would the world be better off without christains

The world would better off if I didn’t know you were a Christian.

And listen.. Don’t play the victim. You guys are the majority. Stop acting like the world is out to get you.

why

Why what?

Religion is a personal thing. I don’t need to know about yours and you don’t need to know about mine.

I’m sorry but I’m not ashamed of what I beleive I’m not going to bash other beleives but I’m not going to hide what I beleive either

Great, just don’t bible-thump. And don’t harasses members of the opposite sex either via PM.

I don’t think it matters what you believe. Religion to me isnt something that helps me choose the people I talk to. Everyone is entitled to believe what they want.

is the only reason you dont like me is I’m a christain and I have pmed both sexes I’m not here looking for a girlfriend

Ahh, the victim card. I hate you because you are a hypocritical asshole. That is about it. And I hate that you get creep out young women here via PM’s.

I dont creep out women on pm’s and how am I hypocritical

Yes you do. Or they are telling fibs. Listen really closely. You have made a few female members of this site really uncomfortable with your comments sent buy PM. Fucking stop it. And I have e-mailed the moderators and Andrew is looking into it.. But I will give you shit until you go away.

I want go away I have do nothing and I will send a email about your attacks on me to

I’m glad you want to go away.. Problem solved.

no I will be here a long time

Well, we have turned Fluther into a shithole this eve? Lets drop the hate for a bit and talk about kittens.

I dont want to be in a pissing contest with you anyway I dont drink beer anymore I would lose haha

@ oneye36 That’s enough! You should have asked if Fluther would be better off without trolls (such as yourself) and the answer would be a resounding YES!!!

Why are you trying to bait people into an argument?

@oneeye: passive aggressive ain’t impressive.

Lions gotta eat, too!

(dodge) (parry) (dodge)
Umm..I’m going to very carefully respond to the actual question. Throughout the years many people have Criticized organized religion in general, and there are many who believe that without religion we would all be better off.

Wikipedia has a page on the Criticism of Religion. I don’t think it’s anything most of us didn’t know already, but it does reaffirm some of my beliefs about the inherent evils of organized religion.

@Noon – hey, organized religion is an interesting term. Still, I think organized religion, too, can be a Good Thing, at least on a small scale. For example, going to church on Sundays is the highlight of the week for some elderly people, because they are part of the small, local community. There’s not that much influence from the Vatican or something…

No, they would be replaced by some other religion. I’m Christian, but I try not wedge my spirituality into a conversation. Just like I don’t go to a bar expecting a girl to give me her number – opportunity must present itself.

‘hey baby what’s your psalm?’

@vincentt
But church is not required for the elderly to come together. Would it not be better to have people come together in a neutral place every Sunday. Not a place where certain people are excluded? Or worse yet, welcome but with the intention of conversion?

the bible says come as you are

@oneye36
what if I said that America had 9/11 coming (blowback)? and not only did the Christrian not turn the other cheek, but instead allowed themselves to be blinded into going to war. Not even against a nation, but an idea (terrorism). My home church takes collection money and feeds kids living in the Guatemala city dumps (a war on poverty). Perhaps a distinction between Christians should be made….

I’m trying to go be a missionary in guatemala and we did not attack them

ahem

not sure who carries the burden of proof in this case. however, ‘we did not attack them’ isn’t an argument against ‘blowback’

@oneeye

Unfortunate what the bible says and what most Christians do, are two completly different things. And don’t worry I can quote the bible with the best of them (exaggerating a bit, but 14 years of catholic school did expose me to said book)

Do you honestly think anyone can walk into a church “as they are” without the church thinking “what they can become”. Excluding maybe unitarians.

does anyone else feel like the 5 observing members feels like the, “eye of Mordor?” or vultures circling? or worse, moderators ready to pounce! LOLz

The world would be better off without holier-than-thou people attempting to emotionally manipulate others into first pity, then solidarity.

Any correlation this has with the religious beliefs of the holier-than-thou manipulators is entirely coincidental.

The only legitimacy the bible has is that of a historical text, and as that, it has a measure of accuracy. The rest is superstitious nonsense.

(I’m on the next comet out of here!)

I agree with cwilbur.

@cwilbur

so no problem with, ‘holier than thou’ just, ‘holier than thou manipulation’?

@VoodooLogic: holier than thou is annoying as well, but if they want to go off and be holier than thou by themselves, they’re welcome to.

I know I’m not perfect thats why I’m a christain

@oneye

It’s spelled Christian.

Kinda speaks for itself!

thank God your not my judge

@oneye

If I was, you’d be in Guatemala!

that is where I want to be look it up house of hope in zacapa

@Noon – I don’t think that would be better or worse, it just doesn’t happen. Or if it does, it’s complementary to church.

Also, the church I went to now and then did not try to “convert” its visitors. It was mainly just hearing whatever the priest (if that’s the correct English word) had to say, and listening to the songs sung. You either like it or not, but that’s the case with everything.

Heck, there could even be people singing in the choir that weren’t religious at all :)

“would the world be better off without christains?”

what about jwes? musmils? athesits? buddhsits? christain scientists? jehoovah’s witnsesses? mornoms? jwes for jessus? southern bapstits? episcoplains? catholikcs? the amshih? menoonites? quackers?

and let’s not forget the chruch of scientogoly.

ooh, and kalabbah.

I thought since there has recently been so much bible quoting in fluther recently, I thought I would quote a book that I’ve found many pearls of wisdom:

“To arrive at a cultural turning point where you decide that all human conduct can be classified in one of two categories, good and evil, is what creates all sin—plus anxiety, hatred, guilt, depression, all the peculiarly human emotions. And, of course, such a classification is the very antithesis of creativity. To the creative mind there is no right or wrong. Every action is an experiment, and every experiment yields its fruit in knowledge. To the moralist, every action can be judged as right or wrong—and, mind you, in advance—without knowing what its consequences are going to be—depending upon the mental disposition of the actor.”—The Eye in the Pyramid

I would say that the majority of religions out there do just this. They work so hard to define what is right and wrong, and have no patience or respect for the gray.

@Noon – that quote scares me. To name something, a murder would be “an experiment”?

@Vinventt
And how many murder’s have been committed in the name of god, and no one has learned from that. Every action yields of a fruit of knowledge. That requires thought and analysis, not a blind belief in what you are doing is wrong or right.

In all honesty I think to label a murder an “experiment” is far safer (still not nice but safer) than calling it, a “cleansing”, “holy war”, or better yet “a war on terror”. Those are the things that scare me. People committing awful acts in the name of god, and justifying them as good.

I’m not saying that atrocities would not be committed without religion, but I think it would be far easier for people to raise their hands and say “this experiment isn’t working” than to raise their hands and have to say “I’m going against our god”.

Those things scare me too, but labelling murder as ‘bad’ sounds a lot safer to me.

And I think people saying they act in the name of God could just as well say they’re just performing an experiment and then conclude that it was a success. Some people are just mad.