Where to find cheap, quality dogs?

Oh hell no!

I have no clue.

I’m also not a big fan of buying dogs/cats at a pet store. Sorry. There are a bunch at the Humane Society that need loving homes.

was going to say the pound but….but not to get them and then sell them. I agree with Tink, but i’ll say it two different ways. Hell to the freaking no! and Does hell go with no?

If you change your mind and decide not to breed animals for profit, I’ll send you a monthly donation in the same amount I send the SPCA so they can prolong the life of an unwanted dog. The last thing this world needs is another puppy mill.

Cheap quality dogs?

Don’t breed. There are so many out there as it is. The SPCA, other shelters, and rescues are overwhelmed as it is.

Not a fan of mixing pets with profit.

Also not a fan of characterizing dogs with the terms cheap or quality.

”and I donate to shelters all the time so no negative comments please!”

How can you not expect negative comments on a question like this?

family’s’ do want to have pets, its not for profit I just dont want to lose money, but most families do not want to get a shelter dog, and dogs make people happy and are expensive to care for as a puppy (which is the duty of the breeder to deal with) and usually do not make a profit often having other jobs to sustain themselves enough for food and rent, especially in todays economy.

@jeffgoldblumsprivatefacilities
quality means healthy, not dieing, not going to pass on diseases to puppys that could have been healthy. cheap means not over priced like puppy mills sell.

@wee1020 I don’t mean to sound harsh, but, a capital here and a period there would make your posts a hell of a lot easier to read. Oy vey, my head.

@wee1020 for the families that don’t want to get their pets at a shelter I say, pets are not status symbols and paying for pedigree is petty.

No offense….but I find your question a bit unnerving.

First of all, putting dogs in a store to sell like canned food is what brings people who usually are not responsible owners. These are people who go by in a mall, look in the window and decide on a whim to get a “cute dog” like they would a pair of shoes on sale.

I am wondering if you know what a “puppy mill” is? Your question sounds like someone who wants to set one of these up….and that does upset me. Dogs can be bred, but they should not be treated like unsentient beings who do not feel and are left in pens and then just put in other cages when in heat and never see the light of day. It’s absolutely abominable…..! And that’s what I feel you are driving at….just to make money breeding dogs for sale in a store! No, No, NO.

I have rescued dogs that were rescued from “puppy mill” breeders who kept them in pens simply to breed. That is the cruellest fate a little dog can have.

If you want to make money….by getting “cheap dogs” to sell at a profit, you are in the wrong business. Why? Because dogs aren’t cattle…to be fatted and then sold. I’m vegetarian, so I even have issues with cattle (who know what their fate is.)

I would never, ever, ever, ever buy a dog in a shop…..sorry. Too many dogs are homeless and will be euthanized because of irresponsible owners who bought dogs in pet stores.

I really object to what you want to do. I am sure your intentions are good ones…but I hope you do not go through with this. It’s just _wrong.

Sorry….but I’ve worked in rescue situations….and it is amazingly heartless what is done to dogs…to breed them simply for big money.

It’s a crime. Find something else to do for money.
Reading your answers…....you really, really…..don’t get it. And I don’t buy your arguments….

You are in it for money, profit and the dog will come last.

Puppy mill. Puppy mill mentality.

It is wrong.

You really need to educate yourself better about all of this.

If you did, you would be thinking in an entirely different direction.

@wee1020 I know what the words mean in this context, I just don’t like the way you make them sound like a product. They are living beings.

If there’s one thing the world does not need, it’s dog breeders. Just ask the 6–8 million animals euthanized in shelters each year.

Are you trolling, or are you serious? I’m actually hoping for trolling. The alternative is just too sad.

@jeffgoldblumsprivatefacilities Thank you for that….that’s how I feel, too.

families don’t want a shelter dog? I want a shelter dog. Oh wait I have one….well then I want ANOTHER one. not store bought…saved!

Yeah, it really does sound like you want to set up a puppy mill. Has it never occurred to you that one reason breeders charge what they do is so people wanting “cheap” dogs will look elsewhere?? Besides which, if you “just dont want to lose money” then this is really, really, really not the way to accomplish that.

Off topic, but in another question this user asked, she states that she is 13 years old!

This feels icky to me.

@Tink1113 Ahhh, that explains a lot.

Yeah, I just checked on that myself.

Hopefully she’s just brain(?)storming ideas off the top of the head and thinking out loud.

I think the responses here may be sufficient to convince her and anybody else reading that this is definitely NOT a great idea so I’m willing to cut her a little slack :)

Ah, yes, I see now. Thanks, @Tink1113 !

Woah, they’re 13 and want to start up a therapeutic mental business. Uh, good luck with that.

ok, for anybody out there who thinks I am just a 13 year old, thanks but stop commenting. I’m raising any dogs that I breed in my house, regularly exercised, and loved to death. this is NOT a puppy mill idea, this is a “I want other families to enjoy dogs too.” also, if you think I have to do more research do some yourself. 19% of the over 78.3 million dogs in america are from shelters, other precent want store and reputable breeder dogs. also I am not just a 13 year old @jmah, I am in senior year in highschool so I have done my research @jeffgoldblumsprivatefacilities and I DO know what a puppy mill is and this definitely is not one. they are not like “products” if you think i am going to sell them in this way look at livestock. livestock are sold completely and totally like products. you are not helpful and should yell at those guys. why dont you people take action with them? chicken is cut up and sold, as is cow meat, how are dogs and cats different? you are being biased and should take all life into account instead of just dogs and cats because the news channel told you to.

What happened to this business that interested you? And make sure you don’t graduate without learning how to start and end a sentence, please.

I want to start a small business for mental therapy i.e. relationship problems, domesti…

lol

please no more unhelpful or hateful comments! I came here looking for answers and you guys are not helping. Learning about things is better to do now then when you are say 28–48 answer 13 year old comments with “your starting a puppy mill!! oh my! you are in it for profit! damn you!” for gods sakes.

Again, you say that you’re a senior in high school? Please, a period, comma and a capital here and there would be loverly.

@jmah this is the internet, a website, a place for quick questions and answers, I dont want to waste my time on punctuation and grammer. look at other senior “omg like btw idk wht u r doin but wanna meet at the mall?”

seniors*

You said you aren’t doing this for profit, so I’m guessing you want to get into this business because you like dogs, but breeding dogs for money is pretty misguided as everyone above me pointed out. It seems like you’re trying to go for a middle ground- people who don’t adopt dogs from shelters but can’t afford to spend $1000 on a dog from a breeder. It would make more sense if you would get involved with dogs in some way other than breeding them, like training and rehabilitating rescued animals so that they can find adoptive homes more easily. I had a chow-chow when I was a kid who was rescued after Hurricane Andrew hit Florida. One of my mother’s co-workers worked as a volunteer (maybe it was for ASPCA? I was a kid back then so it’s fuzzy.) But anyway she took care of him temporarily until she found out we wanted to adopt a dog, then made sure we had a suitable home and we adopted him. It made me feel a lot better than buying a dog from a breeder would have. He died of old age a few years ago, I miss him. :(

I don’t even know where to begin. First of all, my compassion for animals does not come from what “the news channel” told me to believe.

Secondly the fact that “19% of the over 78.3 million dogs in America are from shelters”, means that we need less puppy mills or other breeding operations, so people will adopt more good dogs and other animals that need a good home, and therefore don’t need to be euthanized.

I suppose I am being unhelpful to you, @wee1020, (though I don’t think I could live with myself if I was being helpful to this question), so I’ll stop commenting. All I can say is that I truly hope you abandon the desire to do this.

@wee1020: Read the Fluther guidelines, please, and I am not talking about puppy mills. (That is a sentence, btw.)

In this corner of the internet we like to “waste time” with grammar and punctuation. So that other people don’t have to “waste time” figuring out what we said.

@wee1020 Whatever floats your boat. Have a little pride, is all I say.

@jmah if you dont like it stop looking. @jeffgoldblumsprivatefacilities if you get me to think about something else, you should start worrying about those MILLIONS of puppy mills who are ready to run at the first signs of police and start anew and become parts of dog auctions, selling blind diseased animals that usually die after a few days. go email petsmart or go to this great place called youtube and see the difference of what I am saying from what is actuality. enjoy.

Are there any Korean restaurants in your area?

@Blondesjon OOO, VELY FUNNY, WHITE MAN

I RAUGH SO HALD I FORGET TO BLEAVE

I meant that with nothing but lespect . . .

@Blondesjon, maybe “plump, tender” dogs—tastes like opossum.

My suggestion is to first work for a few years for a reputable breeder, and then split off a business of your own if you have discovered a need for it. The one and only reason puppy mills exist is because it is extremely difficult for a reputable breeder to make a descent living by using responsible methods.

@wee1020 Rather than railing against all of the “meanies” here, perhaps you should take note that the overwhelming majority (if not all) of the members have advised you against this action. Someone truly looking for advice might reassess or at least consider critically their business plan.

@wee1020 If you want to stop people mentioning your age then maybe you should act a little less stubborn and “I know what I am talking about” and a little more mature about this. You keep spouting “facts” and yet you are making no sense. I am not against breeding (my Aunt breeds Flatcoated Retrievers) but if people are not happy about rescuing then they should expect to pay slightly higher prices for their pedigrees. Like someone else said, people shouldn’t just be able to buy a puppy on a whim and by making puppies cheap and easily available this is exactly what will happen thus making you a glorified puppy mill (and you can deny it until you are blue in the face but it won’t change the fact!) and if you really cared about dogs you would abandon this idea right now.

I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe money wasn’t the first thing in your mind, maybe your intentions are good towards those who can’t afford a dog from a breeder but please please please think of the repucussions, if someone can’t afford to pay the price for a good quality dog how do you know that they will be able to afford to give that dog everything it will need throughout it’s life. Your idea is very naieve despite the fact that you think you know it all. You say that you have worked with rescue dogs before and yet you still think this is a good idea. It saddens me.

@Leanne1986 Very good point! re: If a person has problems paying high prices for a dog….they may not be able to give them the care they need ( abbreviated your quote a bit).

I want to tell you that dogs that have been puppy mill bred for pet stores usually have incredible health problems….I know because I have rescued some. One dog that came to me started to bleed internally and almost died within a week of taking her in. I won’t tell you what the vet bill was….I am just glad that the local vet was understanding and she pulled through. I have to say that the UK is very, very dog friendly and dogs are treated with incredible care and kindness here. But we have had horrible situations with puppy mills. See this (if you have a strong stomach):

http://celiahammond.org/index.php?PAGE_id=30&PAGE_user_op=view_page&module=pagemaster

My two most recent dogs were de-barked by a breeder (that’s right, their voiceboxes were tampered with) so that they would not make noise. Brutal. Consequently, they had bad problems with their tracheas and had difficulty exerting themselves as they would begin to cough. One of them died two years ago, we tried to save her, but the cumulative damage to her trachea took its toll.

My concern is also for the people who come to buy the dogs. When I adopted, I was “vetted” that is, someone from the Animal Rescue came to my house to see if it had the right fencing, room for an animal to roam in and that it was a safe place to house a dog. When a person buys a dog in a pet store or from a breeder that is not certified, then usually there is no vetting process…no one knows where that dog is going. As long as the money is paid, the dog is gone to parts unknown. I find that frightening.

Right now, just from a humanitarian point of view, there are so many hundreds of thousands of homeless dogs especially because of the recession. There are rescue services for each breed of dog (for example, Corgi Rescue, Standard Poodle Rescue, Schnauzer Rescue) in both the UK and America. So, even if people want a pedigree, they can find a “rescue” pedigree dog…if they just do a search.

I don’t know how old you are….but at any age….there is a much better way to make money than breeding dogs simply for profit. And it is very expensive——with food, vaccinations, medicines, check-ups, dental care——it is like having a child. Multiply that expense for every puppy. It is a daunting proposition. Most reputable breeders are registered with the Kennel Club or with another recognized organization. They need to maintain rigorous standards.

Breeding dogs is not for the faint-hearted, nor is it simply for profit, or to be undertaken as a lark.

You said no negative comments, but I’m afraid that’s not the way it works. I have to say that as long as we have homeless dogs being euthanized because there is no room for them, no one should be buying dogs from breeders.

@DarlingRhadamanthus GA. I’m in the UK too and I think we have some great specific breed rescues. We got our Collie from a Collie rescue and, despite a few anxiety issues to begin with, he is a great dog and we didn’t have to pay pedigree prices (of course he would have been worth it if we did!). I often point people in the direction of specific breed rescues.

No negative comments? Well I’m terribly sorry, but that’s ALL you’re gonna get out of me. This was NOT a question I was wanting to see on my Fluther first thing in the morning..

All my pets have been rescued in one way or another. From adopting my sweet little kitten (RIP Penny <3), to banging on an idiot’s front door yelling “Give me the snakes or I’m calling the police!”

Breeders need to be outlawed, banned, and their businesses eliminated! There are hundreds of thousands of unwanted and abused pets. All who are in need of love and a warm home with good food in their little tummies.

My parents adopted a dog from the local shelter and she is smarter then I am most days! She was beaten as a way of “training”, is still terrified of brooms and vaccumes and the smell of smoke; she shakes like a leaf and my Dad has to cuddle her on his lap. (Pretty funny picture since she is a solid 120lbs)

Sure sure, people want that cute little puppy or kitten. But that dog you see wandering from garbage can to garbage can down your back alley, fur matted, just skin and bones.. he was a puppy once. Or the cat you see the neighborhood kids teasing and throwing rocks at, she was a kitten once.

F—k this kinda s—t pisses me right off!!

@ElleBee I’m not sure I would go as far as outlawing breeders. I do agree with you that there are unwanted pets who need homes, but sometimes people have a good reason for wanting a specific breed (allergies, etc.)

@Dr_Dredd : very true but at the same time, there is every breed, color and shape of unwanted animal out there. I think that if someone took the time to look they would find the exact pooch or kitty they we’re looking for at an animal shelter ^.^ Just imo though. I have to stick by getting rid of breeders; at least until the pet population was at a much more manageable number. Until then, I can’t agree with bringing more pets into the world..

@Dr_Dredd I agree but I do firmly believe that it shouldn’t be so easy to breed animals and then sell them. I think breeders should be vetted to ensure that they are breeding for the right reasons, producing healthy animals, and providing the right care and enviroment in which to raise these animals until they go off to their new homes and then making sure that the animals are going to the best homes possible. Unfortunately, the OP here could easily just get on and do what she is planning to do because there are no guidelines or laws when it comes to breeding, anyone can do it and make money from it and it’s rarely for the right reasons.

I can understand why some people want puppies and so go to breeders. My mother for example was very frightened of dogs and was only happy with dogs she had known from puppies. There was no way she would let me get any of the dogs that I had when I lived with her from rescues unless I could get a puppy. Also, when it comes to getting dogs from breeders it often makes it easier to trace the family history so that you can be aware of any potential health problems. You can’t usually do this with a rescue dog.

@wee1020 I’m sorry, but animal welfare is obviously not your main priority. I don’t care how you plan on taking care of your dogs, there are too many dogs already out there needing homes. Dogs are not items or status symbols, they are living creatures.

I don’t care if you don’t want negative comments – you need to know the truth. If you buy dogs to breed them and sell the puppies, you are an irresponsible dog owner and you will negatively effect animal welfare.

For every puppy you sell, a dog in a shelter will die without a home.

@stemnyjones : wonderful answer, “For every puppy you sell, a dog in a shelter will die without a home.” gave me goosebumps! Well, put and much lurve to you!

I think it’s great you donate regularly to shelters, but that wouldn’t offset the harm you’d do by entering into the commercial pet marketplace.

If only 19% of people gets their pets from shelters, that is a serious problem considering the overpopulation of pets in shelters and rescue organizations and on the streets. Don’t encourage that market by feeding the demand, please!

Don’t flatter yourself by thinking that you’d be caring for animals or doing something good by them or improving the world in some way by sharing the joy of pets. It doesn’t matter how well you’d treat the individual animals in your care or encourage your customers to treat them: you’d be doing great harm to the pet population overall.

Pet breeding is simply irresponsible. Maybe in an ideal world it wouldn’t be, but we don’t live in an ideal world. Just consider the bad situation so many pets are in today and you’ll see we don’t live in an ideal world!

I have had 6 dogs in my adult life. All were shelter dogs, although two were actually pedigreed. One of those was abused by her owner and the other was used to produce puppies without regard to her health. Perhaps instead of starting business breeding more dogs, you should start a business to help people learn to care for the dogs they already have, or to learn the value of shelter dogs, or to monitor animal abuse.

Anything except adding to the problem.

“I dont want to waste my time on punctuation and grammer.”

@wee1020, facepalm.