Why do women love guys like these?

It’s love. Sigh….

She likes a challenge, a guy who is too easy is no challenge. (Plus you can bet that at least one of her Girl friends also fancies him. Women are incredibly competitive.)

I have a hard time not finding fault with the women that stay with these guys.
People can say what they like about manipulative men and domineering attitudes, but there’s times in that woman’s most private moments where she thinks about leaving and then she decides to say “no, I’m ok with how things are right now.” It’s absolutely a problem that the woman needs help with but the fact that it’s difficult to do shouldn’t prevent it from happening.

Some women need to find a rotten guy they can help change into a good guy. It is a kind of sickness, undoubtedly codependent, and leads to all kinds of misery for all involved.

It’s the mommy in her. She wants to help him. Every girl loves a challenge (some are just confident enough to ignore this want or know when to give it up) just like guys love the “chase.” He’s broken and I can bet she wants nothing more than to fix him. That’s the best explanation I can give. Girls are crazy bitches. I can admit right now that it’s exciting (for me) to be with a guy you know could take you down. Not that he does or wants to or anything like that, but there’s that small possibility and it brings a level of excitement.

Who knows? Everyone has his or her own neuroses and issues. Maybe Maggie likes Juan because, in spite of all his faults, he never refers to women as “mud ducks.”

Cause girls have this “thing” where they believe they can change their crappy boyfriends into better a boyfriend through love?

Do you know what her childhood was like? Often, a women is treated like this by an older man as a child (father, etc)

Juan obviously doesn’t give a f**k about anything. That is an alpha trait (except he is using it into extreme measures). Alphas always dominate over the beta male.
Women align with those males who they find is the most dominant, in this case, it’s Juan.
It’s no ones fault really, she may be attracted to the “bad guy” type. She will soon realize that it’s better to align with a male who can provide her with sensitivity and protection. For some, it takes many mistakes to learn this.

Most women who chose guys like that have been taught from an early age that they are worth less than others, they should be ‘lucky’ to have anyone give them the time of day and their ‘place’ is to serve everyone’s needs before their own.

Same goes for most men in this situation.

If you were to trace back their family tree you would see a long lineage of emotional unhealthiness. It’s like a generational snake.

Because all women are, or are in the process of becoming, emotionally unstable if not downright whacko. Seriously.

And the nice, stable guys sit at home.
Think of it like a disease gene getting passed down from generation to generation. If she was treated that way as a child she expects it now and will pass that expectation down to her children. Women have long term control of this situation.
If women don’t mate with bad boys eventually they will get better or die out.

it could be as simple as the fact that they have children together and she wants her kids to have a relationship wither their father… or like everyone else said, she crazy.

Tooth from friction, tact from action. She’s got low self esteem.

Some women have been treated like dirt since childhood, unless they meet up with a man who treats them with loving respect, they are likely to think that they don’t deserve any better.

@dpworkin -That’s exactly it.

It is a genetic thing. Women want a caveman.

In caveman days all that mattered was a good strong hunter. Someone that can protect (his) cave and tribe. Their mental disposition was not an issue. “He is crazy, but he can hunt, lets make him the chief!”

It does not work that way today. Well sort of.

Because she has low self esteem and doesn’t think she can do anybody. So she doesn’t even try. End.

Is the guy called Juan Kerr? :-)

women love bad people (straight or gay). Does this also make women bad people? Do “smart” women make, smart choices? It never fails, I guess this is how Eve got her scarlet “A” :P

If I had a man that ran around on me behind my back and I found out his butt would feel pain trust me. A hot sexy intelligent woman like me wouldn’t put up with that for one damn minute.

“A hot sexy intelligent woman like me…” Don’t forget confident. ;-)

Sounds to me she has a low opinion of herself.

There are lots of women who DON’T like “bad guys”. They frequently get ignored by the guys who complain that women only want bad guys. Maybe these girls are “bad girls” and you guys are attracted to “bad girls”.

Many guys who complain about girls like this want to put it all of the woman and never stop to ask “Why am I attracted to these particular shallow women and ignore “nice” available women who actually would go out with me?”

@keobooks *_” Many guys who complain about girls like this want to put it all of the woman and never stop to ask “Why am I attracted to these particular shallow women and ignore “nice” available women who actually would go out with me?” By the time you invest you discover you don’t get any play because you are not some Taylor Lautner lookalike. He could be Gay and that question is still up in the air and they would still try to line up to the “that gal” that set him straight. Out of the est 20% (IMO) gals that are not “shallow” many of them are already taken. Unless they are on eHarmony with a profile that says “only Zack Efron types with buff bodies need apply” you try to give them the benefit of the doubt out the gate.

Wow, only 20% of women are not shallow, according to you. Gee, I hope I’m one of the “lucky” ones. But oops. I’m “taken”. Shame on me. Of course, if you’re going after women who find Zack Effron attractive, then I’m FAR too old for you.

I still say this—- knowing or unknowingly—you’re chasing down women that deep down you KNOW aren’t interested in you. And you’d rather blame them than yourself.

You can’t unknowingly chase a woman or man who is not interested in you unless you were on a dating site and it was posted, my powers of clairvoyance is not that good. If I could do that I would know when I was going to have an accident or be stopped by the cops and wouldn’t need to purchase insurance until right before it happened.

Zack Efron, (insert name of tabloid hunk), (insert name of tabloid hunk), or (insert name of tabloid hunk) no matter what age they are from my experience that is they type of guys (appearance wise) who women gravitate to even if they act like complete douches and assholes.

I seek women that are the whole package, I have passed on gals who might have given Jessica Alba, Eve Mendez, Halle Berry types a run for the money but they could not boil water even with instructions, fight their way from a wet paper bag with a sharp ice pick or had so much drugs in their veins they would make Ozzy look like a nerd who never touched NightQuil. Pretty is in the eye of the beholder but beauty comes from the soul.

@Hypocrisy_Central Wow. I guess you have women 100% figured out. Your bad luck in that field has absolutely nothing to do with your attitude about women at all. Sorry bout that.

I thought really my age and experience might throw some light on your dilema, but I guess it can’t. I’m just a shallow woman after all. Probably one with bad eyesight, since my husband is pretty average looking. And probably some sort of chromosonal freak since my husband is actually a nice guy—I can’t REALLY be a woman. Or I could be lying. Since I’m a woman—I’m probably lying and my husband is likely an evil asshole who looks like Adonis.

Whelp.. If I were you, I’d just throw in the towel. Give up. You have no hope whatsoever and it’s not your fault. Game over. I’d say thanks for trying, but… I AM a woman and all.. so I’m too shallow and self centered for that nonsense.

@keobooks ”If I were you, I’d just throw in the towel. Give up. You have no hope whatsoever and it’s not your fault. Game over.” No….I just kept looking to I found a good one to get engaged to. If you are in that percentile that wasn’t hung up on the “Hollywood Hunk” type I applaud you, and I am sure your husband does more. Only the women of America can decide if he is a “hunk worthy” or not. If they scream after him like Tom Cruz or (insert Hollywood hunk here) etc, then I guess he is. However none of that really matter because you think he is hunky part of the reason why you are with him and that trumps anything else.

” I guess you have women 100% figured out.” I just know what I have encountered here in the West more than not, women from the South, back east and certainly overseas have quite a different criteria for choosing mates. I am sure that doesn’t include 100% of all women I am just waiting to see vast changes. It is like having 35 5yr olds and a huge plate of cookies next to a plate of Brussels sprouts I don’t have to be a child psychologist to know which plate will have the most 5yr old hands going into it.

” I AM a woman and all.. so I’m too shallow and self centered for that nonsense.” It would be nonsense to believe you were shallow and self-centered you described your husband as regular looking so you can’t be shallow. I could not even think that of you unless you dumped him for (insert Hollywood Hunk here) just he considered as handsome in spite of how well he treats you. And that is not the case so you were a little off the mark there, but it is OK, it is what you had on your mind.

There are alot of factors that go into why a woman…any woman…might be dating a “bad boy”. First of all in the words of Mae West…“bad is better”....at least sometimes it is. If my memory serves me right (its been a long time) bad boys get around and all that experience sometimes leads to impeccable skills of seduction and f*in. These fellas can charm the knickers off the Mona Lisa not to mention the Statue of Liberty. And in my opinion biological chemistry does play a significant part of this dynamic. When a guy looks similar to family of origin or you, has facial symmetry, AND his immunological system is difference his pheromones make your downtown bells go DINGDINGDING!. You mix that with good seduction and bedroom skills and you got yourself a pretty heavy duty cocktail of endomorphic opiates and neurotransmitters like oxytocin. Women bind to their sexual partners under these conditions. They don’t care what a sh*t he is some of the time so long as intermittently he showers them with love and attention. Which leads to my next point….intermittent reward systems….they are the most powerful reward systems for motivating repeat behavior that you can use. Talk about keeping someone hooked!!!!
And then there is a third point. In my educated opinion there is a “universal sperm donor”. I think there are some men with a universal pheromone that makes them especially appealing to a broader range of women. These men unconsciously catch on to this early in life and they exploit it to their sexual benefits. It’s like the girl who is exploitative and good looking and wraps every idiot around her finger by flipping her hair and giggling and implying she will have sex with him “sometime” in the next decade. How many of you have fallen for THAT one?
And then of course there is all that repeating of family of origin drama that goes on. You know how that goes….Daddy divorces mommy and abandons you and forever more you are attracted to men you have to jump through hoops for trying to get their attention and approval.
But of course this post begs the question. Why in H E double hockey sticks are you so consumed with women who obviously aren’t wanting to be available to you? My guess is that you are focusing you attentions in rather fruitless ways and are in need of a dating coach and a wing women who knows what the heck she is doing. Have you ever noticed how many times that Patty, “Millionaire Matchmaker” has got to kick some fella in the pants for continually picking the bimbos that are too young, too stupid, or too shallow for him? You need to put your picker (holding hands now in prayer like formation at the dickess level) on hold. NO, Don’t hold it….put it away altogether and start checking in with the brain cells upstairs first. Granted, women who have a bit going on for them are usually scooped right up but there are a few still running around loose out there. They are the ones that bore very quickly at the accusation that there is something wrong with them for making like Mae West and bedding down a few bad boys while living life to it’s fullest.