatta's avatar

Think about “normal” for a second. It’s a statistical concept. It doesn’t say anything about any individual. It’s about the behavior of all people in the sample, on whatever attributes are being measured, divided by the number of people in the sample.

Statistics can be misleading in so many ways. Are the attributes measured important? Do they help us understand anything about humans that we care about? Do they actually measure what they are supposed to be measuring?

What about the sample of people measured in this survey? Are they truly representative of the population? Which population does the sample represent?

Finally, we should remember that looking only at the average can be misleading if that is all we look at. The amount and strength of variation are also important. What does it mean to look at an average when the variation of the population is enormous?

So that’s statistics. Humans don’t count things in daily life. Our brains make observations and estimate averages and variation without taking scientifically accurate observations. But our observations in daily life can also be thrown off by the same things that are thrown off by carefully measured statistics.

We may be making our judgments about normality based on a group of people who are actually unlike the population as a whole. We may be paying attention to an incomplete set of traits in other people—or even the wrong traits. We may also be paying too much attention to our perception of the average and not appreciating the amount of variation. Also, there may be hidden behavior that we are not aware of, because people don’t want others to know they aren’t as “normal” as others are.

Crazy, as we seem to use it, means far from normal. In statistical terms, that means beyond 3 standard deviations from the average. It’s a very small percent of people—maybe less than one percent.

Humans exhibit so many kinds of behaviors that could be measured. If you look at all of them, then surely every individual must behave in a way that is far from normal, on at least one measure. So everyone could be considered “crazy” on at least one trait.

So crazy people are crazy in one or more ways, and normal people have no ways in which they stand out. Which means pretty much everyone is “crazy.” Being crazy, then, is normal. The thing is that we mostly pay attention to our differences. It’s easier to compare ourselves on things where we are quite different, than it is on traits where we are pretty close. Thus, perceptually, we are more likely to think we are quite different from others, since we focus mainly on differences.

Mostly we know ourselves the best. This means we are more likely to see ourselves as abnormal that we are to see others as abnormal. We may struggle to be normal, but in the end, it’s very hard to succeed. You probably have to ignore a lot of things in order to think of yourself as normal. I’d venture to say that it’s a person who abnormally able to ignore many things who would consider themselves normal.

Of course, having said all that, I am truly crazy. I have the certificate to prove it!

YARNLADY's avatar

@daloon That’s what my brother always says when people call him crazy.

Hobosnake's avatar

crazy people aren’t normal—they’re enlightened.

filmfann's avatar

@Zen I am convinced that anyone who quote Billy Joel is crazy.
@Hobosnake Touched is the word I would have used.
We wouldn’t have progress without crazy. Crazy makes people think outside the box.

Berserker's avatar

Sanity isn’t defined any further, generally, than by what makes cultures and their societies work as they do. So you might be right, unless Darwin is right.

I always figured that homeless people were actually fairies and brownies testing that which is commonly defined as humanism, and that the ravings of the mad were portals to alternate universes, but what do I know.

Fact is, the insane are clinically defined for running by a logic that only makes sense to them in comparative to the sheep logic which sends me to work every day, which, in elaboration, has been classified as mental disorder…serial killers, skitzos and so forth…but aye aye capn, that still doesn’t tell us who is actually correct, that is, if anyone precisely is?

YARNLADY's avatar

I just have to laugh about all these questions and answers that throw psychological terms like that really meant something. I see “crazy”, “passive-aggressive”, “narcissistic”, and OCD bandied about all over the place. These are terms that might have meaning in technical discussions by psychology professionals, but the way they appear on Fluther is hilarious.

Berserker's avatar

@YARNLADY I don’t get it. What do you mean?

YARNLADY's avatar

I mean that using the words like crazy and the others I mentioned in questions and answers is meaningless. They are words that are at best vague and ambiguous and only have any “real” meaning in the psychological setting where they originated. When used in the popular vernacular by the general population, they become nothing more than so much blah, blah, blah.

Berserker's avatar

So you mean like they’re basically personal opinion, which has nothing to do with whatever fact the words originally hold?

wundayatta's avatar

Not so much personal opinion as fantasy.

YARNLADY's avatar

@Symbeline As used by the general population, yes, personal opinion, not the psychiatric diagnosis as originally developed.

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