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How much of your life do you feel is driven by unconscious motivations?

Asked by Polly_Math (1738points) January 3rd, 2010

How well do you really know yourself?
Do you feel that you’re a well-grounded person?
How far on the path to self-development do you think you are, or do these things even matter to you?

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dpworkin's avatar

90% of yours, mine, and everyone else’s.

Spinel's avatar

Self development for me comes on “as I think about it” basis. It’s not something I pursue actively. I am pretty comfortable with who I am. and I have a steady grip on who I am.

I rarely dream. I have never drifted off into a strange, sub-conscience world. Truth be told, it sometimes seems my sub-conscience is either dead or in overdrive hibernation. Its the one part of me I think is shrouded by mystery, since subconsciousness is not something to be grasped on demand (at least not easily). I don’t have a burning desire to investigate it either. What little I know of it seems twisted and a bit horrific.

nisse's avatar

These things matter alot to me, and I think it’s a very interesting philosophical question. I’m in agreement with Aristotle on moral philosophy: The point is to train yourself deliberatly, so when something occurs you will do the right thing instinctively.

So I am a strong believer that under normal circumstances most behaviour (90%) is driven by unconscious forces, and under pressure all of your behaviour (100%). To counteract this you need to use the 10% to consciously train your unconscious to have the right reactions.

Measuring “how far i have come” I think is pointless, as improving yourself is probably a quest without an end. If I am better than yesterday, I am happy.

Polly_Math's avatar

@pdworkin I agree with you, but what does it take to be in that 10%?

dpworkin's avatar

We all have about 10% conscious control of our behavior. You’re already in!

Polly_Math's avatar

@pdworkin I misinterpreted your answer, but don’t you think this percentage varies from person to person and that there could be great extremes?

wundayatta's avatar

I’ve tried to understand myself for years. Many years. Thing is, I feel like the older I get, the less I understand my motives. Sometimes my behavior makes absolutely no sense to me—it goes against my most cherished beliefs—but I still do it. It seems crazy.

dpworkin's avatar

@Polly_Math I’m sure that as a phenomenon it is distributed on a normal curve, so there must be outliers in both tails, but 95% of us must fall within two standard deviations of the mean.

Dr_Lawrence's avatar

@pdworkin What a revealing and insightful piece of information!

By my age where (50 < age < 60), I am pretty sure I am driven by intrinsic rather than extrinsic motivators. Being retired influences that a great deal.

faye's avatar

@pdworkin are you saying that we don’t even think about 90% of our behavior? That seems high for those of us who are concerned about it. How does someone measure unconscious motivation? I’m not being bitchy, I want to learn.

phillis's avatar

I am conscious that the overwhelming majority of motivation is self-centered because we are human, perhaps as high as 90%. It doesn’t have to be consciously striven for; it exists naturally. To me, consciously striving for selfish reasons, especially at the expense of others, either indirectly, or by manipulating others, staunches the flow of good will and give and take within a given community, and should be thoroughly discouraged.

Unfortunately, American society rewards these motivations, rather than discourages them. The more sociopathic the tendencies, the higher one tends to rise in political, social and corporate ladders. This sends the wrong messages that ripple out into communites in concentric circles. The best illustrations of this can be seen in stereotypical inner cities that have suffered decay in the moral stances of parents to thier children, to those children becoming gang members, with the overall mesage being to “Look out for number one”. In other words, it’s all about the self. There is little difference in attitude between a gang member and a corporate executive or political pundit.

How well do you really know yourself?
Very well. There is perhaps 10% left that mystifies me.

Do you feel that you’re a well-grounded person?
Yes. My personal values tend to set me apart from the majority. In that way, certain aspects leftover from my past, and the drive to become more internally, have created somewhat of a separation between myself and other people, but the ego remains in check. I allow myself to feel humility, which creates an acceptable balance for the purposes of socialization. A self-made adaptation that, while not perfect, works well enough for myself and others to mutually benefit.

How far on the path to self-development do you think you are, or do these things even matter to you?
These things matter to me enormously. I am not close to what I envision the the ideal person to be. I am perhaps more than half way to that vision, but I am aware that I am only one major disaster away from turning into the very person I never wanted to be. One of my children being brutally murdered would do the trick. I am under no illusions of my current standing. It’s a matter of beating the clock; I do the work I need to do so that, if that disaster does come, it will be worth it to me to fight the natural desire to hunt the person down.

If I paid attention ONLY to what needs improving within myself, and not everybody else’s problems, I would still have plenty of work to keep me busy for the rest of my life. The irony is that, until you learn self love, the views of yourself are set so askew that the reality of where you really are, compared to where you THINK you are, have little in common. The landscapes are completely different. The further you go down the path of self love, the more you discover that you were never broken in the first place.

Polly_Math's avatar

@faye I think that a person making a genuine effort to pursue a path to self-knowledge and explore the workings of the psyche, if successful to whatever degree, is less controlled by unconscious motivations. Analysis (especially Jungian) may be one path, asceticism, meditation, therapy, etc. When you discover your path and continue to follow it with some success, you will become increasingly self-aware. But remember the oft-repeated: “The path is the goal.”

dpworkin's avatar

About 100,000 years ago we became heavily encepahalized because it was adaptive for us to be able to solve novel problems (the speculation is that the savannah was subject to huge swings of climate change, from floods to drought, forcing us to adapt to many differing scenarios)

Now the fundamental problems are no longer novel. We more or less know how to procreate, eat, make shelter, adapt the land and its denizens to our purposes, and we have the luxury of philosophical ratiocination. So we are losing our cranial capacity (we are down 10% since Neanderthalensis.)

However most of the prime decisions we make (whom to take as a mate, whether to have children and how many, whether or not to remain monogamous) only seem to us to be choices. They are all decided by hardwired mechanisms that we have evolved with. Insofar as we are propelled by our drives, it is to that extent that we are not fully conscious.

So: subtract eating, sleeping, mating, provisioning, child-rearing, social interaction (e.g. cooperate or become a predator, make altruistic or nominally selfish decisions, etc.) and what’s left is conscious and rational.

Soubresaut's avatar

@pdworkin—I think we can still have conscious thought about eating, sleeping, etc etc though.
What about things like dieting? Forcing yourself to get through late nights to get work done?
And I’ve consciously well, I guess I’m assuming it’s conscious ; ) decided to not marry because of things I’ve seen…

@mosteveryone, I guess I just kinda disagree, if that’s alright, haha : ) I think the subconscious takes over what you don’t consciously think about. I think it’s there to keep everything else going while you focus on one or a few things. The closest example I can think of is how you can consciously inhale and exhale, or your body can take care of it for you. I also think it’s there to nudge you—your ‘conscience’—when you’re leaning towards something that goes against what you believe. And I think it takes the front seat in dreams… when your concsious mind takes a break, your unconscious comes out to work out problems you’re having. The whole “sleep on it” expression… it’s worked for me and people I know!

And I was also interested in knowing where you guys got your %s… a lot of you agreed with 10% consciousness… did you all reach that conclusion independently? Or agree with the first to mention it? Or is it a common theory I haven’t heard of…

dpworkin's avatar

How many days out of all the days you have eaten did you carefully consider each piece of behavior relating to the act of eating? I would guess zero of those days. Thinking on Jan 1, well I should go on a diet is not the same thing as moving the behavior of eating from the limbic system to the frontal lobes.

Soubresaut's avatar

@pdworkin
haha, no, I’m no good at dieting, I think my subconscious is too strong there when I smell chocolate, all is lost : )
Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying… did you mean the act of choosing what you eat when, or the digestive system process? I do think once it’s swallowed, you lose conscious control, but up until that point, you have some hope!

dpworkin's avatar

I’m just talking in a very general way about how much of this type of thing we place under our conscious control on a routine basis. I know you can think about each and every behavior connected with the act of eating, but I suggest that generally most of us don’t.

mattbrowne's avatar

More and more task-oriented jobs disappear and more and more new knowledge-oriented jobs are being created. A commitment to lifelong learning and lifelong conscious self-development is the key to sustained professional success. The approach also works in general not only at work.

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