Did Al Gore lie to me?

It’s just some company or organization that bought an ad. Obviously that group doesn’t believe in global warming. Although you should research it yourself so you can make an educated decision on what you believe. I know there is at least one user on Fluther who also doesn’t believe and will post very long messages with “evidence” against it. However there is just as much, or more, evidence for it.

Here is the thing. Even if you don’t believe in global warming the environment is still in a crisis that could be solved by each person and especially each corporation lessening their own individual environmental ‘footprint’ on the world.

This guy makes a great point

@uberbatman Good clip.

Well, you can’t argue that the globe is warming. There are stats that show it.

What they were probably saying is that the the warming isn’t humankind’s fault, or that it isn’t very significant.

@uberbatman
Using that logic we should all believe in God.

@jackm that would be pascals wager.

@uberbatman
Yeah, its the same logic.

@jackm right….. the difference being, if you believe in god just for fear of god and he does exist, your fucked for believing for the wrong reason.This is different, thus not comparable.

@jackm The argument of global warming is not taken from lore, and not believing in God won’t destroy life on earth.

@oratio
@uberbatman

It doesn’t matter where the argument came from. I am not saying global warming isn’t human caused.

All I am saying is that that is a very poor argument. If you want to convince someone of intelligence, don’t use that argument.

@jackm You are right. But I don’t see it trying to convince anyone that it’s true with the chart, but what the consequences of taken-non-taken actions are.

@oratio
He says we might as well believe in it because it would be crazy not true.

@jackm i fail to understand how you believe its a poor argument. I really dont see how it could have been laid out any more simply. Act or dont act. its not about if global warming exists or not, its about which possible fate you want to choose for humanity. And yes, you may as well believe its real, because worse case there you spend money recklessly. Or lets not believe and have world destruction. hmmmmm yea… horrible argument there…..

@uberbatman
Do you believe in God?

Judging by his ties to politics I’m going to default to yes… he did lie to you… as have most politicians.

IMHO, there’s truth and distortion mixed in on both sides of the argument. Naturally, most of us want to protect the environment, myself included, and it’s hard not to argue that climate change is manmade when we so easily see environmental degradation at the hands of industry.

However, I am inclined to disbelieve the “left’s commonsense narrative of manmade global warming” given that the single largest consumer of fossil fuels is the U.S. military and that the U.S. and possibly other nations have or are pursuing weather control technologies—as is mentioned in the Space Preservation Act of 2001 which died in committee but can be viewed here: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R.2977.IH: and in the document “Weather as a Force Multiplier” which can be viewed here: http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf

Add to that the likelihood (again IMHO) that efficiency technologies have been actively suppressed by energy companies and the convenient dawning of a carbon tax structure (groundwork for which was conveniently included in the original $700 billion bailout) just as solar, wind and other energy sources are starting to gain traction, and I am led to believe that something is indeed rotten in the state of Denmark.

Like, personally? I doubt it. :P

@jackm not at all.

@uberbatman
Well you really should because the consequence of not believing in him if he is real is very disastrous. Might as well just believe in him just in case.

This is the same argument you made

My answer would be similar to @RedPowerLady no matter what we can still do things that help the environment.

I really don’t think it matters if the globe is warming or not, it just seems like the right thing to not polute, or rape the land, or have so much plastic floating in the ocean sea life dies, or be dependent on other nations for oil, or heat and air condition space that is unnecessary, and more and more. For me it just seems obvious what is good for mother nature and out amazing planet. I wish I was better at practicing what I preach. I would love to be more green. I do my small part, but wish it was more mainstream and easier to more.

I don’t think Al Gore lied, I think he really believes all of it.

I personally do not know what to believe, but global warming is not new, and actually I think people have started calling it climate change… Anyway, I think the first 50 seconds of the Penn & Teller Bullshit episode on being green (and most of the episode) points out a disturbing trend of driving guilt into the head of all Americans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhnFT_as1eU

Oh and here’s the article Penn is referring to (Time Magazine circa 1974):

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html

Either way, things are changing, and I don’t think there’s anything we can do about it. I hate SUVs, but gas will be high no matter what I think of SUVs. And people will still keep driving them.

As Kurt Vonnegut would say “Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand.”

On that note, some things just aren’t worth arguing about.

Just because there are two different ways to interpret the data does not mean anybody is lying. It simply means they draw different conclusions from the same facts.

@jackm : I get what you’re saying.

My thought is that nobody really knows for sure what the cause is. Furthermore, the cause could be a combination of things. Carbon emissions, natural temperature cycles, etc. all combined to exaggerate the effects. I don’t think Al Gore lied, but I think he’s making a couple of assumptions. The Earth is warming. But the cause and what will happen in the future are mysteries that we have yet to uncover. One thing my gut tells me is that pollution (air, land, sea) cannot be good for the Earth, and therefore is endangering the human race. We need to knock that shit off.

@jackm again, no. Pascals wager. If i believed in god for the sake of just believing just to save my own ass, god would not accept me if he did truly exist. I prefer to follow atheists wager, but that is a whole different argument entirely. Afterlife consequences vs real life consequences are two entirely different things.

Unfortunately, there are too many people declaring war on science and reason. There’s no global warming. Evolution is a hoax. The Earth is 6000 years old. Pluto is a planet, but Eris is not. Aliens abduct people from time to time. Sex with virgins cures AIDS. Saddam Hussein was the mastermind behind 911. The 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami was caused by an Indian nuclear experiment in which Israeli and American nuclear experts participated. The world ended on January 1, 2000 and for good measure will end a second time on December 21, 2012.

The only scientific discussions relate around other factors beside human greenhouse gas emissions which also contribute to global warming.

Here’s an interesting article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_conspiracy_theory

At least a British high court established he lied 9 times in his movie. Then there is the way he’s constantly dodging questions from skeptics and chickening out of challenges by critics like Lord Monkton. And finally, the man’s investment firms are getting hundreds of millions of dollars in US taxpayer money. He stands to accumulating a considerable fortune by pushing his alarmist views. Follow the money.

No, Al Gore didn’t lie. And, the charts were pretty persuasive and told the story as well. There’s all kinds of people out there saying things for all kinds of reasons, so you actually have to rely on your own self, get the best information you can, and make up your own mind. Just like with everything else.

I am not sure Lord Monckton is taken seriously be that many people.

the ad i heard was ‘friendsofscience.org’—just as persuasive as AL.