Can God make an object so massive that he can't move it?
So if God is omnipotent that means he can do whatever he wants. If he wanted to create an object so massive that he couldn’t move it by a significant amount even if he wanted to, would he be able to? Are there fundamental limits on omnipotence—or is the entire notion of limits on omnipotence a logical absurdity?
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The question might be relevant if there was a god, but since every known phenomenon has some sort of limit, however large, the question itself is a logical absurdity.
This question has been around for decades.
Setting aside the issue of G_d, the question is about omnipotence.
The term implies power without any limits. That means the root question involves circular logic and need not be answered.
I don’t belive that God can create objects….so no
@Dr_Lawrence “the root question involves circular logic and need not be answered” Exactly…need not and cannot
No, he calls Chuck Norris to move it instead.
I’m so sorry everyone, but I had to go there ^_^
@XOIIO : O snap, no you di-int!!
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“So if God is omnipotent…”
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that God is omnipotent.
Yes. Just playing devil’s advocate here…. :)
Is it possible that God has limits?
@Captain_Fantasy : Only that he has to ask Chuck Norris before messing around with his Universe.
0 for 2, I know, I know, I’m terrible.
no…..maybe god does not wish to move it.
I can make an object that I can’t move… so no
@Captain_Fantasy I suspect that we live in a universe of infinite possibility and that god will always exceed, confound and completely blow us out of the water when it comes to our defining what he, she or it or whatever is. I could never believe in a God that it was possible for the human mind to define and/or describe. A God should be so much bigger and more complicated and more extraordinary and whatever long list of superlatives I or any one of us could come up with to define “God,” I could never believe in a God that could be described and defined by anything as limited as the human mind. And even the, it certainly is possible that if there is a god, that that god has limits, of some kind.
@AstroChuck: who said anything about the Bible? That’s just one little version of God – well, okay, ninety versions in one library. But there are other records, in case records prove anything.
@FireMadeFlesh ,,,,To quote you “If There was a God”
So I guess you are God since you know for a fact there is no God,, that makes you by default an all knowing omnipotent being !
You cannot prove to anyone there is a God as much as you can disprove it,,You can only attest to your believes !!
@Pretty_Lilly He was god, and he knows there is no god, because he quit, and nothing can replace god.
@Pretty_Lilly Knowing a fact does not make a person omniscient (which I think you meant rather than omnipotent). I know that the classical ideas of a god cannot be true, but I do not know who the 5th king of Denmark was.
@Dr_Lawrence “This question has been around for decades” yes it’s an old one, but it hasn’t been asked here before. The answers have been fun/interesting thus far, no?
“That means the root question involves circular logic and need not be answered.”
I don’t think you can just dismiss the question outright simply because it involves a logical paradox.
The question is about whether omnipotence is possible even in our imagination, I mean it seems impossible to imagine how this could resolve itself even in an imaginary universe.
Check this out: Omnipotence Paradox
There are several rather… clever… answers to this philosophical thought experiment.
Well, he does move the earth. Can’t get a much bigger object than a planet.
@Theby
mass of earth = 5973.6 * 10^21kg’s
mass of jupiter = 1898600 * 10^21kg’s (roughly 318 times bigger than the Earth)
mass of Sun = 1989100000 * 10^21kg’s (roughly 332,982 times bigger than the Earth)
Peony Nebula Star is thought to be 175 times bigger than the Sun which is more than the mass of 58 million Earths put together…
Trust me, you can get a LOT bigger than a planet.
Can Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that even he cannot eat it?
No, if God exists, and I believe he does, he can, because he’s responsible for the natural laws. The object he’s moving is actually the whole universe employing dark energy driving the 10^50 kg something apart. That’s pretty heavy.
Weelllllll…..no and yes, but with yes yes and no, combined with no over easy and yes on ice, shaken not stirred, yes and no. And now the actual thing I have in mind. If souls have mass, then that is the one mass that is unmovable. Souls are eternal.
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