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European, Middle Eastern and Australian and African flutherites: what's your opinion of the U.S of A?

Asked by Zen_Again (9936points) January 16th, 2010

There are questions here of your “opinion” of Israel, let’s hear about what overseas people think of the US for a change.

Could be surprising; Obama aint Bush, that’s for sure, but Obama has changed and society with it over the last year – not to mention the economic recession the States are in.

How do you perceive the great ol’ USA?

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Saturated_Brain's avatar

Why are Asian people excluded from this survey, pray tell? There are people here on Fluther from Asia, and the continent does comprise of 2 billion plus people.

HTDC's avatar

Overly political, overweight, overly patriotic, over-emotional, over-assertive, over-exuberant. That’s all I can think of right now. Don’t hate me.

wildflower's avatar

Somewhat short sighted and narrow minded. That would be my take on the average/mean, but I am aware there is a great deal of variation in such a big country, so, while I’m a tad skeptical of anything US does as a nation, I like most of the people from the US that I’ve met and have a considerably different opinion of them.

Zen_Again's avatar

Edit: Asian people, of which there are two billion, what’s your take on the US?

OpryLeigh's avatar

I have only been to America once and I was very young so most of my opinions on the USA and Americans in general have only been formed by what I have seen/heard from the media etc so, for that, I apologise in advance for my more negative opinions.

I am uncomfortable with how overly patriotic the USA seems to be and this comes across as thinking that America is better than every other nation. I also get the impression that the USA is overly commercial and in many places very religious.

On a more positive note all the Americans I have met have been extremely friendly and polite. You would never hear a young person in the UK calling one of the elders (apart from maybe their teachers at school) “sir” or “ma’am” sincerly.

Sandydog's avatar

I see the USA as a continent rather than a country – very diverse and not to be pidgeon holed. Within America there must be a multiplicity of ways people behave, and with such a huge population and land area. I did pick up on one thing over there and that was the way American flags are flown – seen them all over the place, and you certainly wouldnt see British flags so prominently here in Britain.
Whether thats a good or bad thing is a matter of opinion.

Seek's avatar

It’s funny – many of you see the US exactly as I see it.

Over-everything. Full of superfluous hubris.

Blech.

janbb's avatar

@Sandydog We don’t have a Queen or a Royal Family so we wave our flag instead. :-)

trailsillustrated's avatar

l love it! big, loud, and and you can do whatever you want. funny too- religious, self-mocking, confident, fulla shit, friendly, crazy, brash

Sebulba's avatar

I hate you all

janbb's avatar

@Sebulba We noticed.

Sandydog's avatar

America can have the Royal Family !!!!!!

janbb's avatar

No thanks, the flags are cheaper and don’t screw around as much!

Saturated_Brain's avatar

America.. How should I put this..

- Deafeningly loud in the cities, yet blissfully peaceful in the countryside
– Cramped up like sardines in the ghettos, yet vast and free in the rural areas
– Most of the world’s climates placed into one huge country, all free for the picking
– Very friendly people all around

Of course, I was quite young then. My view was probably very inaccurate (especially since my parents probably made sure that the family only associated with very friendly people).

Dr_Lawrence's avatar

Did you exclude Canadians, Mexicans, Central Americans, South Americans for some specific reason?

rooeytoo's avatar

Judging from the different countries I have lived in and visited, not much different. Everywhere I go, I meet some people who are exactly like the descriptions above and I meet folks who are kind and generous and all good things you can think of. USA is no different. It is hard to generalize about 308,501,055 people and that is what the USA and every other country is, a whole bunch of different people.

Zen_Again's avatar

Please accept my sincerest apologies dear Canadians, Mexicans, Central Americans, South Americans who I have not forgotten for some specific reason, but rather due to my being geographically-challenged. I welcome your input and insight.

Dr_Lawrence's avatar

I love the idea of the USA. I really like most Americans!
The country has been undermined tragically by the actions of the previous President and Vice-President.

The USA is an idea based on the words of the Constitution and the “Bill of Rights”.
Those are the amendments to the US Constitution
The two key amendments that guarantee individual rights are:

The First Amendment:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

and

The Fourth Amendment:
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

Well the Patriot Act and warrantless wiretapping has violated the first amendment!
Guess what, the Patriot Act and the legislation establishing the wide ranging (unlimited) powers of the Department of Homeland Security violates the Fourth Amendment.
With the “War on Terror” as an excuse, No American has no privacy. Your internet search history, your library loans, and your history of purchases or rentals are all available to DHS and the police. Did you ever see TV news footage of a police seizure of computers and business records? Why do they seize monitors, mice and keyboards? That is stupid and unreasonable. Wiretapping and Internet tracking without warrants also is constitutes searching of your house, papers (or equivalent) and effects (your personal information).

The Bush/Cheney Administration radically and in some cases irreversibly undermined your rights! Nearly all these rights have yet to be restored!

What support is there for my opinions? Is this just Anti-Americanism?
Read on!

Bush’s appointments to the Supreme Court shifted the court to a “Law and Order” oriented as opposed to a “Human Rights” orientation.

That Supreme Court radically broadened the scope of documents and information which can be deemed classified. Link

The National Security Agency (NSA) set up Project Groundbreaker, a domestic call monitoring program infrastructure Link

Bush administration order authorized the NSA monitoring of domestic phone and internet traffic Link

After 9/11 Department of Justice authorized detention without charge for any terror suspects. Over one thousand suspects were brought into detention over the next several months. Link

Under Bush/Cheney Attorney General John Ashcroft announced change in Department of Justice (DOJ) policy. The new policy imposed far more stringent criteria for the granting of Freedom of Information Act requests Link

The NSA launched massive new database of information on US phone calls Link

USA Patriot Act:

- makes it a crime for anyone to contribute money or material support for any group on the State Department’s Terror Watch List,
– allows the FBI to monitor and tape conversations between attorneys and clients,
– allows the FBI to order librarians to turn over information about patron’s reading habits,
– allows the government to conduct surveillance on internet and email use of US citizens without notice

> calls for expanded use of National Security Letters (NSLs), which:

- allows the FBI to search telephone, email and financial records of US citizens without a court order,
– exempts the government from needing to reveal how evidence against suspected terrorists was obtained and authorizes indefinite detention of immigrants at the discretion of law enforcement and immigration authorities

The Patriot Act is an assault on the Fourth Amendment, and on the First Amendment.

- It permits federal agents to write their own search warrants [under the name “national security letters”] with no judge having examined evidence and agreed that it’s likely that the person or thing the government wants to search will reveal evidence of a crime

- makes it a felony for the recipient of a self-written search warrant to reveal it to anyone.

- allows [agents] to serve self-written search warrants on financial institutions but take note:

The Intelligence Authorization Act of 2004 defines financial institutions to include in addition to banks, also”

> delis,
> bodegas,
> restaurants,
> hotels,
> doctors’ offices,
> lawyers’ offices,
> telephone companies,
> HMOs,
> hospitals,
> casinos,
> jewelry dealers,
> automobile dealers, >boat dealers,
> and even the post office

Sources: Link and Link

What else?

The FBI and the Department of Defense (DOD), which are forbidden by law from compiling databases on US citizens, began contracting with private database firm ChoicePoint to collect, store, search and maintain data
Link

Under Bush/Cheney a secret executive order was issued authorizing NSA to wiretap the phones and read emails of US citizens
Link

The Transportation Security Adminstration (TSA) created both a “No Fly” and a separate “Watch” list of US travelers. Link

Department of Justice authorizes the FBI to monitor political and religious groups. The new rules permit the FBI to broadly search or monitor the internet for evidence of criminal activity without having any tips or leads that a specific criminal act has been committed
Link

The Homeland Security Act of 2002 established the Department of Homeland Security DHS.

It is charged with the task of:
> federally coordinating all local and state law enforcement nationwide
> running a Directorate of Information and Analysis with authority to compile comprehensive data on US citizens using public and commercial records including credit card, phone, bank, and travel.

DHS is exempt form Freedom of Information Act disclosure requirements.

Its jurisdiction is defined and has extended beyond terrorism into areas including:

> immigration,
> pornography and
> drug enforcement
Link and Link

The Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2004 granted the FBI unprecedented power to obtain records from financial institutions without requiring permission from a judge. Under the law, the FBI does not need to seek a court order to access such records, nor does it need to prove just cause Link and Link

An Executive order was issued which radically tightens the declassification process of classified government documents, as well as making it far easier for government agencies to make and keep information classified

> allowed the government to treat all material sent to American officials from foreign governments—no matter how routine—as subject to classification, and
> expanded the ability of Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to shield documents from declassification.
> Finally it gave the vice president the power to classify information
Link and Link

The Supreme Court ruled that even permanent residents could be subject to mandatory detention when facing deportation based on a prior criminal conviction, without any right to an individualized hearing to determine whether they were dangerous or a flight risk
Link

The FBI changes its traditional policy of destroying all data and documents collected on innocent citizens in the course of criminal investigations. This information would, according to the bureau, now be permanently stored.
Executive Order 13388, expanded access to those files for “state, local and tribal” governments and for “appropriate private sector entities,” which are not defined
Link and Link

Under The Patriot Act, the FBI expands the practice of national security letters. NSLs, originally introduced for espionage and terrorism investigations, enabled the FBI to review in secret the customer records of suspected foreign agents. This was extended by the Patriot Act to include permitting clandestine scrutiny of all U.S. residents and visitors whether suspected of terrorism or not. Link

FBI began keeping a database of US citizens based on information obtained via NSLs
Link

Bush’s Attorney General John Ashcroft invoked State Secrets privilege to forbid former FBI translator from testifying in a case brought by families of victims of the 9–11 attacks. Litigation by 9–11 families is subsequently halted Link and Link

Supreme Court uphelds a Nevada state law allowing police to arrest suspects who refuse to provide identification based on police discretion of “reasonable suspicion” Link

Supreme court ruled that police do not need to have probable cause to have drug sniffing dogs examine cars stopped for routine traffic violations Link and Link

Supreme Court rules that the federal government can prosecute medical marijuana users even in states which have laws permitting medical marijuana Link

Senate passed amended version of Patriot Act, reauthorization, with three basic changes from the original including:

> recipients of secret court orders to turn over sensitive information on individuals linked to terrorism investigations are not allowed to disclose those orders but can challenge the gag order after a year,
> libraries would not be required to turn over information without the approval of a judge,
> recipients of an FBI “national security letter”—an investigator’s demand for access to personal or business information—would not have to tell the FBI if they consult a lawyer.

A New bill supposedly to extend Congressional oversight over executive department usage guidelines however, shortly after the bill is signed, Bush declares oversight rules are not binding! Link and Link

The Supreme court ruled that evidence obtained in violation of the “knock and announce” rules can still be permitted in court. Link

The previous US Congress and Senate approved the Military Commissions Act, which:

> authorized torture and strips non- US citizen detainees suspected of terrorist ties of the ancient right of habeas corpus (which includes formal charges, counsel and hearings).
>It also empowers US presidents at their discretion to declare US citizens as enemy combatants and subject to detention without charge or due process Link and Link and Link

The John Warner Defense Authorization Act was passed:
> allows a president to declare a public emergency and station US military troops anywhere in America as well as take control of state based national guard units without consent of the governor or other local authorities
> authorizes presidential deployment of US troops to round-up and detain “potential terrorists”, “illegal aliens” and “disorderly” citizenry Link and Link

National Security Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD-51) establishes a new post-disaster plan where disaster is defined as: any incident, natural or man-made, resulting in extraordinary mass casualties, damage or disruption
> This places the president in charge of all three branches of government and overrides the National Emergencies Act which gave Congress power to determine the duration of a national emergency Link and Link

The “Idea” that the USA is a country that guarantees freedom of religion, free speech and the right to be protected against unreasonable search and seizure is now little more than a myth! The power of the executive branch has been extended at the expensive of the Legislative Branches so that the constitution as written no longer applies.

The USA has become a scary place for citizens, and especially legal residents and legal visitors. Citizen apathy and irrational fear promoted by Bush and Cheney and the extreme radical right wing, the teabaggers, and the religious right.

I’m sorry for what the USA has become. The American people were duped.
The world-wide economic crisis and the admirable effort to solve the health care mess has not allowed the Obama administration to even start to restore individual rights that Americans once celebrated and appreciated.

Saturated_Brain's avatar

@Dr_Lawrence Did you write all that down?

Dr_Lawrence's avatar

It took me several hours to compile from multiple sources. I am a researcher. Much of it is paraphrasing.

rooeytoo's avatar

I think my head is going to explode.

mattbrowne's avatar

The majority of people on our planet admire America (some maybe more secretly). I shared my list with you before. I admire

1) More than 200 years of democracy (checks and balances made sure it never turned to extreme totalitarianism. Even 8 years of Bush is like a minor hiccup compared to the Third Reich, Stalin or the aftermath of the French Revolution)

2) Immigation: Drawing the best talents from all over the world

3) Ivy league universities and the ability to think big – one of the highest per capita rate of Nobel Prize winners

4) Pioneering mentality, visionary, innovative and risk-taking entrepreneurship (meant in a positive way e.g. Sun or Google in the silicon valley, not the corporate crooks creating speculative bubbles)

5) Applying self-help / community organization (Obama is a great example for that) instead of always waiting for the state to fix everything

6) Friendliness, openness, welcoming visitors

7) Optimism (I think the recent years are the exception if you look at time spans of 100 years or more)

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