How's your postion on Obama's Healthcare plan?
Tell me what yout hink about Obama’s Healthcare plan, do you like it, or no?
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I’m beginning to feel like health care is like the weather; everyone is talking about it but no one is doing anything. I’m sorry, I just can’t parse the in and outs of various plans any more. Pass some legislation and then let me look at it.
My position: An equitable health care program is impossible if the government has as much as a pinkie in it.
@janbb
The Dems are just droppin’ the ball on this one. Something has got to be passed. The cost to everyone is just too great not too.
@SeventhSense You’ll get no argument from me on that; I totally agree.
I would like to see a reasonable health care plan pass into law. Speculating on a proposed plan is useless, because when it gets passed it hardly ever resembles the original proposal.
My position is that his plan looks like the best option available at this point and it should pass.
It will do a LOT of good. It will end the worst practices of the insurance industry. It will give sick and poor people $900 billion to help them afford insurance.
I would have preferred a public option, but it’s not the end of the world. (And it’s unfortunate that so many liberals believe it is.)
I don’t really agree with it, but I’m MORE than happy that something is trying to be done.
I mean it’s absurd that it’s illegal to drive without insurance…. But health insurance isn’t a necessity?
At least he is trying.
Then again will anything be fixed with him only in office or four years??!?
@SeventhSense You mean the Medicare that’s currently broke? Medicare was passed in, I think, 1966. That was also the year that medical costs “lifted off” like a space shuttle. Seems like more than a coincidence.
@plethora
“Every country” on earth does this and there’s no reason we can’t. The cost of uninsured persons is far greater to the system than any investment we have to make. And we run a far greater risk of catastrophic consequences if we don’t pass this.
Of course I like his plan, that’s the one I want.
I don’t want to be ignored when I go to the hospital, I just want the insurance that the politicians have.
@plethora close, it was signed into law in 1965 What I don’t get is that people who don’t want the benefits offered by the government don’t have to take them.
The plan certainly isn’t what I would want, but if any meaningful health reform is going to be passed, it will be this. We have already failed once to bring near-universal health care to America; I don’t want to wait for the third time to come around. I doubt this will reduce costs, but it brings regulations and safeguards that will be useful in other ways.
45.7 million uninsured Americans in the richest country of the world. Discussions dragging on and on and on. Most European countries have had health insurance for everyone for 40 years or more. The US can put people on the moon and decipher the human genome, but not agree on a health care plan because it might not be perfect. You must be kidding, right? Any imperfect plan is better than having 45.7 million uninsured Americans. Many of these people suffer and politicians just care about Obama not being successful. Democracy is not about power. It’s about serving our citizens. All citizens.
Over a year into it, he still can’t explain how “we” are going to pay for all of those niceties and the current bill is a mere shadow of what he promised. Plus, what happened to the public option??
I hate it.
“We” in other countries can do it, even though GDP per capita is even lower than in the US, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
It’s not about niceties. It’s about saving people’s lives. Many eventually die early because they got no health insurance. People who need a doctor but can’t afford one. I wonder how all these Republicans sabotaging the effort are able to sleep at night. Why are they not tormented by remorse?
The Government is bankrupt
Social Security is going bankrupt
Medicaid/Medicare is a black hole
We don’t need to get further in debt with a program we can’t afford, and won’t work
@mattbrowne
You said it brother.
People wondering who is going to pay for it?...Puleeeze.
We just spend 900 billion dollars to kill tens of thousands of people and occupy a foreign country that posed no threat to anyone. Anyone care to tell me where those magical funds originated?
Oh yes, in the twisted brain of a psychopathic leader named George W. and the populace duped by his “weapons of mass destruction”.
@Cruiser and @DrBill, he has explained how we’ll pay for it. The bill reduces the deficit.
You’re just not listening.
@Qingu Sorry…but I am listening and listening good and reducing the deficit has nothing to do with answering the question of what are we getting and how is he expecting all those shiny new promises to get funded!! I have yet to see what these new insurance policies will cover…who or how he expects to pay for all these new insured people and most of all how he will expect to pay for doubling the size of Medicare recipients.
WTH Q!! He is asking us to sign off and agree to “buy” a new insurance program when there are no details what so ever that tells me what I am getting and what it will cost me!! I don’t know about you but at least now I can call up my broker and shop minimum 20 different policies and I can decide what is best for me and my family AND know before I decide what it will cost!
Reducing the deficit does diddly for my bottom line. My insurance went up $2,600 at renewal and the line on the street is this new Obama care will cost me even more….why?? Because BO has no clue how to pay for this other than to stick us for this pipe dream of his. Nope Q I am listening and I hear the sound of you snoring while you dream.
Sigh.
@Cruiser, you said:
I have yet to see what these new insurance policies will cover
What new insurance policies are you talking about.
who or how he expects to pay for all these new insured people
People who cannot afford insurance will receive subsidies. Those subsidies will be funded with a combination of taxes on the wealthy, high-cost insurance plans (though this gets delayed), and various cost savings that the bill engenders.
most of all how he will expect to pay for doubling the size of Medicare recipients.
Can you explain what this has to do with the health bill?
He is asking us to sign off and agree to “buy” a new insurance program
No, he is not. There is absolutely nothing like this in any of the bills.
I don’t know about you but at least now I can call up my broker and shop minimum 20 different policies and I can decide what is best for me and my family AND know before I decide what it will cost!
Great. Every bill on the table lets you do this, and makes it easier for you to do this with the advent of insurance exchanges.
Reducing the deficit does diddly for my bottom line.
Okay. Every CBO analysis says that the bills will bring insurance costs down. Not as much as I’d like (a public option would help) but they will decrease across the board.
My insurance went up $2,600 at renewal and the line on the street is this new Obama care will cost me even more….why??
Because you’re literally making this up out of thin air?
I mean seriously, @Cruiser. There must be some part of you that realizes you are, as they say, bearing false witness. It isn’t particularly hard to educate yourself as to the content of these bills. Perhaps you should do that before criticizing them… for things that aren’t in them.
….do you like it, or no?
NO!
@PacificRimjob, why do you think it’s socialist garbage?
What exactly is “socialist” about it?
@Qingu
Seems to me (and by me I mean me personally)
The health care thing has been tried by every Democratic (Liberal) office holder since FDR.
Since it has (Obama) taken so many forms and that until recently the liberals have held the majority, and they can’t agree I think it’s time to pull the plug. It’s obvious to me that with all of the dissension this should not happen. Let’s HOPE that it doesn’t…
@boffin
Do you have health insurance?
@boffin, so, you don’t like the plan… because it’s been tried before? And not everyone is going to vote for it?
I guess that sort of counts as a “reason.” In quotation marks.
Do you actually know anything about the bill that you say you don’t like?
…@Qingu
The Plan? The Bill? Is it health care, is it insurance, health care reform, or insurance reform? Each week this goes on it changes. Neither side is comfortable with it. Now Nancy says to her own people, “get it done even if it hurts”. This sounds or to me feels like the current administration is trying to buy future party votes.
@boffin, again: if you don’t know what the health care reform bill actually is, why do you even feel qualified to have an opinion on it? Do you know anything about it, apart from “some people don’t like it”?
Your basis of not liking it is that some other people don’t like it. Do you understand why this may not be the most rational reason to dislike something?
@Qingu Okay one more time answering this (and my last)...I find any Govt. (I’ll use) agenda that has as much controversy as this Plan or Bill (heck you don’t even know what to call it, I refer you to your response questions) something is not right. That’s where I am coming from. If some one was pressuring you into a decision that was going to last a long time, let’s say buying a house. The house looks okay, it needs some work but that is all cosmetic. The price is a bit more than you can afford, but heck it’s a real nice house. The Realtor wants you to buy it because sales are down and he/she needs the commission. You don’t like some of terms of the deal like paying all of the closing costs, but heck you can write them off on your taxes. The interest rate is a point or two steep because you missed a car payment a while back when you were on vacation. Plus you are almost maxed out on one of your credit cards. But you figure you can re-finance in a year after the credit glitch is fixed. You really need to do this, make a decision because your apartment is going condo and you have to be out by the end of next month. Your Parents want you to get a house because they feel that apartment living is a waste of money. They are pushing you. You need to move because of the condo, another push.
Not so much fun is it. So what are you going to do? Buy because it will make your parents happy. Or get another apartment, keep renting till you solve your credit problems. Then go looking for another house to buy.
Asking me…“Do you understand why this may not be the most rational reason to dislike something?” I never used the word “dislike”, I stated that with all of the party discord there might be reason to scrap the plan or bill. “Rational” is wanting not to have something forced on the people by legislators that can’t agree on what to enact.
@boffin
Or you can conclude the great difficulty in passing such sweeping legislation means that the deliberation process of checks and balances is doing its job and eventually bills are passed in Congress that have true consensus.
@Qingu – People using the word ‘socialist’ in this context are poorly educated brainwashed (right-wing?) Republicans who can’t tell the difference between Marx and Lenin and Stalin and modern democracies establishing social justice. And here’s the irony: they all supposedly believe in Jesus Christ who said:
“I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
The saying was a response to a young rich man who had asked Jesus what he needed to do in order to inherit eternal life. Jesus replied that he should keep the commandments, to which the man stated he had done. Jesus responded, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
Socialist garbage? If Republicans want to go to heaven they have to give up their evil and immoral fight against health insurance for the poor.
@mattbrowne
But wait, Jesus went to the temple to talk to all the folks making money in the sanctuary and then he overturned their….oh ya never mind
“give and it shall be given unto you, if a man would take your hat give him your cloak as well, this is my body given for you take and eat, render unto Caesar (taxes) that which is Caesar’s”...he seems pretty damn liberal in his generosity if you ask me.
As per the Jesus with the get rich prosperity message, he must have been a later version…maybe Jesus 2.0.
I think there’s nothing wrong with getting rich, but there’s something wrong with greed and exorbitance. People who earn more should be proud of being able to pay more taxes. I am. We all who can afford this should be proud that some of our money can be used to offer health insurance to poor people in our countries. This has nothing to do with socialism. Nobody wants to take away the land or factory you own. Nobody wants to create equal pay laws for fast food cashiers and neurosurgeons. But high incomes and property entails obligations. There’s still plenty left to enjoy a good life. In fact sharing we people in need greatly reduces the risk to suffer from depression. Sharing we people in need increases happiness.
Bent over and ready to have it rammed up my ass.
^ makes sense with a name like PacificRimjob..enjoy
@mattbrowne Actually, “salvation is by grace, through faith, not by works. The rich man bit illustrates a number of points, including the “no man can serve two masters and that we cannot be good enough to earn our way into Heaven (that part is just south of the verse that you referenced).
The Kingdom of Heaven is not Heaven itself, nor salvation; descriptions may be found here.
A lot of people take issue with the way that their money is being spent for them; it’s one thing to give away your wealth, and another entirely for the government to stroll in, decide that you have more than you need, and take it from you.
@SeventhSense The Temple rampage was for turning the Temple into a “den of thieves; these merchants and money-changers (who arguably shouldn’t even have been there in the first place) were the contemporary equivalent of people who buy tickets to a game long in advance and then re-sell them at phenomenal prices.
Prosperity doctrine is one of the more modern heresies based loosely on such verses as “Ask and you shall received,” (which was not necessarily referring to things material).
@Nullo
A lot of people take issue with the way that their money is being spent for them; it’s one thing to give away your wealth, and another entirely for the government to stroll in, decide that you have more than you need, and take it from you.
You mean like the apostles of Jesus?
Acts 2:44–45
44 Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, 45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.
It’s a tough job but someone’s gotta do it.
@SeventhSense
The verse (further illustrated between 4:32 and 5:10) illustrates my point. The apostles and other congregants gave freely; it was not taken, and as we see in the story of Ananias and Sapphira, was not otherwise required.
@Nullo
So maybe you can willingly give to those less fortunate by supporting your government.
@SeventhSense
Trouble there is that I don’t exactly trust my government to spend it wisely, and they’re not helping their image any. There are too many levels of ravenous bureaucrats involved, who support too many causes that I oppose (I do not want my money to go to funding abortions, tyvm). The Early Church, on the other hand, had minimal bureaucracy and the best oversight committee evar.
We still have churches and charities; I feel that my hard-earned money would do more good through those channels.
Health insurance is a human right in developed countries. Encouraging people to depend on charity when they get sick is a humiliation.
Not trusting our democratically elected governments in general is a self-defeating form of paranoia. Pointing to a few black sheep we find in any profession is a lame excuse. Try to live in Zimbabwe for a few years and you will want your bureaucracy back.
Are the medical professionals standing behind Obama during his presentation human shields?
@PacificRimjob, you demonstrably don’t know a thing about this bill… why do you think anyone cares what you have to say about it?
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