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Why can't people admit that they are naturally entertained by violence?

Asked by grntwlkr (179points) October 31st, 2009

It is human nature to enjoy watching violence, (action movies, scary movies, violent video games, Halloween… the news.) However a lot of people will not admit they enjoy watching people be killed, tortured, shot, drown, poisoned ext. Good or bad, Why can’t people admit this?

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Facade's avatar

I’m only entertained if I know it’s fake. Real violence makes me sad.

gailcalled's avatar

I can speak for no one but myself. I get no pleasure from watching gratuitous violence (either fiction, or worse, in the news).

RareDenver's avatar

I’m entertained by the fictional depiction of violence and sport violence (willing participants) but violent actions against an innocent and unwilling person upset me.

I used to do a bit of boxing and found it fun, I’ve also had the shit kicked out of me by drunken men and found it far from fun, similar thing I guess. I even have a metal plate in my leg due to a bit of random street violence I was subjected to.

gussnarp's avatar

You are committing the logical fallacy known as “begging the question”. While we’re at it, let’s ask “when did you stop beating your wife?” You are making a blanket assumption for which you have no evidence. Maybe not everyone is like you. Maybe we really don’t find watching violence entertaining. I will admit to enjoying a good violent action movie, but when I see violence that actually appears real, I assure you it does not entertain me. Seeing torture, real or fake, does not in any way entertain me. Are you perhaps a little too entertained by violence and feeling guilty about so it makes you feel better to pretend everyone is the same?

grntwlkr's avatar

Search deep in yourself and admit the truth.

faye's avatar

not true. are you a victim of abuse—mental or physical?

grntwlkr's avatar

By nature this is not logical. It is an emotional argument. I am not a violent person. But I enjoy watching violence. Fiction immitates reality.

gailcalled's avatar

@grntwlkr: Fiction immitates reality.

Only sometimes. (imitates)

Psychedelic_Zebra's avatar

I’ll watch a violent fake movie, but Hell, I can’t even watch the surgery channel, that shit makes me sick.

jeffgoldblumsprivatefacilities's avatar

Nothing depresses me like real-life violence. I was watching a show on the Discovery Channel earlier about gangs and had to turn it off because I just can’t stomach it. I don’t like seeing people in pain, or causing pain to others.

That being said, fictional violence can often be very entertaining (TV, Movies, Video Games, etc.). I think that knowing it isn’t real, and no people are really being hurt is what makes the difference.

ECassandra's avatar

I suspect that this question is the work of a troll, because it’s ridiculous to assert that every member of the human race enjoys watching violence take place. It would be fair to say that reports of violence, especially those that include gruesome details, seem to attract our attention more than, say, reports on fiscal conservatism, but to conclude from that observation that it’s human nature to enjoy watching violence is gross oversimplification. This question is predicated on an assumption that delegitimizes the feelings and experiences of people who do not enjoy violence, real or fictional.

RareDenver's avatar

@ECassandra all good and well but let’s face it, a lot of people like watching some kind of violence, be it sport, movies, even songs, poetry and books depicting violence. People flock to it and more do than don’t

oratio's avatar

@ECassandra But there he has a point. People seem to be very entertained by hockey fights on the ice for instance. There are bloody fights in the ring. The phenomena of bull fighting, dog fights and cock fights.

But you are right in that it’s a bit of a blanket statement.

DominicX's avatar

I’m not entertained by most violence. I find gore, blood, killing, etc. all undesirable. I do find murder stories interesting, but I like them for the mystery, not for the bloodshed.

ECassandra's avatar

@RareDenver @oratio I’m not denying that a lot of people like watching violence, or that more than a few people are entertained by fighting. I’d have no trouble believing that a majority of people are entertained by violence, and I’m not casting any judgment on those people, either.

My only problem is with the assertion that it is human nature to enjoy violence. I think that statements about what is, or is not, “human nature” are more often than not generalizations that fail to take into account the bias of one’s personal experiences. The question implies that those who say they do not enjoy violence are liars. I don’t believe that’s fair.

RareDenver's avatar

@ECassandra fair point and I’m so drunk I just threw my mouse off the table so I bid you good night

acidlogik's avatar

I don’t really enjoy watching violence of any sort (real or otherwise). Some of my favourite films are quite violent but it’s not the violence I enjoy, it’s the story.

I’m still unable to sit through Irreversible.

troubleinharlem's avatar

I dislike violence, actually. I can’t even watch cartoon violence like Happy Tree House Friends. I like plots ad stories, but I could live without the gore.

@nxknxk – nice avatar! ^^

nxknxk's avatar

The kind of violence that occurs in movies and that is filtered through the news/media is entirely different than real violence.

The stuff that’s truly violent – certain images and videos I’ve come across (thanks, Internet) – does not entertain me. It only causes disquiet and it’s not enjoyable. Still, there are lots of ‘gore’ boards that are very active on the Internet, so somebody must like it.

Edit: Thank you for the preemptive avatar compliment haha.

troubleinharlem's avatar

Yeah, I was in the future and didn’t want to wait for you to stop typing.

rangerr's avatar

Uhh. I’ll admit I’m pretty interested in violence.
I don’t necessarily enjoy seeing real-life cases of it.. but most of the serial killers/ notorious murders in history, I know a hell of a lot about.

troubleinharlem's avatar

@rangerr – ooh, me too. I know a lot about serial killers, weirdly. But I think I’m interested in the psychological side of the cases more. I mean, I want to know why they do what they do.

rangerr's avatar

@troubleinharlem I’m more into the grisly details.. Weird? Probably.

troubleinharlem's avatar

@rangerr – nah, it’s not like you’re reenacting them. I hope.

rangerr's avatar

@troubleinharlem I’m not THAT fascinated by them..

Psychedelic_Zebra's avatar

I’m pretty fascinated by the violence I read about in history books. Reading about the Nazis makes me pretty ill though. Those were some nasty bastards.

A WW2 vet told me that one time he was in the Phillipines on patrol with a squad of Phillipinos and they found a Japanese soldier in the brush. The American guy wanted to take him back for questioning, but the Phillipinos instead tied the Japanese soldiers hands, pulled down a palm tree and catapulted the prisoner into shark-infested waters. The American guy was told if he didn’t like it, they would send him out on the next tree.

How’s that for real life violence for you?

Darwin's avatar

I love to see stuff get blown up, whether for real or just pretend in a Hollywood sort of way, I wish I could be one of the Mythbusters! but violence, real or fake, makes me queasy.

However, I find that those who like watching violence are perfectly happy to admit it and cheerfully pay for ring-side seats to UFC and WEC WrekCage and even WWE, even though they “know” it is fake.

Zuma's avatar

It’s not the violence that is entertaining but the morality play that goes along with the violence that makes it seem so satisfying. In your typical violent TV show, the beginning is usually some grisly violation of the peace. This violence ruptures our sense of complacency, and defines the “bad guy” as unambiguously bad. This is often followed by several more instances of gratuitous cruelty, arrogance or brutishness—preferably mindless and inexplicable—calculated to develop the despicable character of the villain and intensify our hatred toward him. Then, the hero “takes him down.” We enjoy the “bad guy’s” humiliation, and whatever tit-for-tat cruelty that makes revenge so satisfying.

At first blush, the satisfaction we take in this retributive violence would seem to be an affirmation of our innate sense of justice. And it is. Only, the way the violence tends to get ratcheted up on television, and packaged so as to deliver one emotionally satisfying wallop one after another, this commercialization of our moral instincts tends to become an insidious form of manipulation. In order to make the bad guys appear bad enough to justify the depiction of evermore extreme forms of violence, there is a strong temptation to pick on groups that are already disadvantaged and demonized in society.

For years, blacks were the villain du jour, contributing enormously to the association of blackness and criminality in white people’s minds. Now, drug dealers and “Muslim terrorists” are the socially acceptable objects of our hatred. However, the portrayal of drug dealers as whacked out, stone-cold killers makes people think that all drug dealers are much more dangerous than they really are and should therefore be “dealt with” by being severely punished. Likewise, the portrayal of Muslims as irrationally fanatical and violent, grossly misrepresents the way Muslims actually are, and greatly impedes their ability to get along in society, just so Hollywood can make a quick buck.

In order to increase the emotionally entertaining “punch” that revenge dramas deliver, any moral complexity surrounding the “criminal” or his victim has to be stripped away. In real life, people seldom commit crimes without some solid motive. Portraying the villain as seeking revenge for his own very real and just grievances undercuts the perception of the villain as pure, hateable evil; and so it has to be stripped away. In real life, villains are often victims of prior injustices—child abuse, humiliation, discrimination, exclusion, or disproportionate punishment for past minor crimes—and they are often seeking revenge for injustices perpetrated against them. Likewise, the victim is not always wholly innocent. Sometimes they trigger violence by acting disrespectfully; other times, they become targets because seem to represent the oppressor class.

Stripping away the moral complexity of people’s actual motives tends to present a view of the world as an inexplicable and dangerous place, and where “good” and “evil” are locked in mortal combat. As such, TV crime dramas legitimate punitive violence by portraying the world as a violent place where violence is appropriately met with violence.

Whether intentional or not, these moral oversimplifications become a kind of propaganda. In the TV series 24, for example torture is represented as justified by continually portraying situations in which there is a ticking time bomb, the terrorist knows where it is, and its whereabouts can quickly and easily be obtained through the use of torture when, in fact, this almost never happens in real life. Nonetheless, the portrayal of these improbable scenarios as typical not only enables us to enjoy the depiction of torture as morally justified, it tends to convince us that torture is justified across the board. Likewise, when violent crime is stripped of its social and moral complexity, and presented as the personal immorality of the perpetrator, it tends to make punishment seem the normal, natural, and inevitable response to every offense.

Nowhere is this clearer than with the crime of murder. If you have grown up on a steady diet of American TV, chances are you have seen portrayals of tens of thousands of killings. Murder, that staple of the crime drama has become emblematic of “crime” in America, actually account for less than one half of one percent of all crime. Indeed, the typical murderers is generally portrayed as a cold and calculating act by a morally reprehensible person driven by profit or revenge.

Generally, “typical murderers” are portrayed as stone cold killers—psychopaths who kill easily, with alacrity, and for little reason—and who, if not stopped, will kill, and kill, and kill again. In real life, multiple murderers account for less than 5% of all murderers; and serial murderers—which are the stock fare of television crime dramas—account for less than 2% of murderers. As a result, we tend to view “murderers” as subhuman monsters who can not be reasoned with or rehabilitated, and who must be locked away forever or exterminated.

In real life, however, the vast majority (about 80%) of murderers are family members—absolutely ordinary people just like you or I—who, in a moment of extreme anger, jealousy, confusion, intoxication, and/or the accumulated stress of a history of abuse, strike out and kill a person close to them. About 15% of murders take place among mutual combatants during the course of turf battles in the criminal underworld, and so are a direct result of our prohibitionist drug policies.

One of the results of this use of violence as entertainment is that it tends to convince people that retribution is the only viable response to transgressions against the moral order. As a result, we have become one of the most punitive societies on earth. We are one of six countries who try children as adults and sentence them to death, and we are the only country in the world who sentences children to life in prison without possibility of parole. (We actually execute more children than all other countries combines.)

We no longer view even minor criminals as human, and so we have abandoned any attempt to rehabilitate them. Indeed, the punishment we now inflict on prisoners is no longer intended to deter or sequester; it is designed to “break” people in ways that keep them permanently trapped in the system. Things like repentance, atonement, mercy and forgiveness—which were once at the forefront of our thinking about justice—are now almost completely absent. We no longer punish to correct; we punish in order to cause suffering; and we do so because we take pleasure in it.

janbb's avatar

I think I missed that gene.

kibaxcheza's avatar

@Zuma Bad news. When your teacher said 5 paragraph essay, she meant it. You fail because you wrote too much. Sorry charlie.

Im very entertained by violence. I love it when people get hit by buses and such

pinkparaluies's avatar

Seriously? I hate it. Not even scary violent movies.

grntwlkr's avatar

@gussnarp It is only begging the question if I try to make a supporting claim that is circular. I have only submitted a premise and no supporting evidence. I am not trying to prove anything, just asking a question.

gailcalled's avatar

I catch insects that make it into the house in a jar or paper cup, cover it with a lid and release them outside.

grntwlkr's avatar

@gailcalled Me too, I hate killing things, But I like watching them die on tv.

Dog's avatar

~@Milo- what is this? You only handle the rodents? Not up to the challenge of a moth?

gailcalled's avatar

@Dog: MIlo here; When Gail’s back is turned, I have been known to nosh on the occasional moth or fly. I find ladybugs and earwigs underseasoned and hornets scary, however.

The_Compassionate_Heretic's avatar

I’ve not seen that people have any problem saying that violence plays a role in entertainment and that we enjoy being entertained. The point is that we can discern between fantasy and reality. When those lines are blurred, real life suffering ensues.

Zuma's avatar

@kibaxcheza Not everyone is a natural sadist like yourself. Your gratuitous dig at me, like your advice to Italian Princess on the occasion of her recent traumatic ordeal (“blah blah blah just go stab him with an ice pick….”), speaks volumes about your malignant and thuggish character. It is, of course, no mystery why any introspective answer would tend to bore you intolerably. You seem positively proud of your lack of empathy.

By the way, simply admitting that you enjoy making other people suffer by no means explains why you do, nor does it even begin to explain why people in general are unable to admit it when they enjoy violence.

wundayatta's avatar

People can’t admit they “naturally” like violence because it isn’t the case. More likely, people don’t like violence—naturally. I believe that a lot of people worry about those who truly enjoy violence even if it is fictional. It might be a sign of a pathology. I don’t know.

But think about it. Why would anyone actually like violence? I suppose it might make sense to have a few such people around to be soldiers or something, but I’m not even sure about that, because violence is such a poor way to solve problems.

One might argue that there is a vicarious thrill from seeing people get blown up or torn apart or hacked with chainsaws, but I’m not at all sure what the thrill is. That kind of stuff does not interest me. I do enjoy cartoonish movies that have violence, but if they took the killing out, I would enjoy it just as much.

kibaxcheza's avatar

@Zuma but if im not one of the people who cant admit it then do i really need to come up with a reason on why i cant admit it? Thats like asking a meat eater why they dont like meat….
and it doesnt bore me, i didnt read it. I was poking fun at you, get used to it. The same was with the answer @italian princess, if you looked more than just to bash me, you would see an answer previous to the one that you mentioned. You would also know that the answer i had provided was a proven psychological method to overcome situations of such magnitude.
So before you go about flaming me for (censored) that you clearly have no handle on, why dont you take the stick out and realize when someone is messing with you.

As for the answer you so nicely expressed i was missing, its because people have made the acceptance of violence into a taboo. Thats right, people (like yourself) have deemed themselves higher than everyone else, and claim that violence it beneath them. They say its animalistic, unnecessary, and that everyone can fight, but only people with a mind can rise above it. But one of these days, youre going to see that violence is in our nature, that we are animals, and that all of youre little Plato Socratic bull(censored), is just that.

Now excuse me, I believe The Ultimate Fighter is about to come on, and I really wanna see if Kimbo’s ground game got any better.

Zuma's avatar

@kibaxcheza Yes, I get that I am being messed with, but what’s fun for you isn’t fun for me, which you would know if you had a gram of decency or grace.

gailcalled's avatar

@kibaxcheza: Creative and original vitriol has its place, but do, please, write better. Edit, punctuate, don’t repeat, eschew run-on-sentences, use proper usage, avoid generalizations, meditate when a cliché appears on the horizon, and so on.

You’re excused, at least by me. I have no idea what The Ultimate Fighter is, thank heavens.

kibaxcheza's avatar

@Zuma Get over it? Life if rough bud. I am, and will always be, an abrasive person. Thats not gonna change.

@gailcalled Noted. I’ll attempt to be more conscience of it in the future.

Zuma's avatar

@kibaxcheza You have no idea. I’ve met hundreds of men like you in paramilitary camps where I’ve trained, and in prison. I know exactly the smug, dismissive, snarky, inconsiderate wretch of a human being I am dealing with. And I know from experience that when nobody says anything, they grow up to be brutish, inconsiderate, fascista.

You are not “abrasive,” you go out of your way to dump on people. You have no decency and, apparently, even less shame.

Trust me. Keep pissing people off because that’s “just who you are” and sooner or later you will find a piece of metal in your neck—sooner, if you get your wish to join Blackwater, and even sooner if you end up in prison, which, given the characteristics you display, is far more likely.

kibaxcheza's avatar

@Zuma says the man who’s been to prison. What happened there? Couldn’t find a cute answer to get what you wanted?

I go out of my way to get a few laughs, and the people who cant take a few jabs arnt worthy of life anyway. Get over yourself buck-o, this “holier than thou” BS is getting old.

The bit about people not liking me is very old news. I’ve had thousands of threats on my life, and even more smug remarks from people like you who think they know the first thing about me. I’ve had “a piece of metal” in my neck, arm, and hands, and even more “pieces” pressed to my temples, between my eyes, and what ever else you can think of. Your little death warnings don’t phase me in the least, and quite frankly, I’m insulted that your little piddly (censored) speech is all you brought to the table.

BTW, your analysis is wrong. This is me.

gailcalled's avatar

@kibaxcheza: Psst. It is “faze.”.

Does this mean we could hang refrigerator magnets on you?

And I hope that no one you love actually gets hit by a bus.

In order to get a few laughs, you have to be amusing. The audience decides that and not the instigator.

Zuma's avatar

@kibaxcheza So, basically, you flat out admit to being a psychopath. A psychopath who goes out of his way to get laughs at other people’s expense (and if they don’t like it, it’s because they are “holier than thou” and “not worthy of life,” as if God died and appointed you his successor). It all fits now. (APD, by the way, was simply giving you the benefit of the doubt.)

Thanks. All anyone ever needs to know about you is now conspicuously on display. You truly are a person without decency, grace, or any constructive impulse whatsoever. And, since psychopathy is congenital, you are irredeemably so. You have no conscience, no empathy, and you cannot change.

Not only do you admit it, you have removed all doubt by the way you have conducted yourself in this exchange. I have encountered this kind of malevolence before on the Internet but was never quite sure what motivated it; now the pathology is crystal clear.

kibaxcheza's avatar

@Zuma yeah no, i am what i am, deal with it.

@gailcalled Normally people find me to be very comical. A select few have come to hate me. To me, it doesnt matter. Love me or hate me, you’re stuck with me.

gailcalled's avatar

Besides love and hate and all the emotions in between, there is also indifference. And I alone choose the people I stick with.

kibaxcheza's avatar

Its a saying hun
crudely defined more as “I’m not changing so deal with me or leave me alone”

just sayin…

rangerr's avatar

@kibaxcheza Did you ever actually answer the question at hand?

gailcalled's avatar

@kibaxcheza: What’s a “saying hun”?

Dog's avatar

@gailcalled It is the vocal expression of a nomadic Hun.

gailcalled's avatar

@Dog : as oppposed to a whisperin’ Hun?

kibaxcheza's avatar

@gailcalled “love me or hate me, youre stuck with me”

and “hun” is just my lingo

rangerr's avatar

I adore sarcasm.

Darwin's avatar

@kibaxcheza – Okay, Sweetcheeks. Whatever you say.

wundayatta's avatar

Hey! @Darwin Watch out who you call “sweet cheeks.”

RareDenver's avatar

@daloon is the title of “sweetcheeks” reserved for you ;-) lol

oratio's avatar

@RareDenver Dude, have you seen his avatar? I think it’s a given. He owns it.

RareDenver's avatar

@oratio do you find it annoying when people think they have to explain your own joke to you?

kibaxcheza's avatar

@Darwin What is the point of what you said in response to my post? Congrats, you just tried to insult me for the way i speak. Youre amazing at this game kiddo.

Darwin's avatar

@kibaxcheza – And you tried to offend me by the way you speak, Hun.

kibaxcheza's avatar

@Darwin that’s the first time in this entire post that I’ve even addressed you. And if you’re talking about something that happened previously. Get the heck over it.

Berserker's avatar

I love fictional violence, I’ve never denied this.
Real violence is horrible, but that’s probably because I haven’t really been conditioned to it, not in this country, or in my life, so far. I’m sure you get used it and eventually draw a sense of satisfaction from dealing it on peeps you think may deserve it.
With hat said morbid curiosity often overwhelms me, but I still get sick as hell watching coloured footage from Japanese experiments in WWII.

meagan's avatar

I’m not sure I’d like to know anyone that finds violence “entertaining”.
This all reminds me too much of “I like power rangers, pew pew.”

josie's avatar

Most folks would give a different answer if they had been unlucky enough to see the real thing. You probably would not like it and the image doesn’t really go away. So I think the question should refer to fake violence.

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