is a Christian that eats meat not a true christian?

no.
before the great sin there was no death. so yes, adam and eve were vegetarians. but, after the sin death was brought into the world. then after the flood, G-d gave man dominion over all animals.
so, we have the right to kill and eat animals.
i mean.. jesus ate and fed people fish lol.
still, that gives us no right (to me) to raise these animals in factory farms and pump them full of hormones.

Well said.

mmmm, hormones.

Jesus , vegetarian? Oy Vey! The very thought.

I believe the translation is lost. It’s meant to mean murder. To that extent, animal slaughter wasn’t and still isnt considered murder.

that makes sense dibuu

so killing a living being isn’t murder?
many people may not consider animal slaughter murder, but it is, and there’s no argument against that.
animals are sentient beings!!
however, we have been given power over them.

murder is used almost exclusively for humans. dont kid yourself, something must die in order for you to live

how am i kidding myself?
i was just making the point that killing an animal is murdering an animal.
i even said “however, we have been given power over them.”

“something must die in order for you to live”...

Forgive me for straddling the fence yet again, but humans can survive healthily on fruits, nuts, vegetables, and other legumes…

but squirbel, of course someone’s going to bring in the argument that these things are living…
even if they don’t believe in it. [:

LOL. So true.

The difference between flora and fauna is sentience. Plain and simple.

Yes exactly. Everything you can eat was once alive (or in some cases still is). Science shows us something new every day. Is it so hard to believe that plant life might be sentient? Not to say I believe that, but the point us clear. Yes, you kill things to live. Does it matter how much or how little understanding of its surroundings it has?

all right, good point.
now i’ll consider eating a dog, i mean. . . it’s the same as a plant, it’s just more aware of it’s surroundings. (fiffie next door always looked so plump and tasty..)

In the case of my neighbors dog, the celery I just ate had more of a sense of its surroundings then that dog does.

Your preference of food is your choice and I will support your right to have that choice.

indeed.

consider eating a dog. they are eaten by many people every day. its a cultural thing much like eating frog or beef

i know this… but it is not really “accepted” here in america. just trying to make my point as well.

I’d eat a dog, I hate dogs, I couldn’t eat a cat though

I get what you were trying to do. Your argument is that killing an animal for food is murder. Its not the definition of murder but ok, you believe it. Good for you. The same argument could be made about eating vegetables. Does that make you a murderer? You murdered living organisms for food. One might have eyes and one may have blood, but isnt it simply a different way to organize living cells?

murder: “kill intentionally and with premeditation”

but yes, the same argument definitely could be made about vegetables, i agree.
but you took this whole thread in a complete different direction.

the question, which was answered way “up there”. . .

God first commanded people to eat only plants. However, after the flood, God allowed the eating of meat:
Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. “But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. (Genesis 9:3–4)
Later, laws were instituted that declared certain meats to be “clean” and others to be “unclean.” The system provided a means of proving one’s obedience to God and had some health benefits. After Jesus Christ came, God declared all meats to be clean.
Current slaughterhouse practices comply with the dictate to remove the blood, so virtually all meat today is acceptable to eat according to God.
God was the one who instituted the sacrificial system for the forgiveness of sin. The blood of the Passover lamb was symbol chosen to cleanse from sin and to cause the Lord to pass over the first-borns. The New Testament calls Jesus Christ the Lamb of God, a clear symbol of the sacrificial system set up by God.
One major premise of Christianity is that we are free from the Old Testament ceremonial laws, since Christ is the fulfillment of symbols they represent. Paul addresses the question directly in the book of Romans:
One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. (Romans 14:5–6)
Therefore, the Christian is free to eat or not eat meat according to his own conscience. However, all eating should be done giving thanks to God.

said perfectly.

All I have to say is “Rise, Peter; Kill and Eat.” (Acts 10:10–15)

to kill an animal is not considered murder , in the old testiment it was custome to kill animals as a sacrifice, It is also stated that Jesus provided lambs and fish for food.

shorty, where in the bible does it say, “After Jesus Christ came, God declared all meats to be clean.” I’m just wondering. I’m not a biblical expert or anything.

I think we should remember not to take the bible so literally, for example it does say an eye for eye and we no longer hang murderers.!

Jesus said “Not that which goes into the man defiles the man, but that which proceeds out, for out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks”
Dietary indulgences or restrictions have no bearing on one’s spirituality, the condition of one’s spirit has bearing on one’s spirituality. The fact that our spiritual condition is less than satisfactory is the reason why the Cross was necessary to begin with.
Besides, I LUUUUUUV RIB EYE!! yum, yum!

Yes a Christian that eats meat is still a true Christian. First off as Christians we are under grace and the law of love and not the Old Testament law. Second if the Ten Commandments were to have forbidden the eating of meat, then why would later parts of the OT law have gone on to spell out which animals the Hebrews were allowed to eat and other animals that were off limits for food. Not to mention the other command that they were to drain the blood out of the meat before eating it.