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Has anybody read the Fountainhead by Ayn Rand? What do you think about it and its philosophy?

Asked by ruk_d (267points) October 13th, 2009

-Selfishness vs. Selflessness
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dpworkin's avatar

It’s an old snooze that tends to appeal to undergrads. If you find an adult who relies on it for the underpinnings of his philosophy of life, you have discovered a case of arrested development.

nikipedia's avatar

I think it’s childish and fundamentally misunderstands the human condition. We’re all one interconnected organism, whether we like it or not.

Dog's avatar

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dpworkin's avatar

what up, dawg?

ruk_d's avatar

okay so i was writing my response to your earlier comment mr.pdworkin but my laptop has a bad wifi connection. but back to my response. I think that you are wrong about that. That book has given names to a lot of things that i see wrong with people and their way of acting. Everything in life has social standards. Although, i am not as infactuated with the idea of objectivism as the majority of the ppl that have read this book, i can’t deny that it puts forth the right idea. the idea to live your life free of limits but only those set by your own ego. i am selfish and proud. my life is more important than that of my neighbors because it is mine. i love myself more. and also like the book somewhat says, the best way to help your neighbor is to help yourself. the life i lead could be the example for someone else’s even though that is not my intention.

dpworkin's avatar

I assume you are young, and will learn that it is just a crock of shit. We all thought it meant something when we were young. If I am wrong, then I am the one who has found a case of arrested development.

lifeflame's avatar

As an artist, I think the novel raises questions of integrity/idealism vs. practical ‘must-pay the-bills’ reality. (You might find this fluther thread interesting)

I wouldn’t use it to build my philosophy, but there are certain ideas and emotional truths there which I think are valid. I read it over a decade ago, and Roark, Dominique, Peter and Katie continue to stick in my mind as characters. The other day, for example, the idea that , “love is about making exceptions” randomnly popped into my head. So I think certain ideas contain resonance.

I also had a lot of fun imagining some of the buildings (e.g., the Enright House, the Cortland estate.

Ayn Rand was an extremely controversial figure, and I think if you understand how she came from communist Russia and was reacting to the strongly socialist ideas of that time, you can understand why she elevates the individual to such a degree.

(Incidentally, I think it is much better than Atlas Struggled, which is a philosophical treatise disguised as a novel.)

jw67's avatar

I read it in high school. My English teacher gave page credits rather than credit for number of books read, so that’s why I chose it. As I recall, it was about 1100 pages long and my teacher gave me credit for 1500 pages since it was such tedious reading. And man, it WAS tedious. It took me a week to read it, whereas books like “In Cold Blood” and “The Grapes of Wrath” would get read in a single night.

BOR-ring is the best way to describe it. I think Rand was getting paid by the word on this one. If you haven’t read her books and want to get an idea of her philosophy, try her book “Anthem”. It’s super short, even shorter than Animal Farm, I think. You can read it in just a few trips to the crapper.

ruk_d's avatar

to you it is my youth but i have been seeing it this way even before i read the novel which was about a month ago. like i said i am not infactuated by it but it speaks a lot of truth to me. it makes sense and is logical. i found a companion in the book that i can relate to. my idea is still the same as it was before i read the novel. the novel has not altered but onlly pushed me to keep my mind as mine.

ruk_d's avatar

my boyfriend introduced the book to me. i have teased him for being “hypnotized” by the novel. and tell him that he completely goes against the novel for following it the way he does. the book screams out individualism and one’s own originality and so by him quoting the book and following its belief to the point where he does things to fit that idea he has done the exact opposite of what the book puts out. he does not think for himself but allows the book to think for him.

i have heard of the anthem but like i said am not too infactuated by the novel to follow it in that manner. i might one day pick it but it will just happen. some ppl have suggested i read atlas shrugged. i’m not sure what that one is about.

i am currently reading Stephen King’s Nightmares and Dreamscapes.

evegrimm's avatar

I liked Fountainhead; however, I see it as more of a gateway to understanding other philosophies and as something to compare and contrast with rather than the “final solution” to all philosophical problems.

I don’t think Rand is necessarily right about all things, but some of what she says hits the nail on the head—if you read her as a commentary on capitalism, iirc, it’s more true (within major capitialist societies, anyway) than as a life philosophy.

MagsRags's avatar

I remember thinking Atlas Shrugged was a great book when I was in my early 20s, more so than The Fountainhead – the movie was so mainstream Hollywood I think I thought it was the book’s fault for being not perfect enough.

Ayn Rand did introduce me to the idea of enlightened self interest, which I think can be a useful perspective.

wundayatta's avatar

I read one of those books, although I don’t remember which one. I remember enjoying the story, but I’m afraid the philosophy just went zinging over my head. Maybe I just couldn’t imagine anyone taking a story like that and turning it into a world view.

What @lifeflame said about her being from the USSR sure helps put her views in context. It’s probably a reaction (or an over reaction) to her life experience, and like a margarita, should be taken with many grains of salt.

gailcalled's avatar

I read parts of in on a twelve-hour train trip to camp in Maine (from Penn Station). I was 12 and let the book fall open to the rape scene. Roark and Dominique’s “act of love” left me, even at that age, wondering why everyone was reading the entire book.

augustlan's avatar

Ayn Rand and I are not at all compatible. I read Anthem, and wish I hadn’t.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

I’ve read enough about Ayn Rand’s works to know that reading it would pretty much be a waste of time. Sort of like reading Mein Kampf was a waste of time. I’m not comparing Ayn Rand to Adolf Hitler, since I would guess Ayn Rand is better with punctuation.

drdoombot's avatar

There is much to find reprehensible about The Fountainhead, but the book is not entirely without merit. Maintaining one’s integrity, working hard and never allowing oneself to be mediocre about one’s passion are all good ideas. Breaking from tradition when your ideas are better, ignoring the judgment of others and walking your own path are great ideas. My problem with Rand is not so much her elevation of the individual, but her degradation of the collective, altruism and selflessness.

In the character of Ellsworth M. Toohey, she portrays a person beloved by all who appears to be saintly in his actions, but is devilish in his intentions. It’s obvious that her message with this character is that the only reason we believe in doing altruistic actions is because forces similar to Toohey have convinced us these actions are good, though the true intent is to control and subjugate us. As a person grows older and wiser, he or she realizes this is simply not true. Can anyone objectively feel that feeding a hungry person, helping a person move or babysitting for a friend is a waste of time? Is the satisfaction one feels from helping others a manipulated emotion? Rand misses a key element of the advancement of human civilization: helping others is helping ourselves. Ancient humans banded together to kill big game so that everyone could eat. We take care of others because one day we will have to be taken care of (no matter how “great” and “selfish” you are, those feelings won’t sustain you in old age or illness).

Howard Roark represents an ideal man who sticks to his guns when it comes to his art, but how do you apply that type of uncompromising attitude toward other professions? How do you maintain integrity when you drive a cab, push a mop on the floor or give haircuts? Not everyone can be great. There’s also something deeply disturbing about the characters who are like Roark. Dominique Francon’s insistence on punishing herself because she lives in a world where Roark is not appreciated is just odd, especially considering how intelligent she seemed before she ever met Roark. Gail Wynand’s desire to make people stew in their own sleaziness and control men of lesser caliber than himself is revolting. Stephen Mallory tries to shoot Toohey early in the novel. If anything, Rand seems to be showing how easily when one can go wrong in trying to be an ideal human.

And yet, despite the inconsistencies and flaws, Rand got some things right, though I’m sure it was unintentional. In Toohey’s speech near the end of the book, he describes the things he did in his diabolical plan to take power. For instance, he talks of making people unable to recognize greatness by enshrining mediocrity. You don’t have to flip many channels to see how the rise of Paris Hiltons, Kim Kardashians and other reality stars have basically turned everyone into celebrities, taking attention away from people who might actually be talented. The same goes for the crappy movies, books and other media we are exposed to these days. Another thing Toohey says he did to gain power was help destroy reason by replacing it with something higher, like morality or religion. I don’t think I can think of better modern examples than “bringing democracy” to Iraq or the debate of including creationism and intelligent design in school curricula. I don’t for a second think there is a single person behind these real life examples of Toohey’s methods, but I don’t think anyone can deny that they are real-life analogues designed to distract and discourage people from paying attention. And when people aren’t paying attention, people with power get away with murder.

So Rand isn’t wrong about encouraging people to strive for integrity and greatness, though she is greatly mistaken in her condemnation of altruism, which ultimately benefits all people. And frighteningly, she’s kind of right about the structures and methods that are in place that keep people from using their reason, like religion and popular culture.

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