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How do you feel about the "modern life cycle"?

Asked by J0E (13172points) November 16th, 2009

You’re born. You get 5 years to get ready for school. Now that you’re old enough, you go to school for 13 years. But that’s not enough, so you go to school for 4 more years. Now your about 22 years old and it’s time for probably your 4th or 5th job. Then you work until you die or if you’re lucky you retire. Then you die in Florida.

How did it ever come to this?

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Mamradpivo's avatar

I don’t know, but now I’m depressed from reading your question.

Thanks for that.

J0E's avatar

This is probably the most cynical I will ever get. I’m signing up for classes and realizing I have much more to do.

ccrow's avatar

Not me, I love New England too much to move to Florida!!

nxknxk's avatar

It seems like a bit of an oversimplification (though probably a valid one).
We do these things but we need not let ourselves become mindless automatons in the process.

efritz's avatar

For some people, “work” equals meaningful purpose in life. A few people, anyway.

cookieman's avatar

@ccrow: I’m with you. Florida is a hot, humid, sticky, nasty place. I too shall stay in New England.

Anyway…

I think you’re painting with too broad strokes here. What you describe may be the common frame-work of many (most?) lives, but the devil (as they say) is in the derails.

There are thousands of little moments and opportunities along the way that allow you to create your life your way.

J0E's avatar

@cprevite Right, but boiled down to it’s basic form life is what I described.

cookieman's avatar

@J0E: True, but like everything else, if you boil it down too much, you lose all the flavor.

J0E's avatar

@nxknxk

Is it not?

nxknxk's avatar

@J0E

It is not.

critter1982's avatar

The problem is that this is such an oversimplification to the point you eliminate all those things that truly make us happy. I love to play soccer, but if somebody was to say go on that patch of grass kick a ball around for 90 minutes, do some wind sprints and let me kick you in the shins about 10 times, I wouldn’t ever want to play. Happiness comes from those details like cprevite stated. What about getting married, raising kids, relationships, etc.

J0E's avatar

@nxknxk Elaborate.

cjmegatron81's avatar

The modern life cycle sucks

nxknxk's avatar

@J0E

There are so, so many people who live contrary to what you described and are still ‘modern’ (archaic term, that). The actions or patterns of one’s life rarely match another’s, though we are wont to make generalizations for the sake of convenience.

I would instead argue life’s ‘basic form’, while rather nebulous and/or subjective, is independent altogether of action.

jeanna's avatar

I, personally, am glad you simplified it here. I think some people become too wrapped up in this idealistic viewpoint that they lose all concept of reality. I am a very realistic person with a flare for optimism and pessimism depending on the day. The reality is that the above happens, and sure we have things along the way that just might make it seem less….simple, but who wants to always be complex?

J0E's avatar

@jeanna I bet you didn’t think I could get this serious, did you?

The_Compassionate_Heretic's avatar

There’s a lot more to the average person’s life than what this outline details.
This is but a small fraction of a life.

A lot of people wish for lives like the ones we take for granted in the west.

J0E's avatar

@The_Compassionate_Heretic I would argue that this outlines a vast majority of life. I’m not stupid, of course there is a lot of other stuff that makes life bearable, but if you really think about it those moments are dwarfed by things like going to school and going to work.

The_Compassionate_Heretic's avatar

@J0E If you ask me, going to work and school is dwarfed by the other things life has to offer.

J0E's avatar

How often do you work?

For me example, I probably have about 40 hours a week of work and school. Then a few hours of fun friday night, saturday, and sunday. The weekends make it better but I still think I spend more time on the other things.

The_Compassionate_Heretic's avatar

@J0E I work full time. Sometimes more than 40/week. I’ve gone to school and work at the same time where I had less free time but still found time to do the things that were important to me. I’ve always had free time to pursue my interests.

Maybe a full time job isn’t always amazing, but that’s part of the balance in our lives right now. We need to work to support ourselves. We work so we can afford to do the things we want to do in our off time.

How often do you work? I get the impression you’re just finishing college and that’s kind of a daunting period with the whole job thing but it gets better. You work for the job you want and if you make good decisions then work needn’t be a constant drudgery. Yes it is possible to have a good time at work.

J0E's avatar

check my edit

I’m certainly not saying we don’t do things we enjoy or that are important to us, nor am I saying I never have free time. What I’m saying is that the stuff in my question details outweighs that stuff.

tinyfaery's avatar

”...keep your wick in the air and your feet in the fetters…” The Shins

I hate. And it definitely fuels my depression. I believe it’s a product of a capitalist, consumer based society.

jeanna's avatar

@J0E I knew that even the Joker had a serious side. heh ;)

JLeslie's avatar

It annoys me that in America you can’t take a break without a good explanation. Like if you save well and feel burnt out and decide at the age of 35 to take 2 years off and travel the world, we have to worry about the “missing” years on our resume. Luckily, with lots of lay-offs (not lucky for the people laid off) more and more people have a year or so out of work,so it is more normal now. Feels like we can’t control our own lives because of how others will perceive us when it comes to career.

CMaz's avatar

“Then you work until you die or if you’re lucky you retire. Then you die in Florida.”

Yep pretty sweet…

Tomorrow I think I will get up. Throw on my shorts, a T-shirt and take the dog for a walk along the ocean. Going to be a cold 80 degrees.

cookieman's avatar

@JLeslie: Agreed. This drives me batty. Missing years, career changes, resigning from a higher level position – all of these will get you the “eyebrow” at an interview.

You’re either assumed to be a slacker, unreliable or insane.

YARNLADY's avatar

I bet there are 20,000 people starving to death every single day of the year who would love to have a life like that, would you give one of them yours?

JLeslie's avatar

@cprevite I think it is different in other countries.

@YARNLADY Are you speaking to me?

YARNLADY's avatar

@JLeslie No, I usually @ people when it is a response to a quip. Sorry if there was confusion.

ubersiren's avatar

It bites. For a lesson on how we came to be this way, read My Ishmael. It asks and answers how we came to be this way.

To touch on it a little bit.

It’s not a modern thing so much as a cultural thing.

Part 1

Once upon a time we were hunter-gatherers. We only “worked” a few hours a day to feed our families. The rest of the day was spent with our families. Then, it was discovered that if you liked nothing but corn, that you could plant that corn and have it any time you wanted, rather than relying on that day’s hunt for food. This was the birth of farming. Some peoples remained HGs and some went the farming route.

Part 2.
Now that there was farming, and you could choose what to grow, different farms held different crops and livestock. Town A had chickens, eggs and corn and Town B had cattle, root veggies and dairy. This meant that Town A had its property and Town B had its own, and in order from citizens from Town A to get cheese, they had to give something for it. Hunting lands were replaced with farm lands. Now food was under lock and key by the growers.

Part 3.
Now that food is under lock and key, that means if you want something you have to barter or pay for it. Farmers get up at 5 a.m. and work until supper to maintain their farms. So if you want something they’re making, then you had better pay the price. How do you pay? Acquire a skill with which to barter (and eventually exchange IOUs known as currency). This lead to industrialization. Some people were good at making clothing, some people were good at making weapons, some people knew how to fix sick people, etc.

Part 4.
And now there is industrialization and specialization, and therefore, competition. “I’m better at making shoes than this guy. Give me all your business so I may feed my family.” And how do you learn to be better at something? By being more educated and, therefore, more skilled (not necessarily, but that’s the theory) than the competition. Some people are gifted teachers and can make money that way, so now you have school.

Part 5.
You can’t jump into doctor school. You must first know your 3 R’s and make your way up to level of doctor.

Part 6.
In order to keep everyone participating in this system (K-12, then college/military/work to feed the family) you must make it mandatory that everyone have some education. If it’s not mandatory, then you have a society destroyer- unproductive children, poverty, lack of education. So in exchange, we participate in the system. You cannot opt out of the system because you need a way to pay for things. You will never learn basic life and survival skills because you are spending your first 18 years learning your 3 R’s, then scrambling to make ends meet. Now even if you do happen to know how to sew your own clothes, hunt, gather, cook, and everything else you need to survive, you still have to be in the workforce to pay taxes. If you opted out, where would you live? All land belongs to someone now (if not privately owned then publicly or governmentally owned), and if they caught you, wouldn’t be happy that you’re squatting there without paying something. So we work. A lot.

I’m definitely not saying that one system is better than the other. Like @YARNLADY mentioned just above, there are communities which still participate in the hunter-gatherer lifestyle who are not able feed their children. I would not want to live that way, but that’s because I don’t know any different than school and work to provide. There are places in the world where 12 year olds can kill their own food, keep house, dress wounds and survive. But we are in the part of the world where we don’t learn that. We must participate in the system we are given. We could move to a HG community if we wanted, nothing is stopping us. But I’m willing to bet that by the time we are old enough to know that is an option, we are already 18 years behind everyone else our age. So we stay, too ignorant and intimidated to go anywhere.

LKidKyle1985's avatar

I don’t know but a lifetime of education and comfortable living sounds pretty good to me. Rarely before have so many citizens of a nation been able to live so comfortably and easily. If you want adventure move to Latin America or something. Or don’t be so complacent and run a business or something. In exchange for a comfortable and low risk life you get a boring and drone like life. So maybe consider living outside your comfort zone and you will find life is a little more interesting than as you stated it.

benjaminlevi's avatar

I think its not for me.

aprilsimnel's avatar

You forgot the “squeezing out the pups” bit, @J0E. I mean, I realize not everyone does that, but in essence, we are here because our DNA wants to replicate itself and most of the time, it does.

faye's avatar

@LKidKyle1985 said it. You have water that is clean, probably more food than you need, the very chance to be educated is a gift lots of people can’t even dream of!!! Try Uganda, etc

ubersiren's avatar

There could be other options. Unfortunately we do have to choose between living in the cushiony United States but be “owned” by the man until you die, or living in a destitute African nation. But maybe it doesn’t have to be that way. It’s just that people are either too comfy (US) or too suppressed (destitute nations) to think that there are other possibilities of ways to live.

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