So they passed health care now what ?

I’m going to wait until something happens with it before wacthing CNN…I hope the States don’t come to an end; Canada is a huge trading partner

I am just going to buy a freaking newspaper, talk about it and go on with my daily grind of life

I don’t think that’s possible anymore. As I write, illegal messicans are having gay abortions on my doorstep! Welfare queens are driving their newly purchased Cadillacs up and down the street, playing that loud rap music. And BIG GOVERNMENT is running Medicare.

It’s a grim new world. Very grim. Last week was so entirely different.

@jaytkay Not what I was trying to get at, but okay.

I am happy for you Americans! Wohooo!

Yours

/the Swedish and socialist chap

What I am sure will be most great about this thread is a bunch of smart ass remarks and lack of any good answers.

Kinda reinforces my own point I think. Actually, then, thank you.

I didn’t realize you had a point. Seriously.

What now? We go move on and go forward like we always have, like we always do. The people who have perhaps been expecting miracles will be disappointed and the people who have feared that this will bring the devil to their door will be disappointed too.

@jaytkay I did not know you had one either. We seem to be in the same boat we should help one another.

@lillycoyote And people will still blindly talk on and on and do nothing about it…

and then they wonder how these “people” in government and what not can get away with it so to speak. Well I can’t imagine why either than….

“are you actually going to do something about it?”
“get away with it”

What is “it”?

So, what do you recommend?

The online magazine Salon has a nice summary of what is covered in the health bill. Note that the article was written before the vote on Sunday.
10 things to know about the health care bill

@Dr_Dredd I don’t know that is why I am asking this type of question, like I said what good is knowledge if not put to use eh?

@Mr_A Sure, but since you are so adamant about people “doing something”, I thought you might have some ideas.

@Dr_Dredd Talking mostly about the people who said this is good or this bad and then tell me why…Well ok then if I agree with you or disagree then what? I have heard people make very valid, and good arguments and ideals.

What are you going to do with that one part of the health care bill you did not like?

Just tell me and vent? What good is that?

It bothers me personally a bit to see people put so much effort into “venting” or just talking out the mouth and well we are still at square one.

Specially these people have like I said many very fair points, I’d like to see them put to use or something if you get what am I saying here?

What are we supposed to do? Go chase Nancy Pelosi with a pitchfork? Find the executives of the insurance companies and demand they stop overcharging for their premiums? Hold a Senator hostage? Take off a leather glove and whack Obama in the face, thus challenging him to a duel? I mean, what?

TPTB stopped paying attention to protests and marches and letters and outrage by the people by the mid-80s. Notice that even the Tea Party’s being ignored? They are, you know, for all the attention they’re getting and the lapdogging by certain elements of the media. The White House, the Congress, the Supreme Court; they know by whom their bread’s being buttered and it isn’t the middle and working classes or the poor. But they sure know how to scare and manipulate the middle and working classes about, “OMG, the poor, they’re taking from you!” when it’s a lie and the only people doing the taking are the rich.

If we did the only thing that would get them to pay attention, we’d all be mowed down like so much hay.

And deep down, we know this. We also know that 20 years later, should we have some sort of “national disturbance”, it would be a case of “Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss.” That’s why we haven’t “done anything”.

US health care costs are double that of normal countries because so much of the spending is on insurance and over-priced drugs. A non-profit option, like Medicare for anybody who buys in is necessary to bring down costs. I have contacted my Senators and Congressman asking their support.

I also call and thank them when they vote in my interests.

I have worked in finance in the public sector. Employee health insurance was a chronic problem for us, with costs ratcheting up every year, and benefits dwindling. Except for our Canadian division, where we didn’t have the headache.

And I have worked for a national chain of non-profit clinics. The company is healthy, and treats thousands of people a day, in rather nice facilities.

Americans are growing up a bit. We may become a First World country soon!

Now we will enjoy the limited benefits of this bill, the people who demonized it will be unembarrassed but proven wrong, and then we can begin to amend it to strengthen it. Soon it will be an untouchable “third rail” like Medicaid and Social Security, because people will rely on it and will be angry if anyone suggests taking it from them.

Here’s what’s now:

WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR OF ENACTMENT

* Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted.

* Insurers will be barred from excluding children for coverage because of pre-existing conditions.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62L2CT20100322

Rant all you want about socialism. This was the right thing to do. And oh, yeah – please read those two bullet points again, then read them again. Then tell me how any Republican is going to be able to run against that.

Well at least someone is trying.Gotta start somwhere.

I don’t think the republicans or the breakaway democrats were concerned with the two points Rex has indicated. I think there is more, much more, in this bill we don’t know about and they made the judgment that the whole was worse than the good. I don’t know, having not had the bill read to me and not speaking legalese. I have an attorney friend that I will ask to interpet the bill for me.

If you truly believe that, then why buy a newspaper. Why be informed about anything and live in a bubble. Believe it or not. Public opinion counts. I agree that corporations have many people in high places in their pocket. But at the same time they know if they piss off to many voters than thats it for their career. Corporations may get them into office but we decide if they stay or go. Thats why they spend tons of money to misinform us. However they can’t stop us from talking among ourselves and letting the facts be spoken.

@IchtheosaurusRex It will have to be left to be seen how this will all play out because one teeny tiny little detail has been left out of this whole process and that is what this all will cost us and how it will get paid for!! I still shake my head that Obama’s own actuary hasn’t even looked at this bill and has admitted it will be expensive.

Take my own example…My company provided health insurance for family of four costs over $11,000/yr. Ouch! That’s pretty high! Why?? because one employee’s son has had over a Million dollars worth of brain surgeries and we as a group are now paying for those costs. Now consider the impact having his insurance coverage in our group plan…I can get equal or better individual BCBS insurance for ½ the cost of our company plan!! Oh btw this family would qualify as one of these pre-existing conditions qualifications that are now going to be covered by Obamas bill and now y’all will get to help me pay for his insurance!

Now what? We’ll see how many Republicans actually honor the idea of freedom and democratic values. Freedom of a majority of representatives elected by the people to pass laws and bills they think are in the best interest of the country. These Republican voters don’t have to like the bill, but they have to accept it.

I think this was the right thing to do.

re: one teeny tiny little detail has been left out of this whole process and that is what this all will cost us and how it will get paid for!!

”On Saturday, the Congressional Budget Office released its complete cost estimate for the health/revenue/education legislative package that the House is expected to vote on later today.

The good news: The combined package would reduce the deficit by slightly more over the next ten years ($143 billion) than previously estimated ($138 billion). And nothing has changed about the projected increase in insurance coverage. CBO still expects that the legislation would increase the number of people with health coverage by 32 million in 2019.”

re: I can get equal or better individual BCBS insurance for ½ the cost of our company plan!!
So why do you keep the company plan?

re: one employee’s son has had over a Million dollars worth of brain surgeries and we as a group are now paying for those costs
Ummm, you know that’s how insurance works, right? Do you want health insurance which doesn’t cover surgery?

Now…............let the lawsuits begin. 38 states have lawsuits ready to be presented to the clerk of the Federal Government, to be filed for a hearing date. the will of the people would not be honored on the lawn of the capital, so i guess the next step is the Supreme Court. and, its on its way. lawsuit city.

It’s amazing how stupid 38 State governments can be.

38 states have lawsuits ready to be presented

Do you have a link explaining this?

@Mr_A I think you are asking – what’s the point of debating in general about public policy.

I too ask this question. Many people read and read, and debate over their office water dispenser – but to what avail? Republicans will disagree with Democrats and vice versa, but to what result? None!

I very much agree with you! I’d feel better if at the end of the office debate about how great or not great a policy is or our president is – that we would DO SOMETHING. Send a letter to Congress, speak to our House Rep – but nope… we just debate, and at the end of it – go back to our computer to work.

What a waste huh?

This is why I don’t partake in these debates. They are pointless. But you should still buy that newspaper ;).

@jaytkay Since when has the CBO been accurate on any estimate?? You just can’t seem to grasp the misleading and misrepresentation that is taking place here. Obama’s very own Actuary who is supposed to be advising him had this to say about the Senate bill…

Foster and his staff analyzed the Senate-passed bill and determined that it bent the cost curve up, estimating in a January 8 report that national health expenditures would increase by an estimated total of $222 billion, and that the additional demand for health services “could be difficult to meet” and “could lead to price increases, cost-shifting, and/or changes in providers’ willingness to treat patients with low-reimbursement health coverage.” Foster, in his letter today, expects the new health spending bill to be “generally similar.”

I keep my company policy because the company pays for it DUH!

And for the record I am not against health care reform in fact I have been screaming for it for years now. I just feel strongly about choice…my choice not some flunky government bureaucrat. The entire insurance industry didn’t need an overhaul just reforming choice bits and pieces would have been fine. Obama has taken over the auto industry, Freddy Mac and Fannie May, a good chunk of the banking industry and now we have just given him control of 1/6 more of our GDP. Welcome to the United Socialist States of America comrade.

Yeah, Republicans tell you the CBO is always wrong. Until they run into something they like, then it’s gospel. Or they lie about it. Conservatives Celebrate Embarrassing CBO Analysis Of GOP Health Care Bill

Nothing unusual, you can’t support GOP policies with honesty and facts.

PS
You get to keep your insurance under the current plan. Your choices are expanded.

What i dont understand is if you dont have health ins. its probably because you cant afford it. so how are they going to make it the law that you have to have it or get fined? If i cant afford the insurance how will i afford the fine?

—@slick44, I guessing that it will come out of your return tax money. People who fall under a certain income bracket are refunded all or most of their taxes. I assume if they don’t have insurance than they simply wouldn’t get a refund or a lesser amount. I read in an article that the amount for now would be somewhere between 95 to 98 dollars but they did not specify if it was monthly, yearly or what? As for those on welfare, probably nothing will change. We go on supporting them for all their needs as usual.

@Pandora ..thank you i guess maybe that could be right. I just wondered, they dont make things very clear. I just couldnt understand how somone who cant afford to pay for ins.is going to be made to pay for it, and then be punished if they cant. idk

Was the word indigent included to translate into illegal immigrants and their need for healthcare coverage? think about it.

@john65pennington – OH NO! ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! There is ample language in the bill that prohibits them from getting coverage through the exchanges. Spit out the tea and do some research.