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Discussion : How to Win an Argument?

Asked by scotsbloke (3756points) January 5th, 2010

How to Win an Argument?

What type of arguer are you?
Do you prefer the “all out screaming match” approach?
The “quiet sit down and talk” approach?
The “ignore each till someone cracks” approach?
Do you give up just for peace?
Have you ever lost a relationship because of constant arguments?
(I’m not talking about violence here, mainly verbal arguments although I’ve punched holes in walls and doors in the past and broken stuff, have you?)
How do you handle the situation where the other person continually sucks you into an argument that you never seem to be able to win?
Personally I am lucky, my wife and I rarely argue, but when we do it’s usually about something stupid…......I tend to go a bit quiet, not do the loud shout thing, and depending on the reason for the argument, even if I’m wrong it will take me a wee while to back down and admit it. (stubborn Scottish pride) But the wife, she’s the opposite, she shouts, screams and nags for an immediate resolution to the argument.
I also think a good argument can be good for a relationship – it kind of clears the static as it were.
How about you guys?
Is there such a thing as a perfect argument?

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34 Answers

CMaz's avatar

Depends.

Is it to satisfy yourself or to provide precedent?

For myself, I believe what I can live with. Believe me or don’t. I will not loose sleep over it.

To make sense to others, hopefully my life experience and my research is good enough.

To get loud and argue. To become abrasive and pushy are signs of weakness.
Having the “facts” but coming off “weak”. As far as I am concerned, you lost the argument.

At that point I really do not care what you think.

Austinlad's avatar

I think this is a great question. There will be lots of opinions here, and of course there’s no right answer. Too many variables, like, what’s the argument about, what are the personalities of those involved, how important the relationship is, etc. I rarely get into arguments in my private life, but at work, there’s always something to disagree about. I’ve tried everything: direct confrontation, gentle emails, sarcasm, humor, yelling (HR frowns on this, of course), and just talking. Each approach can work depending on how important the issue is who the other person is. We have people here who can get into a terrible argument and 10 minutes later forget it, others who carry grudges, others who demand their own way, and sometimes, someone who has a position but just gives in immediately to avoid conflict. I guess the only answer I can give you is…I use whatever works.

scotsbloke's avatar

@ChazMaz – Well, I guess that would depend on what it is your arguing about. But as a general rule…........most of us get into an argument to either prove a point or defend a point (don’t we?), so again, depends if you are the arguer or arguee.

I have known people (I wont say women cos that’s sexist – I’ll just call them Miss A and Miss B – :0)) who argued just for something to say, and one guy I knew – you could bash him on the head with a hammer and he’s not raise an eyebrow.
Arguments at work used to bug me more than arguments at home because it seems there are more restrictions as to what you can and cannot say – what’s acceptable etc. Luckily I was generally the Duty Manager so I just used that argument and stormed off in a strop! lol

CMaz's avatar

I never get heated in a argument/debate.

I get passionate.

“most of us get into an argument to either prove a point or defend a point (don’t we?)”

It is all about ego and how far you are going to go with that.

trailsillustrated's avatar

I don’t argue. I just don’t . I hate it. I just pull that string on the top of my head up and down and say” your’e right. You know everything, so your’e right. Everybody else is wrong, you are always right.’ Then I walk away.

scotsbloke's avatar

@ChazMaz – I cant argue with that.

dpworkin's avatar

I have debates in RL, but not too many disputes. When my SO and I have a disagreement we discuss it. Once (in 8 years) it got so intense that we used a “talking stick” (as long as you held it, you could talk, and the other person had to listen, and wait until you surrendered it.) That worked well. As I remember, it was a bottle of some kind of fruit juice that we were handing back and forth.

However, here on Fluther I do get short tempered when I am confronted by what I consider to be an excess of mule-headed stupidity.

HGl3ee's avatar

How to win: Know what the heck you are talking about!
Type: I’m a sit down and discuss civilly. Raise your voice and I’m going to walk away.
My relationship: We never argue, discuss maybe, but we always find common ground ^.^

ucme's avatar

Say what you know to be true, remain calm & lucid. Walk away knowing you’re right & before it decends into the gutter! My tactic anyway serves me well.

JessicaisinLove's avatar

I read once online that the woman is always right. Anything else you might say after that is the beginning of a new argument. hahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha

But seriously I don’t like to argue….......I’m willing to listen….....after all I could be wrong
or not seeing all sides of what ever the subject is. Or we both could be partially right
and need to find a common ground as ElleBee stated.

Finding something to argue about…...............not sure what that would be…...........
I guess it’s possible something could come up at some point.
In the adult realm, If that does happen I’d rather be able to rationally discuss it.

HTDC's avatar

Use evidence, works every time. Especially when arguing with Creationists, it’s like taking candy from a baby.

HGl3ee's avatar

@HTDC I love candy!

SABOTEUR's avatar

I forgot the exact phrase…it goes something like

“If you can’t impress ‘em with facts
dazzle ‘em with bullshit.”

LostInParadise's avatar

I hate nagging. Something does not become more reasonable if it is repeated umpteen times. There are two approaches I have tried, both with some limited success. One is to ask the person if there is anything new to say that has not already been stated.

The better method is to agree with the other person as much as possible.
“You are a miserable lazy good-for-nothing.”
“Ah, yes you are right, and I am so grateful to have you point this out to me.”
“Are you being sarcastic?” ”
“No, not at all.”
“Well why don’t you change?”
“I have tried, but I just can’t seem to manage.”

mattbrowne's avatar

The secret is not to have winning the argument as a goal. Just be passionate about the subjects as such. Be honest. Listen to other arguments. Consider the possibility that you could actually be wrong. To me applying a ‘how to win an argument’ strategy is a very bad idea.

CMaz's avatar

@mattbrowne – Right on.

scotsbloke's avatar

@mattbrowne – that’s a very good point, I dont go into an argument with a set goal myself, in fact I do my best to avoid them like the plague, BUT cant always avoid ‘em.

(I do take your point on board though – cheers)

tinyfaery's avatar

I don’t need to win arguments. Winning is about ego not about being right (whatever that means).

Berserker's avatar

I agree, verbal arguments are necessary for the development of a relationship.

That said, if my boyfriend and I argue, he usually just lets me have a hissy fit until I calm down so that we can then talk over the issue seriously.

>_>

wundayatta's avatar

What’s the point of winning an argument, anyway? An argument, usually, is not a war between countries, where if you win a complete and utter victory, you can force the people you conquered to do what you want them to. In fact, such victories are rare and illusory. We may have won the war in Iraq, but we were losing the peace for a while. It was not until we made friends, that we started to get anywhere.

If winning an argument is pretty much useless, why do we argue? Well, some argue for the sport of it. Some argue to vent feelings. Some argue because they lose control. Some argue because they don’t know any other way.

Non-sport arguments are pretty much the giving up stage of dispute resolution. When you’ve tried talking and talking and negotiating and negotiating, and you can’t reach a solution all the parties will agree to, that’s when the arguing breaks out. At that point, you are no longer negotiating. You are just trying to force the other person to your will. The real giving up stage, of course, is physical fighting.

So how do we resolve disputes? Well, as @pdworkin pointed out, listening really helps. If you can’t listen naturally, then use a talking stick to enforce the principle. Everyone gets a turn, and everyone can talk as long as they want. Have you ever been to a Quaker convention? Their rule is there is no resolution until everyone has reached “consensus.” It takes a while.

Well, your personal dispute resolving can take a while, too. The temptation to give up and argue or fight can be enormous. But those techniques get you no where other than feeling bad about the other person or yourself. It’s about not liking the person(s) you are negotiating with. It’s about destroying relationships, in the long run—if there are never any resolutions or apologies.

The thing is, you can try to enforce your will on someone else, and they might even agree, verbally. But they’ll still obstruct you every step of the way—sometimes overtly, often covertly. You want an agreement, because that’s the only thing that works. That’s the only thing all parties will want to carry through on. Anything short of unforced agreement leads to passive-aggressive behavior at best, and full break down of relations at worst.

The above is all about serious arguments. It applies to individuals and nations and labor negotiations. What this is not about is sporting arguments. These are arguments where you either have a formal debate, or it’s an alpha dog kind of thing at a party or meeting.

Other people have pointed out that information is useful in these arguments. If you enjoy that kind of thing, more power to you. I have learned over my life that it’s a waste of my time.

What I prefer is listening. You can see it in the way I ask my questions. I don’t ask for advice (although people love to give it), and I don’t ask for normative positions. What I ask for is stories. What is your (read individual) experience with this or that or the other thing. I really don’t give a shit what anyone tells me I should do. I care greatly about your real life experience with something.

My approach in many of these debate questions, such as political or religious discussions, is to ignore them. If I do want to participate, I have found that asking my partners in discussion how they got to this point of view—what life experiences brought them to this point. I have found this usually brings out some very interesting stories, and that I can truly understand where a person is coming from. It also helps me to suggest alternative ways of interpreting their lives and alternative means of achieving the goals they have, which usually are the same ones I have.

Arguing is useless for dispute resolution. What we should be doing is finding points of commonality. That way we can feel like we are on the same side, and we will get to a resolution much more quickly.

I’m a great fan of the “talking stick” principle. Everyone gets to talk for as long as they want, and they get listened to—really listened to—by everyone else. It is hard to learn to listen, because most of us have these scripts running in our heads. We are thinking what we will say next, and in doing so, we miss what our friend is telling us. Friend is another Quaker term. We are all friends. It is helpful to think this way, although difficult.

So you listen completely to others, never thinking about what you will say until when it is your turn, and then you say whatever is on your mind at that time. It is sufficient. It works. It usually doesn’t cause the bad feelings and anger that arguing causes. It keeps your blood pressure down. It lengthens your life. What’s not to like?

scotsbloke's avatar

you know I’m liking this thing with the Talking Stick…......

I used to do something similar some years back with my kids, only it was a “charge stick” – it was actually a back scratcher, but who-ever had was in charge and everyone else had to do as they were told. I used it to aid in discipline and respect matters.
A Talking Stick is a great idea. one which I will pinch…........
I think we all know in the cold light of day, the way we’d LIKE to be in an argument, whether that’s the way we actually are is another matter.

Thanks everyone for chipping in and please keep chatting about it as it’s fascinating hearing other views etc.
@daloon – how many keyboards do you go through a year? :0)
Good solid views there (from everyone actually)

wundayatta's avatar

@scotsbloke As it happens, I’m passing around the hat for extra keys. My space bar is about worn out, and you can’t even see the T on the t key any more.

JessicaisinLove's avatar

There are two theories to arguing with women. Neither one works.
hahahahaha Found that online…......

Sophief's avatar

Just depends who I am arguing with. If it is my parents then I’ll keep going until I have had the last word. I don’t know what happens with my boyfriend, because we are yet to argue, thankfully.

Blondesjon's avatar

Nobody ever wins an argument. You just have to learn to have fun while you are “exchanging ideas”.

When it comes to internet debates my contemporaries and I do agree on one thing. The first person to get pissed off, loses.

not the argument, just in life

ninjacolin's avatar

superior logic will defeat me every time. :(

Dr_Lawrence's avatar

Winning an argument is usually unsatisfying to me.

I only argue with someone I care about and then only when I notice that they are reaching distressing conclusions because of some logical flaw in their thinking.

Arguing then consists of examining their conclusions and the set of inferences and observations they used to derive the conclusion.

By a process of examining their prior assumptions and testing the validity of their observations, we can come to a resolution about the validity of their distressing conclusion and the faulty reasoning that led them to be so distressed.

It is more or less a cognitive-behavioral approach used by some therapists (like I was)

It is a guided tour of the thinking that underlies the distress.

wundayatta's avatar

@Dr_Lawrence And if there is no thinking?

CMaz's avatar

How do you win an argument?

You walk away.

Dr_Lawrence's avatar

@daloon In such a case I do not bother to engage them.

Silhouette's avatar

Look for compromise or at the very least figure out where your differences lie. There are two winners in a successful argument. (Mawage is what bwings us togefer)

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