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How feasible is airborne version of AIDS?

Asked by Dan_DeColumna (2435points) April 3rd, 2010

There are articles on the topic here and here.

“The World Health Organization has issued a dire warning to health care officials, warning of the very real possibility that Swine Flu could mutate with the HIV virus into an air-borne version of AIDS.” -From the first source listed above.

I would very much appreciate anyone taking a gander at those articles before answering.

Also, assuming this threat did materialize, what would be the worldwide social and political consequences of a large majority of the world contracting HIV/AIDS?

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dpworkin's avatar

Long ago proved to be nonsense. HIV doesn’t operate in that fashion.

cazzie's avatar

I thought you wrote how feeble is airborne AIDS. (as in the idea…) I was going to reply, VERY. Viruses are more complicated than that. Anyone who reads the proper article from Reuters and jumps to the conclusions in the second article is a scaremongering hack. Stop reading Right Wing rubbish and calm down.

The variances in AIDS (and there are a few now…) are still only sexual contact and blood transferred.

DarkScribe's avatar

@cazzie are still only sexual contact and blood transferred.

Sure. But why is it that when a Police or Medical worker gets sneezed on by someone known to have aids they are given tests every few week for several months? How do people who have never had sex with an aids carrier, who have not had a blood transfusion and who do not do any for of drugs get aids? Strangely although a microscopic amount of blood remaining on a polished stainless steel needle can transfer aids it is claimed that the quite large droplet of blood that a mosquito contains can’t transfer aids if you happen to squash it.

Don’t you believe all the reassurances about how hard it is to acquire aids. The Government line on that is about as reliable as anything else that they need to suppress. I have several Doctors in my family who have repeatedly dealt with aids patients who fit no “accepted” profile for initial contact.

cazzie's avatar

Aids isn’t airborne. I failed to mention puke, bile, snot, saliva….. sorry.

DarkScribe's avatar

@cazzie __Aids isn’t airborne. I failed to mention puke, bile, snot, saliva….. sorry._

Airbourne means transmitted in air. That includes mist, spray, vapour any form of droplet. Sneezes, coughs, etc., qualify.

cazzie's avatar

Well, best you stay out of Walmart and public hospitals anywhere large crowd gather.

ucme's avatar

Not going to happen particularly if you fly with virgin airlines,I mean that would make it impossible would it not?

Kayak8's avatar

1. The articles are each written in a manner that is confusing. It would seem the primary point is that someone with a weakened immune system (such as found in a person with HIV disease) would be MORE likely to experience a serious case of H1N1 (should he/she be exposed to the latter). We see more serious cases of TB in some individuals with HIV disease. This is NOT to say that the bacterium that causes TB was somehow mixed with HIV (a virus). Similarly, an airborne virus is typically not going to mix with a blood-borne virus.

2. Bacteria, protozoa, and fungi are all celled-organisms meaning they are capable of independent reproduction. A virus has to have a host cell to reproduce (and to be transmitted) Each virus has certain cells it likes to have as a host (e.g., a virus that likes liver cells would not thrive in brain cells). HIV’s host cell is a certain type of white blood cell which is why only body fluids that contain white blood cells can transmit HIV.

3. When someone with HIV has 200 or fewer of this type of white blood cells OR they have one of a specific list of diseases that are indicative of immune system weakness, they are diagnosed with AIDS. HIV and AIDS are not interchangeable terms. The HIV disease spectrum has three distinct parts of which the third is referred to as AIDS.

4. In those localities where people are motivated by fear and not by science, it is entirely possible that law enforcement and others who have been in the vicinity of the sneeze of a person with HIV would seek HIV testing. There is no rational reason for them to be tested.

5. The reason people (who might have a REAL exposure) get tested multiple times (over weeks/months) is two-fold. The first reason is because the test used most commonly tests for the presence of antibodies which the body develops in response to the virus. This takes a little time to happen. Secondly, most jurisdictions that worry about reasonable workplace exposure (needle-stick, etc.) do a baseline test and then another test at 3 months. This reduces the employer’s risk against someone who was already HIV positive claiming that they became infected through an experience on their job. There is no medical reason for police et al to continue ongoing testing following a blood exposure and no reason for them to be tested at all in the event of a sneeze.

6. The amount of blood in a hollow bore needle can be substantial particularly when compared to amount carried by a mosquito. For infection to occur the needle must actually pierce several layers of skin (not just blood on the surface of the skin as when you smash a mosquito).

7. I have worked in HIV for more than 20 years and have never had a case for which the origin of the individual having the virus couldn’t be discerned after asking a few specific questions. In some cases, because people continue to be ignorant about how HIV is transmitted, people will make up fantastic stories about “virgin” transmission rather than admit extramarital affairs, gay liaisons, etc.

8. A worldwide H1N1 epidemic could be very serious in the absence of HIV.

cazzie's avatar

Oh, folks, I was being sarcastic to DarkScribe in my last post. Anyone who believes that HIV can be caught through airborne transmission can’t be convinced in any small paragraph I may write. He should know that people lie. He watches House.
@Kayak8… thanks for taking the time to write all that. I wonder if anyone who believes that ‘Right(wing) News’ will accept scientific fact over silly scare scaremongering.

DarkScribe's avatar

@cazzie Anyone who believes that HIV can be caught through airborne transmission can’t be convinced in any small paragraph

Anyone who is sure that it can’t has a mind closed to logical thought and rejects fact and reason. (Maybe I should get some gullibility pills prescribed so that I can understand them.)

cazzie's avatar

‘Yeah, I try to keep my mind closed enough so my brains don’t fall out.’ – House, episode… something….

Dan_DeColumna's avatar

Well, now that @Kayak8 pretty much shot my premise full of holes, can we toss out reason and plausibility and speculate on the social and political consequences assuming there was a worldwide outbreak of airborne HIV? You know, just for kicks and giggles. Hollywood understands it is fun to imagine the end of the world as we know it; why do you think they destroy Manhattan so often? Regardless, I think the psychological impact of hundreds of millions of people knowing they will die from HIV because they don’t have access to proper medical care would be profound. People who know that they and their family and friends will soon be dead have very little to lose. Have fun with this. :-P

cazzie's avatar

Well, I’m safe. I live in a country with proper healthcare.

Kayak8's avatar

@Dan_DeColumna I am too mired in what I know to be true about HIV. Couldn’t we just imagine a worldwide epidemic of something airborne that knocks out people’s immune systems (and works faster in the body than HIV) for which we don’t currently have effective medications (unlike HIV)?

Dan_DeColumna's avatar

You may now consider all of the fun officially sucked out of this topic.

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