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The_Compassionate_Heretic's avatar

In your opinion, what should be the ideal function of law?

Asked by The_Compassionate_Heretic (14634points) October 15th, 2009

How should law function in a just society?

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CMaz's avatar

How does law function in your home?

Then transfer that system to society.

potrick's avatar

@ChazMaz

Yeah, we really want President Obama saying “Because I said so, that’s why, and as long as you’re living under my roof you’ll damn well respect me” to defend his decisions.

Jayne's avatar

The law should be used to ensure quality of life, to an agreed-upon standard, for citizens. It should not be used to enforce a moral code, no matter how basic or universal that morality is. Criminal law can be used to deter, by threat of consequences, actions that would infringe upon other citizens’ quality of life, or to prevent further (or in some cases, perhaps, initial) infringements by limiting the freedom of the offender. It should not be used to punish the offender for breaching the standing moral code. No, not even if the person murders your kid. The law should imprison the person so he cannot do further harm, and indeed the sentence should be harsh so as to deter other potential murderers; but the legal mindset shouldn’t be to punish, or to ‘bring justice’ to the murderer, but only to prevent harm.

DarkScribe's avatar

Aside from forming the basis of many TV show themes?

CMaz's avatar

“and as long as you’re living under my roof you’ll damn well respect me”

Only problem with that is HE is living under our roof.

virtualist's avatar

Law School 101

Dispute Resolution—> Maintain and Restore Social Order
Facilitate Planning—> Project Consequences of Actions
Educative Function—> Instill and Reflect Values of Society
Legitimizing” Function—> Reflects Lack of Other Social Institutions

CMaz's avatar

Educative Function—> Instill and Reflect Values of Society

Including the ever-changing “values of society”?

Seems to be the hardest one to hold on to.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

The “as long as your living under my roof…law” worked pretty well at my house when I was a child. My Mom had a mean back hand (and I don’t mean tennis) and my Dad, well let’s just say Dad had a wicked way with a leather belt.

that was part of the reason I didn’t have kids, I didn’t want to treat them how I was treated, and I inherited a mean temper from BOTH of my parents.

proXXi's avatar

The law should function as an agent of fairness by regarding citizens of all kinds only as individuals.

Harp's avatar

Just to define some terms here, there’s Law, which delineates the boundaries between acceptable and unacceptable behaviors, defines the powers and obligations of government and defines the rights and obligations of the citizenry.

Then there’s law enforcement, which is about busting violators and preventing infractions.

Then there’s Justice, which interprets how the law is practically applied, including resolving disputes and enacting penalties.

So if we’re just talking here about law, as opposed to its practical application, then I’d say that the line between acceptable and unacceptable behaviors should be determined on the basis of preventing harm to the security, property and health of others (I say this, though, knowing full-well that the question of what exactly constitutes “harm” is a murky one; I don’t, for instance, know exactly how one goes about resolving questions of shielding children from sexually explicit material. It’s sometimes difficult to untangle our tradition- and religion-based notions of harm from real evidence-based determinations; are boobs “sexually explicit”?).

It should also be crafted to ensure equal standing of all members of society before the law (but even here, how do you determine when a person loses some of that standing, and how much of it he loses? Murky again). This includes making accommodations for the disadvantaged (murky again).

And wow, defining the powers and obligations of government and the rights and obligations of the citizenry—I don’t have enough time remaining in the year to delve into that, but I’ll just say that Americans have thus far been a bit too timid about bringing the power of government to bear on problems of human suffering. As tools go, government is a big hammer, capable of doing lots of damage when used indiscriminately. But when there are nails to be driven to build a decent life for all our people, then we just have to swing that hammer as best we can.

dpworkin's avatar

“Lawyers are a race of men, bred from birth to argue, with words multiplied for the purpose, that black is white, or white black, according as how they are paid.”
—Jno. Swift

jackm's avatar

Protect our life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. If a law does none if these, it has no place in America.

Harp's avatar

@jackm How about laws prohibiting animal cruelty? Or the Endangered Species Act?

jackm's avatar

@Harp
You are talking about regulating morality, which I don’t agree with

Harp's avatar

@jackm An exhibitionist should have the right to flash kids?

proXXi's avatar

@jackm, You don’t believe in regulating morality? Why? Prohibition was a huge success!

jackm's avatar

@Harp
Its a parents duty to protect their kids.

Harp's avatar

@jackm Protect them how, in this case?

jackm's avatar

Keep them away from people who do that. Or explain to them that there are bad people in the world.

Harp's avatar

@jackm What if he follows your kids wherever they go?

jackm's avatar

If he breaks into your house and flashes your kids he broke the law.

So you arrest him.

Harp's avatar

So your solution would be to keep the kids in the house as much as possible, and to tell them the naked guy they see everywhere else is bad?

jackm's avatar

In this very non-realistic example I would keep my kids on private property as much as possible and explain to them that the weirdo following them naked is just that.

Harp's avatar

Well, perhaps it’s non-realistic because we’re used to living in a society where such actions are illegal.

The_Compassionate_Heretic's avatar

Law needs to protect the innocent from those who would otherwise prey on them. This includes protecting children from perverts. This is a pretty basic element of law.

jackm's avatar

I think we are confusing national law and local or neighborhood ordinance.

The national government should not be making it illegal to flash kids.

Your neighborhood can say that people are not allowed in if they flash kids.

The_Compassionate_Heretic's avatar

@jackm I’m talking about all law.

Harp's avatar

@jackm But how is that different? Are there some neighborhoods where that would be fine, and others where it wouldn’t? You had said earlier that such laws don’t belong in America.

jackm's avatar

@Harp
We were both thinking about different governing bodies (Or so I think)
I was thinking of the United States government, and you were thinking of a local government.

@The_Compassionate_Heretic
Well then we disagree

Harp's avatar

Well, if it’s OK to make laws that don’t have anything to do with life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness, on how local a level does it have to be? State? City? Neighborhood? What would make it OK on one particular level, but not OK on the next one up? For that matter, why would it be OK for the whole neighborhood to make laws like this for my block?

jackm's avatar

The higher up you go, the less choice you have on being under those laws.

For example: A neighborhood could ban sheds, because they think they are ugly. The Fed can’t

Harp's avatar

The opinion on stuff like sheds will vary from neighborhood to neighborhood, but no one’s gonna want that flasher. Does every single block have to have a set of laws prohibiting flashers? If something is virtually universally considered unacceptable behavior (and I would argue that animal cruelty falls into this same category), then why not prohibit them at higher levels?

YARNLADY's avatar

@jackm I’m a little late to this discussion, but I have to ask how is a local law not a law? The question doesn’t seem to specify which level of law we are talking about. The basic function of “law” is the same at every level, whether it is about sheds and littering or murder and stealing.

The function of law is to define put the basic rules of relationships between people.

jackm's avatar

@YARNLADY
I agree, I shouldn’t have assumed the OP was talking about federal law.

DarkScribe's avatar

@YARNLADY I’m a little late to this discussion, but I have to ask how is a local law not a law?

Three areas of Government are Federal, State, and Local. Most local governments enact “bylaws”, not laws. They are more of a regulation than a law.

YARNLADY's avatar

@DarkScribe When regulations have the same effect as law, there is no need, for the purpose of this discussion, to differentiate. @jackm seemed to be saying if it’s a local law, it’s not a law. The “function” of law, whether you choose to call it a rule, a regulation, or a law, is to facilitate the interaction between people.

jackm's avatar

@YARNLADY
When I first answered the question, I was thinking federal laws. When I was presented with arguments, I said that local laws can have different functions. This means I was wrong when I said my first statement.

sorry for the confusion.

DarkScribe's avatar

@YARNLADY When regulations have the same effect as law, there is no need, for the purpose of this discussion, to differentiate.

If they were the same ok, but a bylaw is NOT a law in many cases. It is a local ordinance, a regulation often not really any more legal than a company’s regulations regarding its employees. It only applies within the council or local government precinct and is often hard to enforce as higher courts can overturn decisions based on them. People often fight them and win – something you don’t do with real law.

YARNLADY's avatar

@DarkScribe The only use of the word By-Laws that I know of is a set of rules of order for private organizations, and do not have the power of “Law”, but yet still perform the same function. People often do over turn and reverse “real” laws as well, such as Prohibition, various marriage laws over the years, and I’m sure many more.

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