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No Dungeons & Dragons for prisoners?

Asked by phoenyx (7406points) January 27th, 2010

You can read the story here: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/27/us/27dungeons.html

From the article:
Dungeons & Dragons could “foster an inmate’s obsession with escaping from the real-life correctional environment, fostering hostility, violence and escape behavior,” prison officials said in court.

In my own experience, people who play pencil & paper roleplaying games are less likely to want to go outside. :)

Is this too much or does it make sense to make restrictions like this for prisoners?

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lucillelucillelucille's avatar

I believe in chain-gangs more than games for prisoners.

Daisygirl's avatar

I play to get my aggressions out, but I think it should be a priviledge to play rather than something your automatically allowed to do, unless it’s for therepy reasons.

@lucillelucillelucille – totally agree, prisoners now-a-days feel like they should have a more cushy life in jail than when they were out… Like sending your kid in the corner and allowing them to play video games.

absalom's avatar

It’s prison.

Snarp's avatar

The guy in question killed his sister’s boyfriend with a sledgehammer. I don’t really think a policy against D&D makes sense, but I also don’t know what this particular nut might or might not have been inspired to do by it, and I don’t see it as a protected right of prisoners. I think there are a lot of problems in our prisons that are a lot more important than whether or not this guy can play D&D.

Seek's avatar

Oh, for Pete’s sake.

If playing D&D had any real effect on the violent activities of human beings, the population of skinny, nearsighted white guys in prison would be much higher than it is now.

If anything, RolePlaying games keep people with Napoleon complexes intoxicated in their own homes and those of their close friends, taking out their frustrations on their D20s, rather than their overbearing bosses.

I couldn’t care less whether this guy is allowed to play D&D in jail or not – if he’s the type to actually take a sledgehammer to someone, he’s probably not all that good a player anyway. I know I wouldn’t want him in my campaign. However, that BS about “fostering hostility, violence and escape behavior”... Come on.

CMaz's avatar

“I believe in chain-gangs more than games for prisoners.”
So true. Give them a shovel instead of a joystick.

“I couldn’t care less whether this guy is allowed to play D&D in jail or not”
Of course not. You do not have to be in jail. :-)

Cruiser's avatar

I recently read some compelling statistics on our correctional system on how we do treat our prisoners in ways that leaves the door open to debate on what is a best or better way to rehabilitate wrong doers to become productive citizens again. Aside from this guy being a heinous murderer, depriving prisoners of things to occupy their time IMO seems like the wrong way of going about it and only would further encourage an inmate to hate society more for it.

marinelife's avatar

This seems like a petty move. The things they are saying about D&D are ridiculous.

Seek's avatar

“Of course not. You do not have to be in jail. :-)”

Exactly. I spend my time playing D&D, not bludgeoning people with garden tools.

CMaz's avatar

“depriving prisoners of things to occupy their time IMO seems like the wrong way of going about it”

The problem with that thinking is. No matter what you “allow”. They will corrupt it into a scam and another form of control over other inmates.

Jeruba's avatar

Don’t they let them watch TV? That’s one of the most insidious escapist addictions we have, and constantly displays instances of the kind of behavior (even glorifying it) that prison officials apparently don’t favor.

stranger_in_a_strange_land's avatar

They have too much time on their hands. What’s so wrong with assigning them hard physical labor that leaves them no time or energy for anything but sleep? After all, they are criminals and it is a prison.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

I’d rather discuss prisoners’ health rights that their rights for games.

ragingloli's avatar

Like Richard Coughlan said, if it makes them not wanting to escape, then that is a good thing, isn’t it? If it prevents them from wanting to escape from prison and makes me safer, then give them their xbox. Seriously.
I think that playing games distracts them and makes them less inclined to plan a prison escape.
The prison’s baseless claim that it does the opposite is in my view nothing more than an attempt to rationalise making the lives of prisoners worse out of a desire to make them suffer, which in turn might be a symptom of sadism or a superiority complex. They should seek the help of a psychiatrist.

lucillelucillelucille's avatar

@cruiser-yes,keep them busy doing manual labor,not sitting on their arse fighting imaginary monsters.

CMaz's avatar

“I think that playing games distracts them and makes them less inclined to plan a prison escape.”

You have been watching too many movies.

Snarp's avatar

There is something to be said for @ragingloli‘s argument here. Prisoners addicted to role playing games or computer games will sit there and get pale, fat, weak, and lacking in initiative and enjoy every minute of it. That will certainly make them easier to deal with than if they spend their days miserably toiling in the sun and getting stronger. Maybe we should also offer them unlimited pot and Doritos.

CMaz's avatar

You all seem to be missing the mark.

It eventually/quickly becomes another tool for extortion. It is just another form of money, power and control.

Nullo's avatar

It sounds like they don’t want the prisoners to forget that they are, in fact, in jail.

Snarp's avatar

@ChazMaz But it is also a tool for behavior modification by the prison staff. Take away all the things prisoners enjoy and they have no reason to behave other than fear, and frankly they’re more afraid of other prisoners not respecting them than they ever will be of the guards. If they get to partake in activities they enjoy, on the other hand, then those activities can be selectively and temporarily or permanently taken away to punish bad behavior or expanded to reward good behavior.

ragingloli's avatar

@ChazMaz
I think you are wrong.

CMaz's avatar

”@ChazMaz, I think you are wrong.”
Tell it to my son who is doing 20 years.

ragingloli's avatar

@ChazMaz
So your son is using pen and paper games to extort things from other inmates?

Seek's avatar

@ragingloli

I can see you have little experience around DMs with serious ego issues.

CMaz's avatar

“So your son is using pen and paper games to extort things from other inmates?”

You would be surprised what you can do with a pen and paper for that matter.
And, you do not want to mess with cretin pissed off inmates.
Especially if they loose. Next game you might be playing is hide the salami and your ass will be the game board.

Seek's avatar

I’ve traded beer for magic items before. Srsly. Totally worth it. It was good beer, too. The Bag of Holding was more useful to me, though.

Seek's avatar

I’m dying to know what @zuma has been crafting for over an hour. ^_^

ekans's avatar

The webcomic Penny Arcade recently had a comic about this.

Seek's avatar

@ekans

ROFL! That’s excellent!

Zuma's avatar

Chain gangs? Prisoners have cushy lives? Something is a privilege and not a protected right, so it can be denied for no particularly good reason? Here we see the pernicious spiritual rot that I was just talking about in action.

This 33 year-old guy is serving Life in prison. LIFE! (We sentenced Nazi war criminals to “only” 20 years in prison.) Does that mean that he has forfeited every human pleasure for the next 50 years? Every creative flight of fantasy? Every self-created pleasure because he enjoys no “protected right” to the freedom of his own mind—all because some petty, stupid thug of a guard has taken it upon himself to make his life one of unrelenting misery?

“After all, punishment is a fundamental aspect of imprisonment, and prisons may choose to punish inmates by preventing them from participating in some of their favorite recreations.” the court reasoned. It offered no evidence to support its hunch that playing D&D _might make you more inclined to violence, escape or a “gang mentality.” Apparently, nobody thinks about escaping from a straight-up dungeon, but if you add a fantasy dragon, then people do. This is pure, small-minded, vindictive cruelty.

Surely the idea that he is a “heinous criminal” justifies every every petty and vindictive cruelty, after all he did bludgeon his sister’s boyfriend. What kind of monster could do a thing like that? Well, actually, there are literally hundreds of cases brutal murders like this among people taking SSRI antidepressants like Paxil, Zoloft, Prozac and Effexor.

People don’t just suddenly grab a hammer and beat their sister’s boyfriends to death because they have suddenly fallen into the grip of some incomprehensible evil. Usually crimes like this are preceded by a long period of provocation. One (admittedly unverified) blog I saw suggested that the murdered boyfriend had been beating the man’s sister quite severely over a long period of time and the guy had just had enough. But even if he was in the grip of such an evil, does that mean he should be deprived of the pleasures of fantasy for the rest of his life?

No. One goes to prison as punishment, not to be punished. If you think that prisoners have cushy lives, you simply don’t know what’s going on. These and these are the normal punishments of prison; this is the brutal and unaccountable context in which they are administered; and this is often how things degenerate into pure barbarism.

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” is not a principle that applies only to people you happen like. It applies to everyone—and especially to people who have transgressed. Continually immiserating people because they have done something bad prevents them from ever coming to terms with their transgressions. Prison is already a shattering experience, it only rivets the offender’s mind on his own misery to continually punish him, day after day, year after year. It only compounds the original injustice to commit a new dehumanizing injustice against the offender. It prevents him from growing and moving on with his life.

The laws in this country have grown so punitive and quirky that almost anyone can become a “criminal.” It is far, far easier than you think. The humanity you advocate denying, the misery you advocate inflicting may ultimately be your own.

Taking away things prisoners care about doesn’t help keep them in line in the slightest, it only teaches them not to care about anything or anybody. Trust me, that is exactly the person you don’t want to run into on a cold dark night.

Cruiser's avatar

@ChazMaz [your quote]“The problem with that thinking is. No matter what you “allow”. They will corrupt it into a scam and another form of control over other inmates.”

The problem with your thinking Chaz is not everyone in prison is a scammer. Most are people for what ever reason made a mistake and simply want to do their time and get back to re-establishing normalcy in their lives. Adding to their misery of incarceration is not a solution to the problem of our ever growing prison population in as much as the continued deprivation of opportunity that our society seems so begrudged to offer the less fortunate of our society which only serves to encourage crime and wrong doing.

CMaz's avatar

“not everyone in prison is a scammer.”
Very true. But, they better get with the program if they want to “get along” and “simply” do their time.

“Adding to their misery of incarceration is not a solution to the problem ”
Again, true. But most of the time that “misery” is self inflicted and a product of the environment..

“seems so begrudged to offer the less fortunate of our society which only serves to encourage crime and wrong doing.”
Some things are just the way they are.

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