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Need a reality check, medication (drugs) are involved, if you please?

Asked by 12_func_multi_tool (803points) January 28th, 2010

If you wish to comment on my immorality please keep it short, so I may concentrate on something that I need. Medications have always had a eccentric effect on me. At the moment I have a lot of benzos in my system, I’ve already had to reschedule an appointment. The efficacy dose never works but when I take a “therapeutic dose” it turns out to be an overdose. I’m working on changing meds. From their introduction meds are hailed as a life preserver that we can never take off. To take them religiously is the order of the day. I’m spacey and shuffling around like some Asian version of Ozzy Osborne. Just a little reality check will do. If this is inappropriate content I’ll abandon the question

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faye's avatar

There are many different meds and combinations of. Don’t worry, you’re doctor will fix it. But are you waiting long enough for the efficacy dose to take effect? some herbals and alcohol will affect drugs.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

Wait, hold on…why would your morality be in question, again? Secondly, are you taking meds for a problem that you have or do you have a problem with meds (usage, addiction)? A good psychiatrist will help with dosing issues though sometimes, for some people, there is no ‘perfect dose’. You just have to ride out the bad with the good.

gailcalled's avatar

No morality issues here that I see. And also no one-size-fits-all. You need a really good Pharmacologist to work with you. your past side-effects and future goals. Psychotropic drugs are not always life preservers and they are not always yours’ for life.

There is no “Order of the day.” You do need to follow instructions, not skip doses and give the particular med enough time to either kick in or be considered not for you.

12_func_multi_tool's avatar

I have paradoxical reactions, every thing is prescribed and closely monitored. To split hairs I am dependent on these meds to make me functional, I think addiction is too strong a term. It takes at least a month for the doctor to think, analyze, quantify and take all ethical issues into account and then another month, if the status quo is change for the meds to take affect. Doctors are absolutely terrified to give any sort of drug that may be abused, it’s a trend. I’ve had some of my most productive months when I flushed my pills, of course I found my self in the hospital. It a decision I’d make again despite the hell I was in. All of these new generation psychotropic drugs have an insert that says roughly“we do not know the exact mechanism of this drug, what we do know it increases or decreases this or that chemical in the brain” Not exactly something everyone wants to hear. I have trust in my doctors, nurses and meds. However there is a time, in many peoples lives also I suppose, that I have to follow my own gut reasoning and step out side of the yellow safety line. It’s not arrogance it’s self-preservation. thx you all so much

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@12_func_multi_tool well these are all tough things to deal with. and self-preservation is, of course, key to many of our lives. I am on meds ( a small dose, albeit) so that I can be ‘functional’. I have struggled with this notion for years. My psychiatrist (and obviously he’s biased) doesn’t struggle with it because he thinks it’s a good idea so that I don’t fall back into the darkness.

vincentcent's avatar

My short experience with benzos, clonazepam, was that it was fast acting. It started working and started building a tolerance rather quickly. They also take longer to taper off of than most meds. For me, it was good as a short term fix. Some people can tolerate benzos longer. I also found that nicotine and caffeine can interact with many other medications.

12_func_multi_tool's avatar

@Simone_De_Beauvoir @vincentcent I’m afraid of being judged because a percentage of the population does not recognize mental illness. The attitude is “Get up off you butt, stop feeling sorry for yourself and do your job.” I’m prescribed just a little every month, maybe the doctor grasped my attitude to the whole thing. Yes the tolerance is the issue so it’s strictly a PRN script

vincentcent's avatar

Oh, The script is ‘take as needed’. I do agree with you about the stigma towards mental illness. Sure when you see a paraplegic you do not question their handicap. But somehow it OK to persistently question someone’s mental illness. Maybe society as a whole has become cynical. Distrust first and ask questions later.

wundayatta's avatar

Ask a room full of manic-depressives if they’d like to go off their meds, and 90% of them would jump at the chance. Between the dislike of side effects and the appreciation of the energy of mania (except for those for whom mania sucks), it is a wonderful thing—even if you know it will be followed by depression. I’m not seeking to justify this. Just telling you what my experience is.

I think that most bipolar people choose to go off their meds knowing the potential consequences and willing to endure them. They believe (fool themselves into believing?) that they will find a way to handle themselves without meds, this time. Or, at least, this is what goes through my mind. If it weren’t for my family, I don’t think I’d be taking my meds. At least, not all of them.

I don’t know what @12_func_multi_tool‘s diagnosis is, so what I’m saying only applies to the people I know—and possibly bipolar people in general.

It’s kind of amazing to be in a room full of manic-depressives when half of them are a little bit manic. It reminds me of the werewolf myth. The energy builds and first one person changes into the wolf, and then the others follow faster and faster because it is too hard to resist that call.

Depressives, on the other hand, will not give up their meds. It’s the only thing they have to keep them living. Being in a room of manic-depressives when they are mostly on a down cycle…. well, you can imagine.

What’s weirdest is when some are really down and some are really up. That’s kind of like the Twilight Zone. Or one of those laser battles where you can’t seen anyone or anything except for the flashes of laser light.

Anyway, the docs don’t know what they’re doing because there is no useful model for predicting the effect these drugs will have. So they go with their favorites and if that doesn’t work, they often throw their hands up in the air and just up the dosage. You have to find another shrink if you want to try something else.

I think that it is possible that the people with experience with the meds know a hell of lot more than the docs do. Some docs also have the problem that their heads are stuck up their asses. It’s kind of hard to see a patient in that position. They prescribe anyway. Their fingers are twitchy, too. You wonder why their signatures are so unreadable? They’re probably just as drugged up as we are.

Anyway, I respect anyone who makes a choice for themselves, even if it is against their shrink’s orders. The shrinks really don’t know as much as they think they do in this area. But they have their professional pride to uphold, and they don’t believe mentally ill people are competent, so they give themselves permission to ignore their patients’ humanity.

It’s sad because many people do take themselves off their meds. They tell their shrink and the shrink refuses to support it, so the patient generally goes off cold turkey, instead of gradually, under medical supervision. That’s just wrong. The medical community should respect the choices of the mentally ill, even if they believe we are making the wrong choices. Who made them God?

I’m going to stop there because if I get into full rant mode, I might be here all night.

Marva's avatar

Hi, can offer somethinga bit diffrent?
Since medication make you feel so bad, have you thought of Alternative treatments? like Naturopathy? or chinese acupuncture? the good and experienced practitionairs know how to integrate WITH the medical care and reduce medications gradually with the participation of your doctor in the process. What happens is that the natural balance of the body is restored and eventually you wont need the drugs nor the treatment.

YARNLADY's avatar

I often find that the recommended dose of medication is not correct for me. I suggest you discuss this with your medical provider, just as you have with us. You are more likely to find an educated, experienced opinion there.

12_func_multi_tool's avatar

Acupuncture and stuff is homeopathic and can aid in coping @Marva I’ve done it before. I do believe in it’s positive effects but I can’t believe it will calm anything like the schizo-affective and bi-polar disorder I have. Too, too much going on. So I’m willing to blast it so to speak with the Pfizer and other creations, in fact one of my meds is Lithium Carbonate a plain salt. At times the cure is worse than the disease, I’ve had many, many close calls with the effects of my meds, and it presents a dilemma. At the time I need to be hospitalized but I know I could not stand the stress of waiting one hour or more in the ER. @YARNLADY It is at these times I need to take extreme measures like overdosing on particular OTC meds that have a contrary effect on the, situation, and I don’t fool around, I rip open the bottle and pour a handful, without counting -as much as I can swallow, and down them, that is why I steal, I cannot afford to buy these OTC meds as they are expensive for some reason. Ma’am that is the conventional wisdom, slow, steady, consistent. The trouble comes when the illness is unpredictable, as I said before, I step over the yellow safety line. Believe me, I have told the doctors about my behavior and I am properly chastised. I’ve had this mind/body 39 years and illness since 18 yo or earlier. The doctors have procedures to follow, I have self-monitoring to follow; I do not give them exclusive expertise for my treatment. I follow the spirit of their advice, and as stubborn as it seems I cannot hand over my fate, body, mind totally. That is for my monks, and Buddhist traditions. Thanks, you have given me such intelligent and honest and reserved input.

gailcalled's avatar

The doctors have procedures to follow, I have self-monitoring to follow; I do not give them exclusive expertise for my treatment. I follow the spirit of their advice, and as stubborn as it seems, I cannot hand over my fate, body, mind totally.

@12 func etc;That mind set doesn’t seem to have been consistently efficacious, from what you write. If it’s broke, why not fix it. (Taking a handful of piils, whether OTC or Rx, seems beyond foolhardy, even to the monks.)

Marva's avatar

@12_func_multi_tool , I am sorry to hear so.I definitly understand this is a very difficult and diffrent situation, but I have to tell you something, as a practitionaire of natural medicine:
For a LONG-TERM-TREATMENT-ONLY (!), I really believe that even these conditions can be bettered and maybe even reversed, depending how much change YOU can contain. ther are, more rarely, some practitionairs of deiffrent natural methods who are also very qualified in the realm of the mental and the emotional. myself I believe that people suffering from these deep interferences as you mentioned, are ususally very special people, very sensitive, with a wider range of preception and reception. some of the times what it takes is to bring the balance in, and teach those people how to use it as a tool, and controll it. From my own experience in natural healing I believe that thiese things are sometimes possible. It takes a special kind of therapist, who understands the structure of the soul and emotional realm, and your own utmost dedication. when you will find him/her, you will know.
If i can help @ any, or continue this conversation with you, you can send me a private message.
Good luck in any way you choose.

12_func_multi_tool's avatar

@Marva thank you Marva, I may try when more stable or more money. Really if this thing could help without destroying so much of the good part of me, I’d be a convert forever.

Marva's avatar

@12_func_multi_tool Great! I am glad if my words are of any assistance to you now or in the future. If I may add, out of good will, about money: In my country, for example, services like combined holistic care and psychology are part of the health insurance and are very cheap to take, it’s not like going to one capable therapist who combined everything for you, but it could give support and help you untill you are ripe and ready for the kind of help I mentioned earlier. It is worthwhile to see what kind of services does your insurance offer…
I really hope for you that you will find your way to feel better, whatever it will be.
One last thing, if you please, out of professional curiosity: did you find my description of the person suffering from schizoid disorder describes you aswell?

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