Is there anyway I could sum this up in a mathmatical equation?
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November 21st, 2009
I was going to sum this down but I think it would be best to post the whole thing, sorry for tl;dr
Imagine you have created nanobots, what core functions were to replicate themselves and to collect the data of every subatomic particles position and all other information about them. Becoming omniscient, they have the fundamental knowledge to predicting every single event from that point onward. When and where earthquakes will happen, what random number I choose etc. I meet up with your omniscient nanobots and ask them a simple question, what hand will I put up? The regulations are you have to tell me before I make my decision and whatever you say I will choose the opposite.
Is there any possible way I could sum up the nanobots a subject to be able to know and influence the other subject a man’s decision and his decision would only be decided on two variables his own variables and the nanobots influences?
This question isn’t about is this scenario viable, it’s all purely hypothetical, I want to know could it be summed up in a mathematical equation to know could one subject know how its influences plus other variables would effect another subject to a 100% accuracy all the time.
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There are several reasons why this is impossible.
1. Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle says that the more accurately you measure one aspect of a particle, the less accurately you can measure its other properties. Omniscience cannot exist.
2. To form the equation and process it at a rate faster than real time would require more computing power than it is possible to have, since computing power is limited by the available energy in the universe. We are still yet to successfully apply the quantum equations to simple particles such as water to predict more than minor properties.
3. The nanobots and computer processor themselves are formed from matter and use energy, and it would be difficult to incorporate their processes into the equation. I expect an infinite regress to result.
@FireMadeFlesh
The paradox is based on a hypothetical universe, I do know of Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle and it’s one of the reasons I want to sum up this scenario into an equation. I don’t want a talk on the scenario just could it be put into an equation? this is all purely hypothetical.
how to sum what up?
in a single sentence please
@ninjacolin
Similar to how Kurt Godel summed up “This sentences is true.” in his incompleteness theorems, would it be possible to create an equation with the criteria I’ve mentioned?
Sorry but your criteria isn’t very clear. Can you write it out in simpler terms and in point form?
@ninjacolin
I’ll try.
A subject with two points, (this is the man) One point is what he was going to choose, the second point being the new point after the influence from the second subject. The second subject has to work out the first subject second point using the first point plus his influences.
Unless i’m misunderstanding.. i think there is a mathematical formula for it already. it’s called “infinity.” (also see Perpetual Motion)
I say this because every time the man chooses the OTHER option, the Nano’s will start their program over.. then the man will choose another option.. and so on and so on indefinitely, each action (by the nanos or by the human) causing the next.
oh.. i think i understand.
it’s like chess. a really good chess player can predict the moves of his inexperienced opponent sometimes as much as 6 moves ahead. those moves are based on what the good chess player knows he is going to do to coerce the other’s decisions.
@hghgbvvn Do you mean something like the n body problem, adapted to solve it for the trillions of particles in the human brain? It is probably possible, but unachievable and untestable.
@FireMadeFlesh
Not for all the particles in the brain just.
A subject with two points, (this is the man) One point is what he was going to choose, the second point being the new point after the influence from the second subject. The second subject has to work out the first subject second point using the first point plus his influences.
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