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Mr. Shinohara will DRASTICALLY reform the prison system. How well would the following plan work? What side effects will there be?

Asked by EgaoNoGenki (1164points) December 20th, 2009

In “Perfecting the Past,” our protagonist will abolish the death penalty 109 years in the past! Moreover, instead of letting prisoners rot in their cells 23 hours a day, they will ALL be put to work (unless physically ill or incapacitated.)

A federal penal colony will open in Liberia; after Mr. Shinohara pays off their National Debt and gives them a generous surplus, the Liberian government will gladly welcome the unwelcome imports. The WORST criminals will be sent here to construct roads, schools, sewers, water mains, and ALL aspects of 1st-world infrastructure in this 3rd-world country.

Once the exported American prison labor “perfects” Liberia with the infrastructure it needs to be a 1st-world country, they’ll work in neighboring countries – Sierra Leone, Guinea, and the Ivory Coast, in mobile prison camps (but kept together with the “chain gang” method).

Back home, he will close down the underperforming excess prisons and set limits to how many prisons and jails there are. (When prisons overcrowd, inmates are sent to the emptiest prisons, no matter how far away they are. Or, depending on the jurisdiction’s decision, the worst inmates get sent to Liberia to ease the overcrowding.)

Some are in Liberia for life, while others will serve time there, and be ordered not to return to America when their sentences are up. (Of course others may be allowed to return to America.) So many former prisoners will settle, and Liberia will become like Australia for America. (Australia was a former penal colony of Britain.)

I was able to find an outline of this prison reform plan in an outline document I made for this novel months ago. Here is the copy/paste:

——- BEGIN OUTLINE——-

6) On Taka’s train trip to Washington, DC, he will write up a proposal for a vast and enormous overhaul to the legal & prison system.
a) Entirely abolish the death penalty; anyone on death row will have their sentences commuted to Life.
i) Time, money, and labor should not be wasted on an execution; put these inmates to work.
b) Strictly reducing the presence of state prisons
i) Only one state prison per 50,000 square miles in any given state
(1) If states are smaller than 50,000 square miles, combine the square-mileage of a neighboring state and repeatedly do so if necessary until the total reaches or exceeds 50,000 square miles. Thereby make that prison a “State-Regional Prison”
(a) A few states in New England are smaller than 50,000 square miles. If four of their states’ square-mileages exceed 50,000 square miles, the prison can be named “New England Quad-State Regional Prison.”
(b) Other situations will cause for aptly applied names. Examples are “Bi-state, Tri-State,” etc.
(2) If there are already more state prisons than the allotted amount in a given state, the number of prisons beyond the allotment must be torn down or sold/repurposed into different institutions and prisoners moved to the remaining prisons.
ii) Existing prisons are allowed to expand their perimeters– build up and/or widen out.
iii) If a new prison shall be built elsewhere in the state and the maximum allotment has already been reached, tear down or sell/repurpose an older prison first.
iv) If separate prisons are needed for separate demographic groups (e.g. women and juveniles), then place them in a separate section of the entire prison compound; fenced/walled off from the other parts of the prison.
(1) If maximum allotment has not been reached, the state is free to construct prisons for different demographic groups as necessary.
c) Addressing Overcrowding
i) If state prisons start to overcrowd, transfer prisoners that you see most fit for transfer, to another state prison that does not currently suffer an overcrowding problem, as long as it is of the appropriate demographics.
ii) If a transfer is not possible, release only the criminals who committed the least serious non-violent crimes and/or have the lightest sentences.
(1) Examples are overdrawn check convictions, fraud convictions, and any other conviction that did not involve physical or threats of physical harm to another human being.
(a) I will soon institute mandatory financial rehabilitation camps for anyone who committed financial crimes
(i) So that financial criminals can avoid prison in the first place.
(ii) Also learn how to better manage and conduct their finances.
(iii) And most of all, prevent prison overcrowding.
(iv) Other, similar camps will be initiated for other non-violent criminals whose crimes match the camps’ purpose and operations.
(If their crime was still serious enough, it may merit regular prison time, even if it does not involve violence.)
iii) If neither is possible, and/or the overcrowding still persists despite these measures, transfer the worst criminals and/or those with the longest sentences to either the nearest federal prison, or one of the two federal penal colonies – in Alaska or Liberia.
(1) (I will later negotiate with and offer an economic boost for Liberia in exchange for their acceptance.)
(2) Transfer them to where their labor is needed the most.
d) Reducing federal prisons
i) Only one federal prison for every five states
(1) Territories are included in the count.
ii) Just like state prisons, federal prisons may expand upward and outward, but no new prisons may be built beyond the current allotment.
e) Reducing military prisons
i) Only one military prison can be built for every 250,000 servicemen in each branch of the military.
ii) POW prisons are to be annexed to an existing military prison if the allotment has been reached. If not, they can be built separately.
f) Reducing county jails
i) Any county with 2,500 square miles or more can have a county jail.
(1) Counties with less than 2,500 square miles can combine with neighboring counties to make county-regional jails.
(a) Cimarron and Texas County, on the panhandle of Oklahoma, which both have less than 2,500 square miles each, can jointly construct an “Outer Panhandle County-Regional Jail” (or “Outer Panhandle Regional Jail” if they prefer. Note that jails and prisons are on different levels.)
g) Reducing city jails
i) Any city with a population of 50,000 or more may have city jails.
ii) Any settlements under 50,000 people are limited to jail cells in the police stations.
iii) In either case, only one jail cell for every 1,000 people before a tax penalty.
(1) For every jail cell over the allotment, an additional 5% tax will be surcharged over the cost of the additional cell, and cumulates thereafter.
(a) Therefore, building two jail cells over the allotment will incur an extra 10% tax for each, three cells will incur 15% for each, four will add 20%, 5 = 25%, and so on.
iv) If the jails come close to overcrowding, like all the other categories of jails and prisons, either release the pettiest offenders, or transfer the worst offenders to a higher level of incarceration.

——- END OUTLINE——-

Sorry, copy/pastes of outlines don’t transfer too well to Fluther’s Question Details.

1. What is your opinion on the plan to ship off the worst criminals to Liberia? (and Alaska, I guess…)

2. Anyway, Shinohara’s philosophy here is that all the inmates are potential useful labor, so none should ever be wasted with executions.

3. His closing down and limiting the # of prisons in America is part of an elaborate plan to use free (well, low- or no-cost) labor to turn the 3rd world into the 1st world.

4. How does Shinohara’s reform of the prison system compare to the prison system of today?

5. How do you like the shipping away of the worst of the overcrowd, to other countries?

6. What unforeseen “side effects” might Liberia get for receiving American prison labor to build the country’s infrastructure?

7. Is this excess prison labor best spent in Liberia, or Alaska? Why? (Remember, only the worst of the worst inmates are to get shipped to remote penal colonies like these.)

8. Is there any potential for this prison reform to backfire, as is? If so, how?

9. What revisions do you suggest for this prison reform?

10. Do you agree that shipping off the worst criminals to these remote prison colonies will make America a safer nation?

11. What do you suppose Liberia will be like 50 years after it receives the first American prisoners? (It’ll become the “Australia of Africa,” won’t it?)

12. In our reality, prisons are plagued with cost overruns and budget deficits. Do you believe this reform will save considerably on the budget, and may even help it?

13. What problems do you find with the concept of “mobile prison camps” from 1900 on? (After all, they need to build lengths of roads, pipes, and power/phone lines.)

14. Should the imported prisoners work alongside the native Liberian prison population?

Well, I just hope that this Shinoharan prison reform will truly make America a better country than it is now!

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Darwin's avatar

So, is this a book that you are writing?

Why would Liberia want our rapists and murderers? Don’t they already have plenty of their own? After all, they are working to get rid of that current national debt by other means.

With the financial support of the Worldbank and bilateral donors, Liberia has bought back the commercial debt that it owed to private creditors. It has dropped the debt from $4.9 billion down to $1.8 billion. Then, most of this remainder will be cancelled when Liberia reaches its Completion Point under the Heavily Indebted Poor Country (HIPC) Initiative.

In addition, the way things are and have been since the 1880’s, I suspect that third world former colonies have absolutely no interest in taking in any sorts of immigrants from the “Europeans” as all Americans and Europeans were considered.

EgaoNoGenki's avatar

@Darwin >Why would Liberia want our rapists and murderers?

First off, this story starts in 1900.

It’s a fair trade-off in exchange for paying off the national debt they had at the time, and giving them a generous national surplus.

And in exchange for being delivered on of the promise to improve its infrastructure to 1st-world standards:

- Electricity, running water and sewer in every hut
– Huts being upgraded to 1st-world-style houses with actual doors and windows
– Schools within 30 minutes of any Liberian child
—School bus routes for every Liberian child
– Hospitals and clinics within 15 minutes of anybody
—Ambulance service within a generous radius of hospitals and clinics
– Every last mile of road, paved
– High-speed expressways
– Enough water treatment plants to serve 100% of the nation, and filter 100% of the running water
– Desalination plants
– Oil rigs off the coast
– Oil fields (if finds are made)
– Libraries in each city, town, and village
– Police & Fire stations (with vehicles) in each city, town, and village
– Paved airfields in every town of 100 or more inhabitants
– Mechanized farm machinery
– And so much more that I can’t think of

The prisoners will build all of the above. This deal would be far too good for Liberia to pass up!

(To fuel their thrust into the 20th Century, Mr. Shinohara will bankroll free fuel for Liberia for the next 25 years. Also to bolster its economy, he will set up a bartering program to sell his cars to the locals – for example:

* 1,000 necklaces or 75 clay pots or 100 articles of locally-made clothing for a sedan

* 50 goats, or 100 sheep for a 3-row station wagon

* 350 locally made cabinets, chairs, or other forms of furniture for an SUV

* And etc.)

Truly, a deal that would be far too good for Liberia to pass up. The fruits of this imported penal labor will get them the first-world nirvana they’ve dreamed for.

Darwin's avatar

Liberia didn’t really have a national debt in 1900. It really didn’t arise until the 1980’s. Besides at that time Liberia insisted upon being a Closed Door society, refusing to allow “Europeans” to settle in their land in any way. And already at that time the “Europeans” were buying and building all sorts of useful things, such as schools and hospitals.

And in 1900, why would they have cared about airfields or high-speed expressways? Nobody cared about those things yet.

stranger_in_a_strange_land's avatar

Your scheme sounds very much like the basis on which Australia was founded and before that American colonies such as Georgia. It requires a colony that does not have internal self-goverance. That was not the case in Liberia in 1900; it was already a republic ruled by the descendants of the freedmen “Americos”. They had built up their own plantation society (at the expense of the tribal peoples) and had no wish to be interfered with by outsiders.

We’ve run out of habitable places on earth to dump our “dregs”. If space travel gets cheap enough, we might dump them on the moon, as in R.A. Heinlein’s “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress”. Or simply use the serious offenders as “organ banks” such as Larry Niven described in several books such as “The Patchwork Girl”.

EgaoNoGenki's avatar

@stranger_in_a_strange_land What other sub-tropical West African countries wouldn’t have minded interference by outsiders as much as Liberia did that year?

stranger_in_a_strange_land's avatar

@EgaoNoGenki Mayebe Ethiopia/Abyssinia as they wew under pressure from the Itakians at that tine and may have wekconed outsude assistabce from what ever source.

Darwin's avatar

Why does it have to be West Africa? What if he offered assurances to the Tsar of Russia that he would not be overthrown and murdered if the Tsar allowed American criminals to join the Russian ones in Siberia?

EgaoNoGenki's avatar

@stranger_in_a_strange_land That’s in East Africa, so that’s a longer trip. From Norfolk, VA, to Asmara, Abyssinia, do you realize how many days that would take in a steamship? Mr. Shinohara wants things to happen fast.

So instead of navigating the Atlantic, Mediterranean, Suez Canal, and the Red Sea, he’ll try just the Atlantic.

So since Liberia is apparently not an option anymore, would Guinea or Senegal be more open countries in 1900? Also, how about the Ivory Coast?

(I suppose though, Mr. Shinohara will export the prisoners to as far as Nigeria or Cameroon, if necessary.)

However, he’ll be less inclined to send them to Morocco and other desert countries because there’s something he just doesn’t like about deserts. I believe it’s the logistics of getting the prisoners watered and cooled. If they don’t get enough of that, they won’t work at peak productivity levels.

@Darwin As I’ve posted on another question, Lenin, Stalin, and Trotsky will be immigrated to America so Communism will never rise. The Tsar will be safe and his regime will survive, so there’ll be no need to send our prisoners to Siberia.

stranger_in_a_strange_land's avatar

@EgaoNoGenki With the Suez Canal in place since 1867, the trip to Abysinnia is only a few more days. Maybe Namibia (Then German SW Africa). The British were trying to do with Sierra Leone what the US accomplished with Liberia. Angola might be a good destination since by that time the Portugese were barely holding onto it.

EgaoNoGenki's avatar

@stranger_in_a_strange_land Angola & Namibia are quite a bit farther down the coast than Nigeria and Cameroon is. How about the other countries I’ve mentioned that you haven’t addressed yet? He’ll try the closer countries first.

(Speaking of Nigeria though, I think Mr. Shinohara will start a sports franchise there and name a major team in Lagos “The 419ers.”)

stranger_in_a_strange_land's avatar

Some of the ones yoy previously mentioned, Nigeria, Cote d’Ivoire, Cameroon were held by strong European colonial powers at that time (UK, France, Germany) who would have strongly objected to another nation dumping its criminals there.. Even by 1900, there was very little of the globe not claimed by some colonial power.Might be better building large prison/work facilities right in the less inhabited regions of the US.

EgaoNoGenki's avatar

@stranger_in_a_strange_land > Might be better building large prison/work facilities right in the less inhabited regions of the US.

Yeah, like Alaska. However, Taka Shinohara is a humanitarian by nature. He doesn’t wish to see anyone suffer frostbite in its Siberian temperatures, criminal or otherwise.

I suppose that since it is one of his plans to make Cuba a US State, he should get it infrastructurally ready for statehood. Therefore, I guess he’ll send some criminals there to do so.

However, Mr. Shinohara still insists that some should get sent to Africa to turn the 3rd world 1st. In that era, weren’t there any countries on the West African coast between 20ºN and the Equator that would not mind importing prisoners as much as the countries that you mention, would? (I guess he could take them to Angola IF ALL the coastal countries between those latitude lines will loathe them too much in that time-period.)

stranger_in_a_strange_land's avatar

@EgaoNoGenki Another part of the problem in Africa is that when the European colonial powers moved in they divided up the land nass without regard to traditional ethnic or tribal boundaries. When decolonization began in the 1950s, none of the new nations were willing to adjust their boundaries to rectify the problem. Many African wars have their root cause in this issue.
It will be interesting to see how Shinohara-san deals with this issue as late as 1900, when almost all of the colonial boundaries had already been drawn up.

EgaoNoGenki's avatar

@stranger_in_a_strange_land Okay, I’ve made an updated decision. Mr. Shinohara will put off penally colonizing Africa for now, because he needs to utilize all the prison labor he can get in order to gear Cuba up for statehood.

stranger_in_a_strange_land's avatar

@EgaoNoGenki The Australian model is worth considering. A certain number of years of government labor, the number of years determined by behavior (a “points system”) leading to a form of supervised parole followed by eventual freedom with some job skill and the basic tools of a trade. The hardened “bad actors” would never get their freedom, those who can reform will have every incentive to.
As chauvinistic as it may seem, Mexico might be ripe for Shinohara-san’s system. They have been plagued by horrible governance ever since the time of the conquistadores. From a standpoint of governance and standard of living, conquest by and incorporatation into the US may have been their best option. The US conquered Mexico several times and gave all or most of the land back, not considering it worth the trouble.
A great many Filipinos today greatly regret that their grandparents opted for independence in the 1930s. They see the difference in standards of living vs Hawaii. Philippines has far greater natural resources than Hawaii also. Now they are in the same misgovernance cycle as Mexico.

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