Social Question

wundayatta's avatar

Why do people (mostly men) get so involved in gaming?

Asked by wundayatta (58741points) December 10th, 2009

In a comment today, someone mentioned that she couldn’t tear her significant other away from his den in the garage in order to visit friends. Her SO was unable to leave his computer games. Last night, in my support group, our pet Schizophrenic (the group is for bipolar and depressed people) mentioned that he was vowing to stop spending hours and hours a day playing games and get out to start looking for a job.

It makes me wonder what is going on inside for these guys. I wonder if it’s a kind of pattern recognition thing. Or if it makes them stop thinking about anything else that bothers them. Some people call it an addiction, but that begs the question of what it does for them. What does it do for them? Why is it more important than people?

And this is not just about gaming, but any other activity that gets people to stay for hours and hours a day doing the same thing. Maybe like, oh, I don’t know…. fluthering???

Observing members: 0 Composing members: 0

54 Answers

Ame_Evil's avatar

It is to do with the constant and frequent reward reinforcement you get from these games. So for example in online games you are constantly being reinforced by getting money, new items, getting higher in ranks etc. For other games its perhaps a lesser mixture of this and other factors such as escaping from the real world.

At times this can likened to the effects of a drug addiction in terms of withdrawal effects, constantly thinking about the game, etc etc.

anon's avatar

Escapism I guess. I’ve stopped video gaming almost entirely, with only the occasional busting out of the SNES or Morrowind.

Dr_C's avatar

It’s a deep seeded need to feel in absolute control of something while proving one’s own ability at any given task. It has nothing to do with the relationship you may or may not have with your SO.

I personally haven’t owned a game console since the very early 90’s… but it get the need to be in control of something in your life.

chelseababyy's avatar

First off, I’m a chick.
I’m totally into gaming. Why? Because it’s like a release, I can play and not worry about anything else. With MMORPG’s like WoW and Aion you can get caught up in the storylines and quests. Being able to play, do quests, take part in group activities, and sometimes even roleplaying lets people do things that they may not normally do. They’re able to be someone else for a while.

erichw1504's avatar

Because bitch-slapping prostitutes on the streets of Grand Theft Auto is so much fun.

flameboi's avatar

Hey, Lisa Simpson got involved and she is a lady!!!!

DominicX's avatar

I don’t necessarily think everyone who plays video games frequently has deep psychological issues. (Actually, I don’t at all think that). I think for some, it simply is enjoyable. That’s the reason why we do many things in life: they give us pleasure. Many people derive pleasure from playing video games and accomplishing things in the games and such. Sure, maybe they do it to “escape”, but it isn’t necessarily because their lives are so troubled and chaotic that they need to escape it. I think that’s an unfair judgment of people who play video games. It’s also entirely possible to play them without become addicted to the point where it’s a problem.

I became addicted to a game once. No, it did not ruin my social life. I could easily stop playing if I wanted to and I did many many times; it was just that I found it so enjoyable that I wanted to do it all the time (or as much as was good for me). It was also the kind of game where you could create your own worlds, so a lot of my time was spent creating levels and worlds using the frustratingly-difficult world editor and I even learned some programming through that. I wasn’t doing it to escape my issues or be in control of my out-of-control chaotic life, I just found it fun. And since I haven’t played that game in a long time, it’s clear that my interests change (also, Macs don’t support it). :)

Ame_Evil's avatar

Also I think there is an element of competition involved. Beating other people (online) or just beating a challenging game. Men tend to be more competitive than females which’ll explain that finding.

mowens's avatar

I like to play video games because I enjoy competing against other people on an intellectual basis. I can outsmart someone, or I can be outsmarted by someone in video games.

Unfortunately, now that I have a job…. I never ever get to play. Who has time? Between working 40 hrs a week and having friends?

SeventhSense's avatar

Yes, I can’t imagine something that would encourage people to spend hours and hours following endless diversions. I even heard of a website where people answer questions posed by others and become entrenched in answering questions, many just plain silly…Probably a myth..~

Ame_Evil's avatar

Oh yeah, and finally there is that idea that men are all border-line autistic so you can take the stance that they selectively involve themselves a lot in a few things.

Finally, the brain seeks to do things with the least amount of effort required at the time. So it could be that people find this is the easiest thing to gain entertainment values as all you have to do is switch on a computer and play instantly.

Just a summary of my points, and sorry for the fragmentation. Silly edit kept disappearing. I think there may be any combination of the following which’ll lead to a “gaming addiction”.

- frequent reinforcement (as seen in drug addiction)
– competition (vs others or the game itself)
– borderline autism
– just plain old entertainment like reading a book (but less effort).

Oh and super finally. Thoughts for wisdom: link gaming addiction to “addiction” to other related things such as Facebook or even Fluther.

JONESGH's avatar

It helps me get away from all the stresses and things I need to deal with in the world. I wouldn’t go as far as to call myself an addict, but I can put down a few hours on wow every night, just to relax. The important thing is to remember that it’s not real, it doesn’t matter, and there are things that do.

Xilas's avatar

ok i havent read anything, but im 100% this is pertaining to world of warcraft – which i played.. its addictive i will agree.. i was banned for cheating.

video games are an escape from reality.

but its not just video games.. anything can have this effect on you.

Look up “flow” personality psychology term.

Parrappa's avatar

I hate all the BS people throw out when you ask a question like this. Video games are fun, that is why people play them.

mowens's avatar

”...Americans traditionally love to fight. All real Americans, love the sting of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big league ball players, the toughest boxers… Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time…”

-Patton

Joker94's avatar

Its sort of the same reason why people would read books or watch TV. Sometimes its just for fun, its always interesting being able to do something fantastic that may not be achievable in real life

poisonedantidote's avatar

well, i do love my games. having clocked up months of play time on just one game at times. but i am fine if i have more important things to do, ill just quit and play later. however, in my early teens, i was like that. i would play first and do other things second. i think the cause is the mentality it puts you in, it sucks you in to the game and as long as you are playing it, other things dont seem so important. a little self control should fix it.

there is nothing wrong with spending as long as you like playing games, but you should not let it upset the balance of your real life.

Ame_Evil's avatar

@Parrappa It may be bullshit, but how do YOU explain the question why you enjoy games then? What elements are found in games which make them enjoyable?

Xilas's avatar

@Ame_Evil

”– just plain old entertainment like reading a book (but less effort).”

you obviously haven’t played the games I’ve played – some take much more reasoning and logic/effort than reading a book.

ive played text based MUD’s with more reading than a set Webster’s dictionaries.

Achaea, Dreams of Divine Lands
Discworld
Aardwolf MUD

these are all online “roleplaying” games with a learning curve harder than a college physics book

Parrappa's avatar

@Ame_Evil, simply because I get enjoyment out of them. Just like I do from playing sports, it’s fun to do. I don’t slip into some alternate reality when I’m playing games. If I’m stressed before playing, I either become more stressed while playing or it’s still on my mind. It doesn’t provide any escape for me except for being fun and giving me a good time.

Ame_Evil's avatar

@Parrappa Then obviously escapism doesn’t apply to the games you are playing. This tends to be found more in role playing games where you take the role of something that is alternate to your reality.

@Xilas I am referring to simple games such as online role playing games or shoot em ups. Your games are akin to those such as chess that possibly rely on the reinforcement value and competition.

There is a lot of variability with games, so for each game there’ll be a variability to the reason why people would become addicted to them.

DominicX's avatar

@Parrappa Yes, but for some people, it could provide an escape.

Again, I stand by what I said: I don’t think people who play video games necessarily have issues and problems that are alleviated by playing video games. I find video games enjoyable for several reasons: One, if the game is one I’ve never played before, the sense of “what’s going to happen next?” makes it enjoyable. This applies to TV shows, movies, books, etc. Two, the sense of accomplishment is enjoyable. (This can apply also to the game where I created levels in it).

Interestingly enough, I don’t like playing video games with competition. I play games where you’re only playing against yourself and the gain is only for yourself. That might make me different from other people who play video games.

Disclaimer: I’m not a big gamer. But I do enjoy video games. I’m even counting Guitar Hero and Rockband in this. Though the first time I ever played Guitar Hero, I beat my brother, and he’s an actual guitar player and he had played it many times before! That was the proudest moment of my video gaming life…

anon's avatar

I used to be able to play a single game for three days straight without even realising it.
Like anything that helps shut out reality, gaming can very easily become a serious addiction and we all know addictions can cause problems.

Parrappa's avatar

@Ame_Evil & @DominicX, I think most people don’t play to escape anything. It is true, some do, but I think majority of people just play video games because they enjoy them.

@DominicX, I have to play competitive video games. If it doesn’t have online multiplayer, I don’t buy it, or even think about buying it.

Xilas's avatar

@Parrappa – then I’m sure Ive stomped you in COD:MW 2 :D

Ame_Evil's avatar

@Parrappa If you read one of my posts where I list my views on this, escapism isn’t one of them. I was just defending someone else’s idea.

I do however think that for some people playing video games allows them to escape to a different reality, and some games such as role playing ones allow this effectively as you can pretend to be another identity.

However I think that people who escape would have reasons in their life (e.g. stress) or personality (withdrawn, depressed) for doing so. Also escapism may not always be a conscious thing.

evil2's avatar

i think its mostly cause we are so powerless in our own lives and these games give the individual power and feeling of worth, your special in these worlds and basically because ourlives suck compared to an all powerful mage or valiant knight etc etc…..

Facade's avatar

The escape, the excitement, the sense of accomplishment, the fun. The day I got a Game Boy Color when they first came out, I also got the Mario bros. game. I got home, played it for maybe an hour or two, beat the game. I was disappointed because I expected more lol. Never played with it again. Games are for nerds :P

the100thmonkey's avatar

I think it’s because they’re social activities. Seriously.

I play a lot of BF2 – probably 2 hours a day during the week and more than 3 at weekends. I don’t consider myself addicted to the game, but with the VOIP aspect to it, playing on the same servers regularly is similar in many ways to the way the people used to play games before ‘online’ became a standard – you meet people who like the same things you do, you have a laugh, you kill the same person repeatedly, you teabag them, etc…

While there is always a reinforcing element to solving a problem (if you’ve studied a foreign language and enjoyed it, you’ll understand the analogy), what draws me back to the games I play is not that I’m addicted to the game; it’s that I actually like some of the people I play it with.

In short, I don’t believe that ‘games addiction’ operates in the same way that a physical dependency operates; people like social contact. Online games provide them with it.

The only difference between gaming and “real-life” contact (those are “scare quotes”, btw) is that the nature of the interaction, and the distribution of the social contact, is different – I’ve met people that I would never otherwise have the opportunity to, and, frankly, I would avoid in RL, yet have found that they’re actually people, with foibles, strengths, weaknesses and depth of character that the majority of people I meet in RL just don’t have. The enabling technology for that was VOIP (and powerful 3D graphics rendering hardware).

Because of these differences in interaction, which are outside the “normal” range (because they are new and the internet hasn’t completely changed the way we interact), there is a certain amount of fear grounded in misunderstanding.

The problem I see with “games addiction” is when it interferes with the way that we interact in “Real Life” [RL] (more scare quotes) – the attitude that online interaction is somehow inferior to face to face contact is still very prevalent. It’s not, but people who have what is classically defined as a social phobia may find that online games provide opportunity for interaction that they would otherwise be unable to face without treatment. I don’t consider myself to have a social phobia, but I do feel shy at times, and have found that my reasons for shyness online aren’t significantly different from in RL.

Guys get addicted to gaming because they are social animals. Perhaps it says something about the societies we live in that they get that fix through online gaming.

evil2's avatar

I think addiction isnt’ about the physical all the time but the mental trap, these games are interesting because they stimulate youur mind in some way, you become addictied to the stimulus, as far as a social outing that is bs, how social is a group that focuses on one thing only and you never have true human contact….

tyrantxseries's avatar

I don’t play alot anymore…but I still do once or twice a week
Video games are one of the few things that I can do that TOTALLY 100% blocks the craziness inside,
no, delusions, no voices, no hallucinations, just me and the game..
I only play offline games (no addiction) don’t usually play online games because my competitive addiction comes out then…I’ve had to sell those systems and game before it got out of hand lol
but I am addicted to Resident Evil games but that’s ok
mainly it’s the (long)story that pull me in, then the challenges, graphics, AND KILLING MONSTERS….
I won’t stop playing (every now and then)

the100thmonkey's avatar

@evil2: you don’t play online games then?

You really didn’t understand what I wrote. Get a dictionary and read it again.

chelseababyy's avatar

@the100thmonkey Thanks for that amazing analysis. You’re so spot on.

evil2's avatar

I ‘ve played online games and have been a gamer for most of my life, but i still do not agree that online gaming presents a social stimulae that is equal to human contact, its like replacing regular relationships with only online ones….i dont believe its either healthy or beneficial….

Ame_Evil's avatar

@the100thmonkey Good points, most that I have glossed over mainly because I like to focus on the individual when I look at psychological explanations. But yeah some of what you have said fits into my competition hypothesis and reinforcement hypothesises.

(Sorry for my over generalisation in the next few explanations, but I want to say now that these cannot apply to everyone as always there will be other factors involved. These are just a few explanations to explain some behaviours mentioned and observed in this domain.)

For the competition hypothesis you sometimes need a social element to it (unless you are playing offline in which case you are most likely playing for fun – see reinforcement, or competing against the game). Some people love to compete against their friends/family and do so through gaming, no different to sports in real life. All that has changed is the medium. I hate the fact that this sounds like the catharsis hypothesis, but you also have to factor in personality types into who would prefer to play online games. Seems most likely those that dislike sports and indeed those with social phobia.

Secondly how it fits into the reinforcing hypothesis is just that social interaction is a reinforcement behaviour again. You are more likely to return to online games if people are friendly to you and you enjoy their company.

Again these factors needn’t be in place or be in place at different levels. For example the classic guy who doesn’t play games for friends because he annoys everyone so much but just plays it to be the best and because he probably has a superiority complex :p

master_mind413's avatar

that is untrue they did a study and found out majority of all gamers are now women when i think it was five or ten years ago it was men

let me see if i can find it again

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/story?id=6873270&page=1

http://www.emarketer.com/Article.aspx?R=1007055

wundayatta's avatar

The studies you cited both say that men are the majority of gamers. They say that women are gaming more than previously, but they still aren’t near men.

NaturalMineralWater's avatar

Because it is a departure from reality.. and reality often bites. It has nothing to do with not loving the SO or not caring about them…

hungryhungryhortence's avatar

Man: ask woman to get off the computer to go get coffee, see a movie or go to bed but not sleep and watch how quick she moves.

Woman: ask man to get off the computer to go get coffee, see a movie or go to bed but not sleep and listen to him cite the time, nod but not speak, blink eyes in confusion, give a one arm hug (eyes never leaving the screen) or sideways kiss (again, eyes never leaving the screen).

absalom's avatar

There are many responses so I’m probably repeating someone (sorry).

I was “addicted” to computer games (viz. Halo and Counter-Strike), and I’ve mentioned this here before but I calculated my time spent in front of the computer playing those games and it amounted to almost one full year of my life. Seriously thousands and thousands of hours (usually over four hours everyday, and eight or more each day of weekend). That’s long enough to have invested in the Screen. I would play so much that I would try to think and involuntarily my thoughts would be, like, interrupted by scenes of my playtime reoccurring in my head. I couldn’t even indulge in sexual fantasies without images of the games creeping into (or sometimes dominating) my thoughts.

In my case, and I think for a lot of people like me, it’s the desire to devote ourselves so completely to something as to make it meaningful, or as to force meaning upon the activity and, in turn, “get” meaning out of it (rather cyclical). Outside the games I wondered why I was wasting so many hours, but I would still think about them all the time and while playing was very invested. This phenomenon is common outside gaming, too, though, like pursuing an academic subject or a sport or Fluther (although I can’t say I’d understand the last one).

Tangential to the devotion is a kind of egoism that accompanies a high level of skill or knowledge of a particular game, and some people I knew would use their abilities to feel more important than those with lesser skill. Often it was the only thing they were good at. But in any event if it becomes such a substantial factor in the construction of an ego it can be very difficult to leave that part of yourself. There are times I feel entirely incapable or overwhelmed, and today I still return to a computer game to feel empowered and in control.

That egoism/sense of empowerment comes from the competitive nature that you see especially in the FPS genre. This was not the case with me, but I knew players who were also competitive soccer players or tennis players or golfers or whatever. It may relate to the devotion thing I mentioned earlier, or some people may just need to compete. I don’t know much about that though.

There was the social aspect. I played these games competitively and thus used Ventrilo to communicate with teammates via microphone, and we became good friends. Sometimes I’d get on just to talk to someone with whom I was comfortable. I admit I’m not a socially comfortable person and this acted as a kind of compromise or a halfway point to real human interaction, because we could speak without being face-to-face.

And then the obvious escapism deal, which I’m sure someone has already pointed out. It’s kind of the big, vague umbrella term encompassing a lot of what I just said, since even through a single medium, i.e. video games, escapism takes many forms. However, it’s not always effective as an escape when you’ve played for as long as I (and others) have. There’s a certain point it just stops working, like developing tolerance to a drug, and I could waste a whole day on a computer game knowing all along that I had work to do or that I wasn’t happy for some reason. Then it wasn’t so much an escape as a mechanical response to a negative situation (a declawed cat still tries to scratch, etc.).

Um, those are just some disjointed thoughts on something I know very well personally but have no idea how to articulate.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@mowens “all real americans” ...really, Patton? what does that even mean

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@Parrappa just because something is complex and you don’t understand it or don’t believe in it doesn’t make it BS

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

I’m not into gaming for one simple reason – I just know that it would swallow me whole and that I’d be so into it as to shut the world out

hungryhungryhortence's avatar

I feel as @Simone_De_Beauvoir does in that if I took the time to learn a game and the equipment then I’d likely become obsessed and neglect the things I choose as more important like my responsibilities, my health and my partner. I feel this way about particular drugs: I know how much I like them and how bad they are for me so I just don’t do them and it’s not an issue.

As much as I lurve to fluther with you all, when my phone chirps at me that I might have some awake hours to spend with partner or a friend wants to go out to dinner and a movie, I shut down whatever is on the screen and get out the door!

NaturalMineralWater's avatar

@hungryhungryhortence It’s actually the reverse for me…

jsammons's avatar

When I was younger I was a hardcore gamer. It was all I did 24/7. I grew up playing games and it’s the one thing that I truly excel at better than most other people (including other gamers). I played World of Warcraft for a couple of years and it really is addictive. I would sit at my computer for an entire weekend trying to level up and get new armor and get ready for the next raid with my guild. I would go to the store to buy energy drinks and chips for the raid that night. I would get up at 1 or 2 in the morning and make coffee to keep going.

It got ridiculous so I eventually did what I thought was best to quit, I deleted my characters. I still play games but nowhere near as much as I used to, I have a family to take care of and spend time with now ;) But my recent lack of activity on fluther is due entirely to MW2 :P

hungryhungryhortence's avatar

@jsammons: I’ve got a female friend who kind of dropped out of life for 2yrs in order to live WOW. She was so good, she was selling info’ of some sort, bought herself a house, a couple of horses and vehicles all from gaming. She also gained a lot of weight because she never left the computer. All is well with her now but she said it was a surreal break from reality!

jsammons's avatar

@hungryhungryhortence: When I deleted my WoW characters, my friends asked me why. They said I was crazy for not selling them online because I was the max level and had some pretty good gear. I felt at that time, and still do, that I would rather delete all that hard work rather than sell it to someone who didn’t put forth any of the time that I did in the creation of that character. I know that that will sound crazy to some people but it’s just the way I feel.

mowens's avatar

@Simone_De_Beauvoir I don’t know… the question just made me think of it.

Answer this question

Login

or

Join

to answer.
Your answer will be saved while you login or join.

Have a question? Ask Fluther!

What do you know more about?
or
Knowledge Networking @ Fluther